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[Anvos]

General TSAR wrote...

Anvos wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Oh come now, you can't believe that Anders wasn't studying the dark arts when creating the block buster or that he wasn't a proxy for Tevinter.

Used by Tevintar maybe, but an agent for Tevintar unlikely. 

Also just cause it uses advanced magister theories doesn't mean its a dark art, tevintar magic and magic theory even in current Thedas is just plain more advanced than the other nations.

I'm speaking as a Templar Fanboy. 

Good to see I'm not the only one who thinks that Anders could have been used by Tevinter,  do you also think he was in contact with Tevinter agents or think his resistance movement was actually just another tevinter proxy? 

If anything I'd say more like Tevintar agents whose previous task was to watch the qunari take notice of Anders while their in Kirkwall and before they leave ensure the right information gets in the hands of a destabilizing possessed mage to allow his want for a forced confrontation to come true.

However I am of the point that beyond triggering it remotely with magic the Chantry Buster was of magical alchemical make and not fueled by Anders/Vengence.

Modifié par Anvos, 23 février 2014 - 03:51 .

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
 non-mages can make a bomb like that

Agreed.  At least, not without lyrium.  (Red or blue).

What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

And why could he not? He was in a symbiotic relationship with a living Fade battery.

... That he has no way to store that magical energy to be point in an item to be used later.  It matter not how much power Ander's can generate, he's just a channel of the power. He can't store it anywere. No mage can. That's my point.

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!
That alone is an example of storing power within an object.

Dude. Enchantion take the use of lyium. Any power from that is not from the mage but the lyrium used. Even dwarves can do that.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Guys do you think the blood of a Tevinter Archon is extremely unstable and powerful?

Power of blood magic depends on how much suffering and whatnot as used to obtain it.  Not who's blood it is.  Probably why they can't simply use animals for blood rituals since they don't have the higher functions of people.

Well, I would think that blood magic empowered by dragon's blood would probably be much more powerful and explosive than a plain human.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!

You're drunk Eluvian.  Enchantments are just a figment of your imagination.  They don't exist.

As I said before, Enchantment use lyrium for power. Not the power of mages. Mages can only channel their power through Enchantment, no store power in them. And Dwarves can do that ,too.

[General TSAR]

Yeah I get that, but bad guy land is a Mageocracy, only the most powerful Blood Mages lead it and maybe through countless rituals and practice sessions their blood has retained a greater magical quality to it, far exceeding that of any First Enchanter.

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Hell, the explosive even looked like a spell was involved to make that bomb

You do know in dragon age they can make bomb with any effect based on the matrials the bomb made of.

Not the size of what Anders did

[Veruin]

If this can be done by normal people,why is this the first of its kind?

[General TSAR]

Anvos wrote...

If anything I'd say more like Tevintar agents whose previous task was to watch the qunari take notice of Anders while their in Kirkwall and before they leave ensure the right information gets in the hands of a destabilizing possessed mage to allow his want for a forced confrontation to come true.

Ahh indirect action that leaves no evidence behind, well played bad guy land, well played

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Hell, the explosive even looked like a spell was involved to make that bomb

You do know in dragon age they can make bomb with any effect based on the matrials the bomb made of.

Not the size of what Anders did

With lyrium and the right matrials you can. Ander's really has no way to power it with his own magic. There is no way for mages to have their power  stored in items.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!

You're drunk Eluvian.  Enchantments are just a figment of your imagination.  They don't exist.

As I said before, Enchantment use lyrium for power. Not the power of mages. Mages can only channel their power through Enchantment, no store power in them. And Dwarves can do that ,too.

What about amulets and other such enchanted jewelry? Or fire/frost enchanted swords and arrows? That is the storing of power to benefit others.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

If this can be done by normal people,why is this the first of its kind?

Because normal people don't have access to teventor records. They need the knowledge of it to even try to do it. And it's clearly not the first time used, just the first time it was show in the series the player sees it.

[Veruin]

leaguer of one wrote...
Because normal people don't have access to teventor records. They need the knowledge of it to even try to do it. And it's clearly not the first time used, just the first time it was show in the series the player sees it.

If it's clearly been used before, show me the proof.  Stop pulling "facts" out of your arse.

[AresKeith]

So Anders really is a Tevinter agent 

Modifié par AresKeith, 23 février 2014 - 04:01 .

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MAGES CAN ENCHANT STUFF TOO!!!!!

You're drunk Eluvian.  Enchantments are just a figment of your imagination.  They don't exist.

As I said before, Enchantment use lyrium for power. Not the power of mages. Mages can only channel their power through Enchantment, no store power in them. And Dwarves can do that ,too.

What about amulets and other such enchanted jewelry? Or fire/frost enchanted swords and arrows? That is the storing of power to benefit others.

Again, Lyrium. All powerd by lyrium it the item.
http://dragonage.wik...Use_and_effects

Even the enhancments in weapons are made with lyrium in it.

[durasteel]

leaguer of one wrote...
... There is no way for mages to have their power  stored in items.

I hate to have to do this to you, but...

In Legacy, you have a Warden prison that is completely full of traps and locks which are items powered by ancient magic spells. 

Sorry.

[Br3admax]

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? 

Yes, especially since it is used by the Templars there, and for the Harrowing.

Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too

Which is the Circle

and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

Still the Circle. You're just making things up. 

His point is that the chantry has to limit it to control them. Giving most of all of it o them mean they less able to control.

This implies that the Chantry does not control it within the Circle, and given the presence of priests during the Circle part of DA:O, this is clearly not true. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Br3ad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
What says lyruim was not  used to power the bomb. Remeber they do house lyrium at main chantries. Added, Ander's has no way to power or enhance the bomb with his own powers.

I don't recall them holding lyrium at the chantry.  Wouldn't they store it at the gallows?  For that matter, where dod Anders even GET the lyrium?  I can't imagine him having much money to smuggle some.

Also provide proof that mages can't enhance it with their powers.

Would you store lyrium in the same building as mages who can use it to amplify their powers and have shown a want of escape? 

Yes, especially since it is used by the Templars there, and for the Harrowing.

Or the same building that is guarded by people you feed it too

Which is the Circle

and just so happen serves as a leash to keep the Templars under control?

Still the Circle. You're just making things up. 

His point is that the chantry has to limit it to control them. Giving most of all of it o them mean they less able to control.

This implies that the Chantry does not control it within the Circle, and given the presence of priests during the Circle part of DA:O, this is clearly not true. 

The Circle has some of it, just not most of it. If they need more thana monthly ration for example, they would go to the Chantry for it.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Because normal people don't have access to teventor records. They need the knowledge of it to even try to do it. And it's clearly not the first time used, just the first time it was show in the series the player sees it.

If it's clearly been used before, show me the proof.  Stop pulling "facts" out of your arse.

The fact that Ander's says formula originates from Tevintor is proof enough.  It's not like southern Thedus has detail records of everything form northern Thedus.

[Br3admax]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The Circle has some of it, just not most of it. If they need more thana monthly ration for example, they would go to the Chantry for it.

So in otherwords, you're just making things up. You don't actually know, you're just making up things to explain how Anders blew up the Chantry. 

[leaguer of one]

[quote]Br3ad wrote...


[/quote]This implies that the Chantry does not control it within the Circle, and given the presence of priests during the Circle part of DA:O, this is clearly not true. [/quote] The priest don;t have a phycial way to enforce it themselves. Them being there is not a point being that all the lyrium in housed in the circle.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 23 février 2014 - 04:03 .

[AresKeith]

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Because normal people don't have access to teventor records. They need the knowledge of it to even try to do it. And it's clearly not the first time used, just the first time it was show in the series the player sees it.

If it's clearly been used before, show me the proof.  Stop pulling "facts" out of your arse.

The fact that Ander's says formula originates from Tevintor is proof enough.  It's not like southern Thedus has detail records of everything form northern Thedus.

The fact that it came from Tevinter points more towards spells being involved

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Because normal people don't have access to teventor records. They need the knowledge of it to even try to do it. And it's clearly not the first time used, just the first time it was show in the series the player sees it.

If it's clearly been used before, show me the proof.  Stop pulling "facts" out of your arse.

The fact that Ander's says formula originates from Tevintor is proof enough.  It's not like southern Thedus has detail records of everything form northern Thedus.

The fact that it came from Tevinter points more towards spells being involved

Dude. How does a mage even store power to be used in another time much less to be able to power a bomb?

[Veruin]

leaguer of one wrote...
The fact that Ander's says formula originates from Tevintor is proof enough.  It's not like southern Thedus has detail records of everything form northern Thedus.

I would think everyone else would be aware of "Big ass bomb".  Especially if they waved it over the other nations heads to try and keep them in line.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 I was playing DA2 a few days ago and the line from Blackpowder Promise seems to fit here. 
"Small things. Shaped to crack faults, not shatter the Earth. Plus they're mostly lyrium. Expensive. Poisonous. The Chantry controls it topside. The glow makes you a target. Problem after problem."

Hmm, you don't say...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Br3ad wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The Circle has some of it, just not most of it. If they need more thana monthly ration for example, they would go to the Chantry for it.

So in otherwords, you're just making things up. You don't actually know, you're just making up things to explain how Anders blew up the Chantry. 

I said from the beginning that that was my theory. I wasn't stating it as fact.