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[leaguer of one]

It's the Pro Mage thing to do *Nods* 

 

Murdering him prevents him from being enslaved by the circle.

Their's no pro mage that would ever say that.

[Master Warder Z_]

Their's no pro mage that would ever say that.

 

Uh....

 

._.

 

 

That one would o-o

[BlueMagitek]

I don't get the part about Howe :S.
Oh, I absolutely agree that the decision can be different based on your character, his background and values. I'm talking based on my own view (which is the one of my canon Warden).

It was a joke. :/

 

Exactly.  My Dalish elf basically killed everything - because they didn't support the Dalish - and my City elf had little tolerance of nobles.  Finding out Alistair was a blue blood was awkward~.

 

 

Repeat that near me again and i will Almighty Push you off a cliff -_-''

What?  You don't believe that the Warden slaughtered so many in Ferelden that it caused depopulation issues?  I'm pretty sure I got the 1000+ achievement.

[leaguer of one]

Uh....

 

._.

 

 

That one would o-o

Technically, that one would make a deal with the demon for more power and allow it to take control of Conner at a later date.

[The Elder King]

Exactly. My Dalish elf basically killed everything - because they didn't support the Dalish - and my City elf had little tolerance of nobles. Finding out Alistair was a blue blood was awkward~.

I can see that . How did you character act after that with him?

What? You don't believe that the Warden slaughtered so many in Ferelden that it caused depopulation issues? I'm pretty sure I got the 1000+ achievement.

Yeah. Though I think (based on Varric's calculation of Anders' death count) that Hawke killed more people.

[Master Warder Z_]

It was a joke. :/

 

Exactly.  My Dalish elf basically killed everything - because they didn't support the Dalish - and my City elf had little tolerance of nobles.  Finding out Alistair was a blue blood was awkward~.

 

 

What?  You don't believe that the Warden slaughtered so many in Ferelden that it caused depopulation issues?  I'm pretty sure I got the 1000+ achievement.

 

As did i but that wasn't what i was speaking of...the end of you're sentence struck a little to close to annoying chord. 

[BlueMagitek]

I can see that . How did you character acted after that with him?

Yeah. Though I think (based on Varric's calculation of Anders' death count) that Hawke killed more people.

 

He was rather irritated, but since Alistair was raised by noble Mabari of all things, it was mostly k.  But it was the redeemer ending, and Alistair was certainly not a king or a drunkard, so there was still some tension there.

 

Yes, but Hawke was killing Free Marshes folk, not real people.

[Master Warder Z_]

Technically, that one would make a deal with the demon for more power and allow it to take control of Conner at a later date.

 

Technicalities don't interest me.

 

Connar ceases to exist therefore he is dead.

 

Therefore it is something a pro mage would say.

[BlueMagitek]

As did i but that wasn't what i was speaking of...the end of you're sentence struck a little to close to annoying chord. 

I know, hence the italics, yosh~

[The Elder King]

He was rather irritated, but since Alistair was raised by noble Mabari of all things, it was mostly k.  But it was the redeemer ending, and Alistair was certainly not a king or a drunkard, so there was still some tension there.
 
Yes, but Hawke was killing Free Marshes folk, not real people.

Understood .

I get you dont like Marchers much .
Hawke technically killed a fair share of Fereldans, though most of them were Marchers, yeah.

[BlueMagitek]

Understood .

I get you dont like Marchers much .
Hawke technically killed a fair share of Fereldans, though most of them were Marchers, yeah.

 

Do you have any idea what trouble those things caused me?  Ugh, Orlais should have conquered them when they had the chance; thanks for nothing, Dales. 

[leaguer of one]

Technicalities don't interest me.

 

Connar ceases to exist therefore he is dead.

 

Therefore it is something a pro mage would say.

Again, no pro mage would say that or do that.

[BlueMagitek]

Again, no pro mage would say that or do that.

You'd be exceptionally surprised.

[Shadow Raziel]

Uneven presentation is mainly because you cannot play as a Templar protagonist, but you can freely play as a powerful Mage, including Blood Mage (and thus naturally sympathize with mages' plight) without any consequences of your actions. Also the dangers of Blood magic and demonic possession weren't presented gravely enough IMHO, for player to understand why mages in DA universe were feared and confined for centuries. Lack of representation of atrocities of Tevinter Imperium, where mages are actually free, doesn't help either.

You make a really good point, and I agree.

[leaguer of one]

You'd be exceptionally surprised.

A mage who killed Conner because they believed he deserved it?

[KainD]

Am I the only one that threatened the demon into teaching me blood magic AND leaving Connor for good, lest I kick her butt into a wisp? 

[wcholcombe]

That does not mean mage turn to abominations just because. Their was a cause an effect. It was ignorance that was the cause not just a demon just coming to him randomly.
This is a point that mages need to be taught, not they they will suddenly turn into abominations.

So your whole contention is that mages are only possessed by demons in times of stress or when they summon demons or when the veil is thin? That mages are completely free of threat of possession if they avoid that?

The whole point of the demons is to seek out mages to possess. Whether in their dreams or other ways. If mages were only in danger when you seem to believe the threat would be a lot less.

[Hellion Rex]

Am I the only one that threatened the demon into teaching me blood magic AND leaving Connor for good, lest I kick her butt into a wisp? 

I pretty much did the same.

[eyezonlyii]

Uneven presentation is mainly because you cannot play as a Templar protagonist, but you can freely play as a powerful Mage, including Blood Mage (and thus naturally sympathize with mages' plight) without any consequences of your actions. Also the dangers of Blood magic and demonic possession weren't presented gravely enough IMHO, for player to understand why mages in DA universe were feared and confined for centuries. Lack of representation of atrocities of Tevinter Imperium, where mages are actually free, doesn't help either.

 

It would have been interesting if in DA:O, just as you can play a Circle mage, you could have played a Circle templar who had to watch a mage go through their Harrowing and fail. Or if in DA2 Aveline was a Templar while Wesley was the ordinary guardsman. Hell, even Hawke or Carver could have been the one to have to put Malcom down after he became an abomination due to unforseen circumstances (maybe Bethany couldn't finish her Harrowing and Malcolm offered himself rather than seeing his baby girl destroyed knowing that his two sons would have to do what needed to be done).

[TK514]

It would have been interesting if in DA:O, just as you can play a Circle mage, you could have played a Circle templar who had to watch a mage go through their Harrowing and fail. Or if in DA2 Aveline was a Templar while Wesley was the ordinary guardsman. Hell, even Hawke or Carver could have been the one to have to put Malcom down after he became an abomination due to unforseen circumstances (maybe Bethany couldn't finish her Harrowing and Malcolm offered himself rather than seeing his baby girl destroyed knowing that his two sons would have to do what needed to be done).

Any and all of those scenarios would have been great.

[Veruin]

A mage who killed Conner because they believed he deserved it?

No, because they believe it saved him from the "tyranny" of the circle.

[Hellion Rex]

No, because they believe it saved him from the "tyranny" of the circle.

What "tyranny?" I don't follow that logic at all.

[Veruin]

What "tyranny?" I don't follow that logic at all.

I don't either.  But given how some of them are.  That's how I'd picture them reasoning it.

[Xilizhra]

So your whole contention is that mages are only possessed by demons in times of stress or when they summon demons or when the veil is thin? That mages are completely free of threat of possession if they avoid that?

The whole point of the demons is to seek out mages to possess. Whether in their dreams or other ways. If mages were only in danger when you seem to believe the threat would be a lot less.

Yes, except moreso, because even stress won't do so alone; it requires a thinned Veil. Or at least, that's the precedent that we've seen throughout the games. It isn't like we saw people spontaneously turning into abominations in DAO outside the Circle tower, where demons were already running wild; that only happened in DA2, in the cursed city and countryside of Kirkwall.

[leaguer of one]

No, because they believe it saved him from the "tyranny" of the circle.

Teaching him right is tyranny?