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#2001
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Slaves could also be set free by their masters and become slave owners themselves in many cultures where they existed.

 

EDIT: I just realised this is my 666th post...

 

I don't see the relevance for the topic at hand relating to that but alrightie.

 

And true enough; Many former slaves supported the very trade they were once taken into vigorously.

 

Can't blame em.

 

It was a sweet deal for the man on top while it lasted.



#2002
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Oh...Why would people care about that?

 

The Elves aren't people ._.

 

Funny enough, Duncan comments about that perspective among most humans to an elven protagonist. I wonder how they'll react to an elven protagonist, much less one who happens to be a mage (and a heathen).



#2003
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I mean a culture in Thedas. On Earth, cultures with human sacrifice were numerous, especially in ancient times.

Well, the dalish sacrifice children to the Creators, or so said my dalish Warden. Obviously a joke, but it is not far fetched to believe that the elves of Arlathan used blood magic to be able to live longer. That probably would have required some sacrifices. Whether it was so or not, I am quite certain there have been a few cultures in Thedas that practiced blood sacrifices, especially considering there is actual magic there and therefore potential rewards for it that can be appreciated.



#2004
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For surviving? Pretty much no chance of that happening.

I also mentioned serving with renown or at least i thought i did ._. Serving with renown got you noticed back then much as it did today, people tend to like people who are decent at killing within armies hence why they tended to get promoted or get perks reflecting that.

 

And that was how the Knight Teutonic recruited for the most part during the Third Crusade.

 

They took in levee troops in for the most part once they stopped hiring on mercenaries and lordlings.



#2005
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Funny enough, Duncan comments about that perspective among most humans to an elven protagonist. I wonder how they'll react to an elven protagonist, much less one who happens to be a mage (and a heathen).

 

I doubt they would care.

 

The Inquisitor is the Inquisitor.



#2006
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Funny enough, Duncan comments about that perspective among most humans to an elven protagonist. I wonder how they'll react to an elven protagonist, much less one who happens to be a mage (and a heathen).

Racism followed by apologies when they realize who you are.



#2007
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I also mentioned serving with renown or at least i thought i did ._. Serving with renown got you noticed back then much as it did today, people tend to like people who are decent at killing within armies hence why they tended to get promoted or get perks reflecting that.

 

And that was how the Knight Teutonic recruited for the most part during the Third Crusade.

 

They took in levee troops in for the most part once they stopped hiring on mercenaries and lordlings.

 

The exact phrase was "survive and get renown", which could imply a number of different things.



#2008
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The exact phrase was "survive and get renown", which could imply a number of different things.

 

Ah blast me and my horrid understanding of english syntax and grammar x.x

 

Apologies.



#2009
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Merrill tells an aggressive Hawke she won't release Audacity; she wanted to speak to Audacity. Speaking about blood mages, I'd really like to see more representations of blood mages in Inquisition, beyond the typical insane lunatics from Kirkwall that seemed as though they escaped from Arkham Asylum. I think reactivity towards blood magic would be interesting, given the negative view Andrastians hold on the forbidden school of magic. Although the recent news about the specializations makes me suspect that there won't be any reactivity towards a blood mage protagonist, which is unfortunate.

So, she's contemplating the chance of possession from talking to Audacity, or is it another "Tevinter potion"?

 

On the usage of BM in Tevinter - i recall Fenris saying, that its officially forbidden, but "behind the closed doors it's a different matter" (in the Gallows talk). Also he states, that the only reason why Imperium still exists - is the constant supply of slaves from throughout the Thedas.



#2010
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The assumption the Clan even had access to said Lore was what i meant you realize?

I never made that assumption. My post was in response to an assertion that it didn't matter if the clan had the materials, because she would not have been able to access them, and the related assumption that whatever she knew could only have come from the demon--there was no other possible source.

 

You were mistaken with regard to my "assumption."



#2011
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So, she's contemplating the chance of possession from talking to Audacity, or is it another "Tevinter potion"?

 

On the usage of BM in Tevinter - i recall Fenris saying, that its officially forbidden, but "behind the closed doors it's a different matter" (in the Gallows talk). Also he states, that the only reason why Imperium still exists - is the constant supply of slaves from throughout the Thedas.

 

She's preparing for a worst case scenario. She said that she couldn't contact the demon in Kirkwall and all her efforts resulted in silence. 

 

She's afraid the demon is free, but doesn't know for sure. So she's bringing someone well-known for killing abominations as safeguard. 



#2012
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I doubt they would care.

 

The Inquisitor is the Inquisitor.

 

Which is IMHO, cheap as hell.



#2013
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I never made that assumption. My post was in response to an assertion that it didn't matter if the clan had the materials, because she would not have been able to access them, and the related assumption that whatever she knew could only have come from the demon--there was no other possible source.

 

You were mistaken with regard to my "assumption."

 

Mmm My mistake.

 

Still the Demon is the only confirmed in game source she has.

 

That is no assumption.



#2014
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Which is IMHO, cheap as hell.

 

The devs did say that your race will be a huge factor. NPC's won't bat an eye at a human warrior inquisitor, but they said an elf, who is widely considered to be less than human would have some racial challenges, and being a Qunari would be even more complicated.

 

They didn't give any details, but I'm expecting some interesting dialogue choices based on the race we play. 



#2015
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Mmm My mistake.

 

Still the Demon is the only confirmed in game source she has.

 

That is no assumption.

 

Is this about Merrill? David Gaider said she extrapolated information from the shard and looked up elven lore on eluvians and didn't use the demon. She only used him to learn blood magic to cleanse the shard of the taint. That was the only interaction until Act 3. He didn't teach her how to build one nor was she in constant contact.



#2016
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The devs did say that your race will be a huge factor. NPC's won't bat an eye at a human warrior inquisitor, but they said an elf, who is widely considered to be less than human would have some racial challenges, and being a Qunari would be even more complicated.

 

They didn't give any details, but I'm expecting some interesting dialogue choices based on the race we play. 

 

I'm expecting about the same level of that we got in DAO.

 

As in 90% of the time it doesn't matter.



#2017
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Bah. Now I have to get used to everyone's new user pics.

#2018
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Bah. Now I have to get used to everyone's new user pics.

 

I know. Half the time I used their pics to determine who was talking, and when the pics were similar, then I used the name. Ah well, it's all good. ^_^



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Is this about Merrill? David Gaider said she extrapolated information from the shard and looked up elven lore on eluvians and didn't use the demon. She only used him to learn blood magic to cleanse the shard of the taint. That was the only interaction until Act 3. He didn't teach her how to build one nor was she in constant contact.

 

 

This entire off topic subject is filled with contradictions and logic breaking characters.

 

I'm done with discussing it.



#2020
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Bah. Now I have to get used to everyone's new user pics.


Well, at least few (myself included) changed their name.

#2021
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I know. Half the time I used their pics to determine who was talking, and when the pics were similar, then I used the name. Ah well, it's all good. ^_^

Exactly my method.

On topic-ish, one of the things I look forward to finding out is just how reactive NPCs will be to your race/background. If it only ends up being as much as DA:O or ME, I won't be disappointed, because there are only so many man-hours in a day, but if they can enhance it above the minimum, I think it could really add to replayability. Then again, the more customization choices they have the world react to, the harder it gets to maintain a unified world state from game to game.

Well, at least few (myself included) changed their name.


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#2022
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Exactly my method.
On topic-ish, one of the things I look forward to finding out is just how reactive NPCs will be to your race/background. If it only ends up being as much as DA:O or ME, I won't be disappointed, because there are only so many man-hours in a day, but if they can enhance it above the minimum, I think it could really add to replayability. Then again, the more customization choices they have the world react to, the harder it gets to maintain a unified world state from game to game.

Agreed.
They state that the race/class combo will have a bigger relevance in DAI that the former backgrounds system (when they planned only one race), but that doesn't mean much. Their talking about races seemed to suggest a deeper integration to the game than DAO, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

#2023
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I doubt they would care.

 

The Inquisitor is the Inquisitor.

 

I think Andrastians would logically care. If the Inquisitor is non-human and non-Andrastian, than the leader of a growing military group that aims to spread across Thedas (in the wake of the veil tears) is a potential heathen (and possibly a mage if the main character is either Vashoth or Dalish). Wouldn't the religious leaders of the Andrastian Chantry care that a heathen is growing political and military power? Wouldn't one of the templar factions care that a free mage is in a leadership position over non-mages?

 

For them not to care would be a bit silly. The humans of the Andrastian kingdoms will see a Qunari with a Vashoth protagonist (since it's doubtful most of them can tell the difference from appearance alone), or one of the People with a Dalish Inquisitor (who is likely going to be a mage, making the elven character a maleficar for practicing non-Circle sanctioned magic). I think, realistically, they should care.



#2024
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I think Andrastians would logically care. If the Inquisitor is non-human and non-Andrastian, than the leader of a growing military group that aims to spread across Thedas (in the wake of the veil tears) is a potential heathen (and possibly a mage if the main character is either Vashoth or Dalish). Wouldn't the religious leaders of the Andrastian Chantry care that a heathen is growing political and military power? Wouldn't one of the templar factions care that a free mage is in a leadership position over non-mages?

 

For them not to care would be a bit silly. The humans of the Andrastian kingdoms will see a Qunari with a Vashoth protagonist (since it's doubtful most of them can tell the difference from appearance alone), or one of the People with a Dalish Inquisitor (who is likely going to be a mage, making the elven character a maleficar for practicing non-Circle sanctioned magic). I think, realistically, they should care.

Perhaps realistically... but if they cared too much, the story would diverge too much to make even having multiple races manageable, so we should be glad of this. It'll probably be treated similarly to Grey Wardens; they're too necessary to let their race be too much of a hassle.



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I think Andrastians would logically care. If the Inquisitor is non-human and non-Andrastian, than the leader of a growing military group that aims to spread across Thedas (in the wake of the veil tears) is a potential heathen (and possibly a mage if the main character is either Vashoth or Dalish). Wouldn't the religious leaders of the Andrastian Chantry care that a heathen is growing political and military power? Wouldn't one of the templar factions care that a free mage is in a leadership position over non-mages?

 

For them not to care would be a bit silly. The humans of the Andrastian kingdoms will see a Qunari with a Vashoth protagonist (since it's doubtful most of them can tell the difference from appearance alone), or one of the People with a Dalish Inquisitor (who is likely going to be a mage, making the elven character a maleficar for practicing non-Circle sanctioned magic). I think, realistically, they should care.

Well lets see- Demons falling from the sky, general chaos broken out, large portions of leadership in The Chantry, Templar Order, and Mages being wiped out in a disaster of some sort, Open Rebellion in several countries, "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria", in other words people are a little more concerned about staying alive than they are some of their petty racial discords.  Which if you view things historically there are quite a few examples of groups with extreme culture or dogmatic differences banding together for mutual survival.

 

Plus, there is that image that most people believe is the Divine annointing the PC as Inquisitor.

 

So while there will be issues, I don't think that just because someone is Andrastrian, means they are automatically going to be a total non human hating non adrastrian hating piece of trash.  Heck they didn't even kill Sten outright when he murdered people in DAO and he is both non human and a religion that is exremely anti Andrastrian. 

 

Oh yeah, DROP THE FRICKIN MERRIL DEBATE, THE HORSE IS DEAD, DECOMPOSED, REINCARNATED, DEAD AGAIN, AND PROBABLY FOSSILIZED BY NOW!


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