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[Hanako Ikezawa]

And things like the bolded are why we are in this mess to begin with.

Exactly. 'Crushing the notion of the outside world' has shown to only lead to new problems.

[Master Warder Z_]

It was made such that Alistair was mistaken, he did take lyrium and did so whenever he needed his powers; he just didn't take it regularily.

 

He probably forgot about it due to the Lyrium 

[Master Warder Z_]

Exactly. 'Crushing the notion of the outside world' has shown to only lead to new problems.

 

._. seemed to work well for quite a few centuries.

[Hellion Rex]

No we are here because a few short sided, stupid and egoistical mages stepped beyond their station and in a moment of chaos kicked a barrel that was already leaning because of prior events.

No, we are here because some thrice cursed idiots in charge of the Templars and Seekers screwed up royally, letting abuses run unchecked, leading to those mages rebelling.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Is your country also in the medieval era and ruled by the whim of nobility rather than law?

 

Well we do have superpacs, so technically our entire electoral process is bought and paid for by those with the millions to fund election campaigns. Not that we had a voice anyway given the electoral college has overriding supremacy over the popular vote. We also have a subsection of the government arguing about how we need to adopt religious ideology into our public policy because people are religious. And we have roving bands of criminals who have taken, in all practical terms, sovereign control of at least 3 major cities, with the local government pretty much fleeing for their lives while slashing as much budgets from the cities as possible.

 

So yeah, sorta medieval times with guns and smart phones.
 

[durasteel]

 ...  And then there's giving the entire populace weaponry, which is rarely a good idea in the medieval era.

 

Actually, in England before 1066, every free person (yeoman) was required to maintain a military weapon and know how to use it. They formed the Fyrd, the citizen militia which bolstered the Huscarl heavy infantry and did an excellent job of repelling almost all invading forces until William the Bastard got amazingly lucky.

 

The Anglo Saxons had a phrase that expressed that concept of their society, which translates as "All free men fight, all fighting men are free." The Normans, and their successor Angevins, were the ones who forced the people of England into peasant servitude where they were barred arms and tied to the land on which they lived.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

._. seemed to work well for quite a few centuries.

I wouldn't use the term well, per say. It seemed to work adequately is a better term I think.

[BlueMagitek]

Well we do have superpacs, so technically our entire electoral process is bought and paid for by those with the millions to fund election campaigns. Not that we had a voice anyway given the electoral college has overriding supremacy over the popular vote. We also have a subsection of the government arguing about how we need to adopt religious ideology into our public policy because people are religious. And we have roving bands of criminals who have taken, in all practical terms, sovereign control of at least 3 major cities, with the local government pretty much fleeing for their lives while slashing as much budgets from the cities as possible.

 

So yeah, sorta medieval times with guns and smart phones.
 

So the answer is "no".  Gotcha.

[Master Warder Z_]

No, we are here because some thrice cursed idiots in charge of the Templars and Seekers screwed up royally, letting abuses run unchecked, leading to those mages rebelling.

 

It had nothing to do with putting a head strong moron in as Grand Enchanter eh?

 

A bloody knife ear who'd rather fight a battle she cannot hope to win and take the entire circle down around her in flaming chunks rather then live peacefully in their comfortable position like they have for the prior thousand years? Growing fat and plump off the wealth of the chantry and circle, The mages had a place in society and it was something that while not perfect was the best for both parties.

[eyezonlyii]

It was made such that Alistair was mistaken, he did take lyrium and did so whenever he needed his powers; he just didn't take it regularily.

 

i didn't know that. in that case, then i would suggest making a smaller Circle type setup in every settlement. It would be close enough to families that mages could visit their families, but they would be open enough that outsiders could easily see any suspicious actions by the assigned Templars. Also, I would rotate Templars every few years or so. Hopefully that would cut down on long term corruption.

[BlueMagitek]

Actually, in England before 1066, every free person (yeoman) was required to maintain a military weapon and know how to use it. They formed the Fyrd, the citizen militia which bolstered the Huscarl heavy infantry and did an excellent job of repelling almost all invading forces until William the Bastard got amazingly lucky.

 

The Anglo Saxons had a phrase that expressed that concept of their society, which translates as "All free men fight, all fighting men are free." The Normans, and their successor Angevins, were the ones who forced the people of England into peasant servitude where they were barred arms and tied to the land on which they lived.

England was under constant attacks from vikings, hence Alfred doing his thing in that time period, no?

 

Then there's the entire "sword hunt" concepts. ~_^

[Master Warder Z_]

Actually, in England before 1066, every free person (yeoman) was required to maintain a military weapon and know how to use it. They formed the Fyrd, the citizen militia which bolstered the Huscarl heavy infantry and did an excellent job of repelling almost all invading forces until William the Bastard got amazingly lucky.

 

The Anglo Saxons had a phrase that expressed that concept of their society, which translates as "All free men fight, all fighting men are free." The Normans, and their successor Angevins, were the ones who forced the people of England into peasant servitude where they were barred arms and tied to the land on which they lived.

 

Hastings wasn't luck.

 

But that isn't here or there.

 

The Normans carried the day because there were more of them, they were better trained, better equipped and William actually knew how to fight.

 

Oh and he didn't die like Harold that tends to help

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be honest, we are in this situation due to the faults of all parties. Circle, Templars, Seekers, Chantry. None of these factions can claim total innocence in this.

[Hellion Rex]

To be honest, we are in this situation due to the faults of all parties. Circle, Templars, Seekers, Chantry. None of these factions can claim total innocence in this.

Hush, you!

The Templars can burn!!!! (all except for Cullen)

[Hellion Rex]

It had nothing to do with putting a head strong moron in as Grand Enchanter eh?

 

Drop the racist crap. As for Fiona, if the Templars and Seekers had managed the Circles better, she would have no reason to want to rebel.

[Master Warder Z_]

I wouldn't use the term well, per say. It seemed to work adequately is a better term I think.

 

Really? With the Circle System Thedas accomplished much.

 

It resulted in the defeat of the Qunari, resolved of the Proceeding four blights and the containment of the Imperium to the shell it now is.

 

:/ Why would i not support that system?

[Divine Justinia V]

It had nothing to do with putting a head strong moron in as Grand Enchanter eh?

 

A bloody knife ear who'd rather fight a battle she cannot hope to win and take the entire circle down around her in flaming chunks rather then live peacefully in their comfortable position like they have for the prior thousand years? Growing fat and plump off the wealth of the chantry and circle, The mages had a place in society and it was something that while not perfect was the best for both parties.

Lmao @ "a bloody knife ear"

You seriously can't put this all on Fiona? In fact, I don't even recall her being at the start of the Mage/Templar war.

[Loraella]

It is not really internment by definition though. Mages are armed with magic - they have the means to resist oppression and as we have seen they can. So the comparison falls short in that it was generally allowed and agreed to by the group as a whole until now.

[durasteel]

._. seemed to work well for quite a few centuries.

 

Seems to have started as a cooperation between all parties involved, including the mages, and afforded the mages freedom and protection. Over those centuries you mentioned, the Chantry and the Templars expanded their dogma and control, respectively, until the Circle became the prison environment we saw in the Dragon Age. 

[Iron Fist]

I don't care who is to blame for the Mage-Templar War. Magic is dangerous in the wrong hands. Since we can't be sure which mages are potential enemies, they must all be contained (as humanely and comfortably as possible) and watched. The templars need to watched, as well.

[Hellion Rex]

Lmao @ "a bloody knife ear"

You seriously can't put this all on Fiona? In fact, I don't even recall her being at the start of the Mage/Templar war.

Ummm, she was in Asunder....

[Master Warder Z_]

Drop the racist crap. As for Fiona, if the Templars and Seekers had managed the Circles better, she would have no reason to want to rebel.

 

When the elves prove to be more then just a constant head ache to me in DA give me a holler til then i will treat them as wish.

 

With Disdain, Contempt and viewing them as a walking comedy act at the best of times

 

And is it really racism when said beings aren't actually real? I mean the concept of superior or inferior races really only works on the context that...well the race exists.

 

And Fiona again was just a head strong little girl trying to get back at the world; The Taint probably warped her brain.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Drop the racist crap. As for Fiona, if the Templars and Seekers had managed the Circles better, she would have no reason to want to rebel.

 

Whever he does, I can't take the rest of his post serious anymore.

 

 

You seriously can't put this all on Fiona? In fact, I don't even recall her being at the start of the Mage/Templar war.

No, she was there and a lead voice in the abolishment of the Circles. That said, all she did was have them vote. 

[Master Warder Z_]

To be honest, we are in this situation due to the faults of all parties. Circle, Templars, Seekers, Chantry. None of these factions can claim total innocence in this.

 

I suppose this is true to an extent.

 

Still levy the majority of the blame on the greed, ego and stupidity of mages though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Really? With the Circle System Thedas accomplished much.

 

It resulted in the defeat of the Qunari, resolved of the Proceeding four blights and the containment of the Imperium to the shell it now is.

 

:/ Why would i not support that system?

I really don't give the Circle credit for any of those, since the Qunari was a joint effort with many factions, the Blights were stopped by the Grey Wardens, and the Imperium is still led by mages.