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[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Guys, we are all in agreement that it was Blood Magic supplemented by a cursed tome given to Emo Che by Tevinter Agents.

No, although I do agree that the damn thing was freaking magical. I thought the red lightning shooting out of the building made that blatantly obvious.

There's no arguement it was magical. it just there is now way for the magic to come from Ander's.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
 non-mages can make a bomb like that

Agreed.  At least, not without lyrium.  (Red or blue).

What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

And why could he not? He was in a symbiotic relationship with a living Fade battery.

[Veruin]

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

[General TSAR]

I agree with the blood letting aspect of the ritual for the bomb, but how much blood do you think he used? Or did he also have vials of Tevinter Mage blood too? That might be an interesting theory.

[leaguer of one]

durasteel wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
And my point is that it was not powered by Ander's Magic.

It could have been triggered by a glyph, or incorporated magic into the design in any number of ways. I don't see anything to suggest that it did, but I'm saying we don't--and can't--know for sure one way or the other based on the info we have.

That can only be used to ignite, not power. For magical Items it normally is powered by  a material in the item or a mages channeling it directly to the items. There's no glyph's the channel power from that far distance.

[Anvos]

General TSAR wrote...

Oh come now, you can't believe that Anders wasn't studying the dark arts when creating the block buster or that he wasn't a proxy for Tevinter.

Used by Tevintar maybe, but an agent for Tevintar unlikely. 

Also just cause it uses advanced magister theories doesn't mean its a dark art, tevintar magic and magic theory even in current Thedas is just plain more advanced than the other nations.

Modifié par Anvos, 23 février 2014 - 03:34 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

[AresKeith]

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Hell, the explosive even looked like a spell was involved to make that bomb

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

1. Point to one spell that enhances the effect of magic or one bit of lore that states it does.
2. Ander's knows where and how the templars are smggling Lyrium. How easy would it for him to kill some lyrium smugglers and take it from them.

3. The gallows is just the end destination of lyrium. It still has to go to throught the chanrty for the lyrium to be recored and shipped.

[Hellion Rex]

General TSAR wrote...

I agree with the blood letting aspect of the ritual for the bomb, but how much blood do you think he used? Or did he also have vials of Tevinter Mage blood too? That might be an interesting theory.

I think you guys might be stretching this thing a tad too far.

[durasteel]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

Bloody good point, that is.

[durasteel]

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

I agree with the blood letting aspect of the ritual for the bomb, but how much blood do you think he used? Or did he also have vials of Tevinter Mage blood too? That might be an interesting theory.

I think you guys might be stretching this thing a tad too far.

Obvious troll is not obvious to everyone, I suppose.

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Hell, the explosive even looked like a spell was involved to make that bomb

You do know in dragon age they can make bomb with any effect based on the matrials the bomb made of.

[Br3admax]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? 

Yes, especially since it is used by the Templars there, and for the Harrowing.

Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too

Which is the Circle

and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

Still the Circle. You're just making things up. 

[General TSAR]

Anvos wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Oh come now, you can't believe that Anders wasn't studying the dark arts when creating the block buster or that he wasn't a proxy for Tevinter.

Used by Tevintar maybe, but an agent for Tevintar unlikely. 

Also just cause it uses advanced magister theories doesn't mean its a dark art, tevintar magic and magic theory even in current Thedas is just plain more advanced than the other nations.

I'm speaking as a Templar Fanboy. 

Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks that Anders could have been used by Tevinter,  do you also think he was in contact with Tevinter agents or think his resistance movement was actually just another tevinter proxy? 

eluvianix wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

I agree with the blood letting aspect of the ritual for the bomb, but how much blood do you think he used? Or did he also have vials of Tevinter Mage blood too? That might be an interesting theory.

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I think you guys might be stretching this thing a tad too far.

Tell that to Anders, I'm simply exploring the possiblity of Tevinter links with Che's little club and block party.  
 

Modifié par General TSAR, 23 février 2014 - 03:42 .

[Veruin]

leaguer of one wrote...
1. Point to one spell that enhances the effect of magic or one bit of lore that states it does.
2. Ander's knows where and how the templars are smggling Lyrium. How easy would it for him to kill some lyrium smugglers and take it from them.

3. The gallows is just the end destination of lyrium. It still has to go to throught the chanrty for the lyrium to be recored and shipped.

1. Spell Might.
2.  How do you know that?
3.  LDS got me on that.  

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
 non-mages can make a bomb like that

Agreed.  At least, not without lyrium.  (Red or blue).

What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

And why could he not? He was in a symbiotic relationship with a living Fade battery.

... That he has no way to store that magical energy to be point in an item to be used later.  It matter not how much power Ander's can generate, he's just a channel of the power. He can't store it anywere. No mage can. That's my point.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
1. Point to one spell that enhances the effect of magic or one bit of lore that states it does.
2. Ander's knows where and how the templars are smggling Lyrium. How easy would it for him to kill some lyrium smugglers and take it from them.

3. The gallows is just the end destination of lyrium. It still has to go to throught the chanrty for the lyrium to be recored and shipped.

1. Spell Might.
2.  How do you know that?
3.  LDS got me on that.  

1. Spell might increases the ammount of power the mages can channel not effects of the spell.2. Act 2 where he nearly killed an escaped mage in one of the tunnels Templars have lyrium smuggled through.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
 non-mages can make a bomb like that

Agreed.  At least, not without lyrium.  (Red or blue).

What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

And why could he not? He was in a symbiotic relationship with a living Fade battery.

... That he has no way to store that magical energy to be point in an item to be used later.  It matter not how much power Ander's can generate, he's just a channel of the power. He can't store it anywere. No mage can. That's my point.

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!
That alone is an example of storing power within an object.

Modifié par eluvianix, 23 février 2014 - 03:45 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

durasteel wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

Bloody good point, that is.

Hooray! I contributed! 

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!

You're drunk Eluvian.  Enchantments are just a figment of your imagination.  They don't exist.

[leaguer of one]

Br3ad wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? 

Yes, especially since it is used by the Templars there, and for the Harrowing.

Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too

Which is the Circle

and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

Still the Circle. You're just making things up. 

His point is that the chantry has to limit it to control them. Giving most of all of it o them mean they less able to control.

[General TSAR]

Guys do you think the blood of a Tevinter Archon is extremely unstable and powerful?

[Veruin]

General TSAR wrote...

Guys do you think the blood of a Tevinter Archon is extremely unstable and powerful?

Power of blood magic depends on how much suffering and whatnot as used to obtain it.  Not who's blood it is.  Probably why they can't simply use animals for blood rituals since they don't have the higher functions of people.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!

You're drunk Eluvian.  Enchantments are just a figment of your imagination.  They don't exist.

I'm not drunk. I'm irritated.