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[ziloe]

Both DA2 and the ME series had their merits and their downfalls, but one thing kind of stuck out, even if only for a brief instance, and that was the lack of acknowledgement for characters who died, beyond a single scene of mourning.

When Duncan died in DA:O, I truly felt empathy for Alistair. It felt appropriate for that healing to take time. But when it came to DA2 or ME1, the significant deaths, like Hawke's mother or Kaiden/Ashley, barely got touched upon beyond a single scene.

That said, I know it might seem like I'm asking a lot, but I know well enough not to expect scene after scene of mourning, due to costs. However, should that happen and we lose a character that was growing on us, at least allow a few dialogue pieces throughout the story where we can at least acknowledge that happenstance, and not have it  disappear into the past, like it meant nothing to the characters within.

((Discuss))

[ghostzodd]

For some reason I thought this was going to be about true blood

[leaguer of one]

Wait.......Hawk's mom death was brought up way more then once. And the person who die on Virmire was brought many times during the series.

With Hawk's Mom we have the time with Gamblin,the meeting with the love interest, the letter to the sibling, the meeting with the sibling during the Qunari uprising, and the public argument with Meredith and Orseno.

[Nimlowyn]

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

[Lorien19]

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Pretty much this,More roleplaying is always better.

[Demx]

Lorien19 wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Pretty much this,More roleplaying is always better.

Quick choose!

1. Fall to the floor bawling and whaling
2. The light in your eyes go dead and you laugh like this is all but a dream.
3. Stoically face the moonlight with a single tear flowing down your cheek.
4. Stand over body and scoff at how useless of a person he/she was in life and how he/she did you a favor by dying.

[Nimlowyn]

Siradix wrote...

Lorien19 wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Pretty much this,More roleplaying is always better.

Quick choose!

1. Fall to the floor bawling and whaling
2. The light in your eyes go dead and you laugh like this is all but a dream.
3. Stoically face the moonlight with a single tear flowing down your cheek.
4. Stand over body and scoff at how useless of a person he/she was in life and how he/she did you a favor by dying.

3. 3!!!

[Lorien19]

Siradix wrote...

Lorien19 wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Pretty much this,More roleplaying is always better.

Quick choose!

1. Fall to the floor bawling and whaling
2. The light in your eyes go dead and you laugh like this is all but a dream.
3. Stoically face the moonlight with a single tear flowing down your cheek.
4. Stand over body and scoff at how useless of a person he/she was in life and how he/she did you a favor by dying.

Can I keep them all for different occasions??

[KaiserShep]

Siradix wrote...
Quick choose!

1. Fall to the floor bawling and whaling
2. The light in your eyes go dead and you laugh like this is all but a dream.
3. Stoically face the moonlight with a single tear flowing down your cheek.
4. Stand over body and scoff at how useless of a person he/she was in life and how he/she did you a favor by dying.

I propose:

[Demx]

Lorien19 wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Lorien19 wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Pretty much this,More roleplaying is always better.

Quick choose!

1. Fall to the floor bawling and whaling
2. The light in your eyes go dead and you laugh like this is all but a dream.
3. Stoically face the moonlight with a single tear flowing down your cheek.
4. Stand over body and scoff at how useless of a person he/she was in life and how he/she did you a favor by dying.

Can I keep them all for different occasions??

Answers may change due to weather and time of day.

[Lorien19]

KaiserShep wrote...

Siradix wrote...
Quick choose!

1. Fall to the floor bawling and whaling
2. The light in your eyes go dead and you laugh like this is all but a dream.
3. Stoically face the moonlight with a single tear flowing down your cheek.
4. Stand over body and scoff at how useless of a person he/she was in life and how he/she did you a favor by dying.

I propose:

There's another decent one,now that we have rain in DAI.

Modifié par Lorien19, 16 février 2014 - 04:22 .

[ziloe]

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ziloe wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

So you want the character to be able to bring up "I miss *insert name here*" several times? Wouldn't that make them come off as a bit whiny?

[ziloe]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

ziloe wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

So you want the character to be able to bring up "I miss *insert name here*" several times? Wouldn't that make them come off as a bit whiny?

People thought the same for Alistair too, but what he was going through was perfectly natural. I'm not saying to have it tons, and tons. But just some more awareness for it would be nice.

[leaguer of one]

ziloe wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

ziloe wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

So you want the character to be able to bring up "I miss *insert name here*" several times? Wouldn't that make them come off as a bit whiny?

People thought the same for Alistair too, but what he was going through was perfectly natural. I'm not saying to have it tons, and tons. But just some more awareness for it would be nice.

That did happen when you meet the living sibling during the qunari uprising.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

ziloe wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

ziloe wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

So you want the character to be able to bring up "I miss *insert name here*" several times? Wouldn't that make them come off as a bit whiny?

People thought the same for Alistair too, but what he was going through was perfectly natural. I'm not saying to have it tons, and tons. But just some more awareness for it would be nice.

Oh, I know that. But having the character automatically do it would make some people not like it. Now if there was a dialogue option to do it, then yeah they should, but not having one in three conversations have the Inquisitor think back on it regardless of imput.

[Nimlowyn]

ziloe wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

I think there is some player agency involved, too. Using your imagination. My diplomatic Hawke is more sarcastic and direct after her mother dies...she goes through a "what is this all for" phase in mourning (that's also how I manage stealing the Dalish tattoo ink for Act 2's Herbalist's Task quest, something she'd never do otherwise lol). I'd always welcome more content, though. I'm interested in how the Inquisitor will interact with companions and other people closer to them...this whole interactive party banter thing I'm hearing about is exciting. 

[ziloe]

ellyanthony wrote...

ziloe wrote...

ellyanthony wrote...

In DA2, I count 4 scenes, one with Gamlen, one with the LI, one with Aveline, and then Meredith brings it up when you intercept her argument with Orsino. There's also banter from certain party members (I remember Fenris and, I think, Anders).

I guess it can be argued that those scenes were more about those character's responses to the event than Hawke's. Maybe you're wanting for more roleplaying of the grieving process? I think that'd be pretty cool, if it could be done.

Yeah, it would definitely be nice for our own hero to bring it up, rather than for it only to be reminded of through other people. I mean something like that we aren't going to easily forget, and for certain characters like Hawke's mother, she isn't going to mean much to the others, even if they sympathize.

I think there is some player agency involved, too. Using your imagination. My diplomatic Hawke is more sarcastic and direct after her mother dies...she goes through a "what is this all for" phase in mourning (that's also how I manage stealing the Dalish tattoo ink for Act 2's Herbalist's Task quest, something she'd never do otherwise lol). I'd always welcome more content, though. I'm interested in how the Inquisitor will interact with companions and other people closer to them...this whole interactive party banter thing I'm hearing about is exciting. 

One can only hope this party banter doesn't get in the way of everything else, however. It was so annoying playing DA2 when outside of the city or in the city at night, because you could miss out on loads of it should a battle start, because you could barely hear anything amidst everything else.

[Mirrman70]

in defense of Mass Effect 3 there is the threat of mass extinction of all species capable of space flight. There isn't really a lot of time to spend mourning people. they did add that scene for thane. there is also that memorial wall. mass effect 2 there aren't any super major character deaths to deal with that you can't avoid, other then in Arrival but that is kind of just meant to transition players into ME3. DA2 has scenes for the mom, for the sibling and even Aveline manages to bring up her husband multiple times. also what about the people that want to roleplay the character that is in denial? If they are going to pander to you guys I want them to pander to the people want to do the exact opposite as you guys.

[ziloe]

Mirrman70 wrote...

in defense of Mass Effect 3 there is the threat of mass extinction of all species capable of space flight. There isn't really a lot of time to spend mourning people. they did add that scene for thane. there is also that memorial wall. mass effect 2 there aren't any super major character deaths to deal with that you can't avoid, other then in Arrival but that is kind of just meant to transition players into ME3. DA2 has scenes for the mom, for the sibling and even Aveline manages to bring up her husband multiple times. also what about the people that want to roleplay the character that is in denial? If they are going to pander to you guys I want them to pander to the people want to do the exact opposite as you guys.

ME3 isn't so much my concern as it was in ME1, where Kaiden/Ashley dies and then they're promptly forgotten. The fact that I can remember Alistair's mourning, but can't remember beyond Hawke's sitting in bed and being comforted, really says something about the lack of noticeable commentary on said losses.

Modifié par ziloe, 16 février 2014 - 02:33 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Gosh i hope that i won't be forced to drama and crying i want rp and simple i didn't care about leandra then hawke started bi*** about her death damn deal with that i miss the warden <_<

[KaiserShep]

There were quite a few references to Duncan throughout the story that kept him fresh in the memory of the player to help along. It even went so far as to "resurrect" him in the Broken Circle quest, having a vision of him confront the Warden in the fade. Then you had other NPC's mentioning him in Orzammar, the elven alienage, and then you had mementos of his from Ostagar and his shield as a gift to Alistair. I guess the problem with Leandra was that she was not set up as a mentor figure for Hawke or anyone else really. But, above all else, the loss of Duncan is conveyed through a companion rather than the PC, with whom we have little control over when it comes to his grief. If Alistair was not close to Duncan, he'd be at the mercy of the player's option to express grief over his death, whereas with Leandra, all we have is a brief moment of Gamlen getting emotional.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 16 février 2014 - 03:01 .

[leaguer of one]

ziloe wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

in defense of Mass Effect 3 there is the threat of mass extinction of all species capable of space flight. There isn't really a lot of time to spend mourning people. they did add that scene for thane. there is also that memorial wall. mass effect 2 there aren't any super major character deaths to deal with that you can't avoid, other then in Arrival but that is kind of just meant to transition players into ME3. DA2 has scenes for the mom, for the sibling and even Aveline manages to bring up her husband multiple times. also what about the people that want to roleplay the character that is in denial? If they are going to pander to you guys I want them to pander to the people want to do the exact opposite as you guys.

ME3 isn't so much my concern as it was in ME1, where Kaiden/Ashley dies and then they're promptly forgotten. The fact that I can remember Alistair's mourning, but can't remember beyond Hawke's sitting in bed and being comforted, really says something about the lack of noticeable commentary on said losses.

They were not forgotten. They are brought up though out the entire series. In ME1 there is not so much time to morn with the end of the galexy  on hand.
And with DA2, it was way more then once Hawk had to deal with his moms death.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 16 février 2014 - 03:03 .

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Gosh i hope that i won't be forced to drama and crying i want rp and simple i didn't care about leandra then hawke started bi*** about her death damn deal with that i miss the warden <_<

Yes because I'm certain that a normal person would be totally free of concern if their mother was turned into Frankenmage's monster. Hawke's emotional state after All That Remains is kept relatively light, considering its gravity. As for the Warden, I remember that the Cousland Warden, at the very least, was written to show concern for his/her parents no matter what.