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Uneven Presentation of the mage-templar conflict


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LobselVith8 wrote...

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This is contradicted by Meredith herself, who says (repeatedly) she's fulfilling the Right of Annulment because a hypothetical mob will demand blood.


That just part of the last straw. 


It's the only argument Meredith continually makes for why the Right was invoked, and it's even used when she tries to persuade Hawke to side with her. The Circle is being condemned to death for the actions of a single man.


The circle would be burned without anders only if elthina wasn't stupid bi*** maybe meredith used that as reason but circle was corrupted so RoA was in place despite meredith reason so we have hero who slain dangerous insane orcs for pancakes but still slain dangerous orcs and thats matter not pancakes... 

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

so we have hero who slain dangerous insane orcs for pancakes but still slain dangerous orcs and thats matter not pancakes... 

And it isn't even Metaphor Monday. What a treat.

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Zazzerka wrote...

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so we have hero who slain dangerous insane orcs for pancakes but still slain dangerous orcs and thats matter not pancakes... 

And it isn't even Metaphor Monday. What a treat.


Well not matter what metaphor you will use always someone won't like something.:whistle:

if you don't like pancakes you can change that on cake or hamburger :devil:

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There is no metaphor that fits the mage/Templar conflict perfectly. So you have a constant back-and-forth of "It's like," "No, it's more like.." blah blah blah...

For the record, I didn't understand your pancake one.

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Zazzerka wrote...

There is no metaphor that fits the mage/Templar conflict perfectly. So you have a constant back-and-forth of "It's like," "No, it's more like.." blah blah blah...

For the record, I didn't understand your pancake one.


It wasn't about mage and templar conflict it was about RoA in kirkwall and reasons behind it... and as i said doesn't matter how ridiculous reason hero have when slaughtering insane and dangerous orcs what matters that s/he is killing them removing danger.

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I know, that was just an observation. It's fun to do, but you'll never get anywhere.

So the mages are orcs, and Meredith and Hawke are heroes?

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Zazzerka wrote...

I know, that was just an observation. It's fun to do, but you'll never get anywhere.

So the mages are orcs, and Meredith and Hawke are heroes?


well in some sense yes but i would say that mages are dangerous that are danger for everyone in society and meredith is someone who slain that danger even if she have ridiculous reasons. 

So point is well lets call that person mercenary will slain dangerous and insane bandits reason why mecenary did it hardly matters because slaining bandits was still sane choice only reasons might be not sane...

Mages in kirkwall were corrupted and insane being danger for society meredith may had ridiculus reasons behind RoA but RoA still was in place as circle was corrupted from top to bottom .

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If I were in charge, I would not make you a Templar.

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Everyone was corrupt and insane in kirkwall, that was part of the requirement for living in kirkwall. Mages were crazy, the templars senior members were losing their minds, half the young recruits thought a templar culling ritual was just something that happens as a templar, the sisters wanted a full scale war against the qunari, the city guards were corrupt before aveline showed up, nobility were spitting out psychologically unstable brats and paying everyone off to pretend they weren't, and let's not forget the big old ancient sites of evil all around the place, be it a evil elf mirror, the worlds oldest darkspawn mage, and a lyrium idol that makes you murderously psychopathic.

Frankly if the Dagon rose out of the sea and ate kirkwall off the map, I'd say it would still be a fitting ending for the setting that was kirkwall.

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Zazzerka wrote...

If I were in charge, I would not make you a Templar.


Why not templars need to be more effective because they didn't had any real control over mages...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:

"Right, well, thank you for your time, Mr Shepard. This concludes your interview. Oh, and don't call us, we'll call you."

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Zazzerka wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:

"Right, well, thank you for your time, Mr Shepard. This concludes your interview. Oh, and don't call us, we'll call you."

pfff i would be perfect templars templars prefer take harsh not soft peoples merdith is one example and lamber second:whistle:

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

If I were in charge, I would not make you a Templar.


Why not templars need to be more effective because they didn't had any real control over mages...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:




I imagine templar literacy and grammar might suffer a hit or two.

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Seeing you with a Misha avatar makes me jealous I can't make a Hanako one. :crying:

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

If I were in charge, I would not make you a Templar.


Why not templars need to be more effective because they didn't had any real control over mages...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:




I imagine templar literacy and grammar might suffer a hit or two.


you don't need that if you are dead :whistle:

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So they'll be illiterate and trigger happy. Wonderful combination that makes.

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:

"Right, well, thank you for your time, Mr Shepard. This concludes your interview. Oh, and don't call us, we'll call you."

pfff i would be perfect templars templars prefer take harsh not soft peoples merdith is one example and lamber second:whistle:

"Oh, don't let them bother. We here in the Red Templar Order would love to have someone with your...mindset."

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

So they'll be illiterate and trigger happy. Wonderful combination that makes.


Well they don't need think philosophically they need shoot to mages if they break rules nothing hard :devil:

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


"Oh, don't let them bother. We here in the Red Templar Order would love to have someone with your...mindset."


He we don't know what red templars are but i would put them as insane mosnsters that attack everything so nope i have different plans:P

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


"Oh, don't let them bother. We here in the Red Templar Order would love to have someone with your...mindset."


He we don't know what red templars are but i would put them as insane mosnsters that attack everything so nope i have different plans:P

"Oh, that's just Chantry propoganda. Those people also think mages are just as much victims as nonmages, wheras we see them as what they truly are: a blight on this world that must be eradicated. You and we are the same, people who set aside morality to do the job that needs doing."

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


"Oh, don't let them bother. We here in the Red Templar Order would love to have someone with your...mindset."


He we don't know what red templars are but i would put them as insane mosnsters that attack everything so nope i have different plans:P

"Oh, that's just Chantry propoganda. Those people also think mages are just as much victims as nonmages, wheras we see them as what they truly are: a blight on this world that must be eradicated. You and we are the same, people who set aside morality to do the job that needs doing."


If that was their mindset i would gladly help them or rather let them help me of course i would kill them anyway after because of red lyrium.:devil:

But as far they show them as crazy ass monsters who attack village and my damn keep without reason if that will be in case i will just send them mages then they can kill each other in ther insanity ;)

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Mages would probably be able to beat this new breed of templar easily. Just jingle something shiny in front of them and they'll all be distracted. They won't be able to read the signs that say "Do no look at shiny objects while on duty" and won't all that hard edumacation to get in the way of shootin stuffs.

I believe they'll call it the show mage.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Mages would probably be able to beat this new breed of templar easily. Just jingle something shiny in front of them and they'll all be distracted. They won't be able to read the signs that say "Do no look at shiny objects while on duty" and won't all that hard edumacation to get in the way of shootin stuffs.

I believe they'll call it the show mage.


:lol:

pfff mages would be abomnations 10 times before they would think about that:devil:

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TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

If I were in charge, I would not make you a Templar.


Why not templars need to be more effective because they didn't had any real control over mages...

if i was KC mages would know what real fear means and they would know what happens if someone will make me angry. :devil:


Lord Seeker Lambert is that you? What are you doing on the internet? Hows Cole doing?

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Lord Seeker Lambert is that you? What are you doing on the internet? Hows Cole doing?


I made sure that abomnation won't walk in thedas anymore and well im just here for relax before mages start cry and will surrender like most of their time then i will punish them properly for damage they done. :devil:

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leaguer of one wrote...

1. It's a given that I'm taking about normal situations.

There are no normal situations with people in the magi situation. Being a magi is itself being outside the norm.

2. That solve easilly...Stop thinging and treating the circle as a closter. That's the main problem with the issues of the circle. How does a closter work if it's imposed. That's no different from a prison.

Actually, it's closer to a quarantine: prisons are where you send people for crimes they have comitted. Quarantines are where you keep people who, through no malice or intent of their own, can inadverdantly kill dozens.

The root of mages turning into abominations isn't the Circle system, and thus solved by its destruction and mage liberation. The root of mages turning into abominations is stress, which drives people to fear losing something or someone, or hate something else, or think their correctness is unrecognized. Life is not stress free, and keeping a cloister where an outbreak is easier to respond and containis why a single mid-tier abomination of a child desperate to save a parent wiped out most of a major settlement before anyone was aware while dozens of abominations of powerful mages were locally contained for some time in a single area.

And being with someone, even in marrage, is not a privalage it's a right.

In a western liberal society founded on principles such as all men being equal and in which people only gain disproportionate power as members of groups. Thedas is not such a society, and does not follow our values or understand our concept of rights. It is, however, a place where strong emotional relationships amongst a certain unequal parties are playing with wildfire and an excellent generator of stress.

But even we, however, have institutions in which marriage privilages are restricted. One such place is called 'the military', where enforced separation is not a question of if but a matter of how long and how far.


And why do normal fock need to have phylacteries if they are married to a mage? The enitre point is to keep track of mages. With that they also don't have to work with chantry.

To track down the mage's family, in case they seek to escape and lay the groundworks for the mage to escape and rejoin them. In analyzing and trying to track persons of interest, the immediate family is generally considered among the first degree of relations, people to whom an escapee will turn to first.

There's also the point of sharing burdens and emphasizing that they, as a family, are all together in this and to keep the mundanes also committed to the Circle. The mundanes of a family, while not mages themselves, are also persons of interest in the health and actions of a mage. Spreading the practice of phylacteries outside of the mages themselves, even if rarely used, can help share and destigmitize the burden on the mages. (For the record, I also apply this to the Templar guards themselves: even aside from some minor practical uses, the point of sharing a burden with the mages has its own merits.)

Working to support the circle would be an option available to them, not necessarily a requirement. There would probably be social pressure inside the Circle to do so, especially if the Circle is responsible for feeding and supplying the spouses and so discourages freeloaders, but the only required points would be the education of rights and restrictions and the regular marriage check-ins. Considering what's at stake if a relationship turned sour (which it very easily could with the outsider having to adjust to the Circle), marriage stability would be a potential threat factor and marriage counseling would be a very important support system.

(For reference, I'm actually basing the counseling/check in off of a variant of the US military's various support system for the spouses of and soldiers on and returning from deployment. I've never seen it brought up, but it's actually a good model to consider for various aspects of dealing with marriage stress.)

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