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[TheKomandorShepard]

ziloe wrote...


You're missing my point. Whether you want to play a hero or a renegade, this is not a game to play a bad guy. This is an adventure for heroes. If you don't like the idea of being an anti hero at the most, then maybe this franchise isn't for you.

Sorry dude but you mistake mass effect with rpg it is not idealist or renegade it is creating own personality and about hero adventure don't be ridiculous you can be villain or hero in origin and don't mistake villain with antagonist...

dragon effect 2 was more like mass effect than dao simple set of 3 personalities that are forced to care when in dao you didn't had to care...

[ziloe]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ziloe wrote...


You're missing my point. Whether you want to play a hero or a renegade, this is not a game to play a bad guy. This is an adventure for heroes. If you don't like the idea of being an anti hero at the most, then maybe this franchise isn't for you.

Sorry dude but you mistake mass effect with rpg it is not idealist or renegade it is creating own personality and about hero adventure don't be ridiculous you can be villain or hero in origin and don't mistake villain with antagonist...

dragon effect 2 was more like mass effect than dao simple set of 3 personalities that are forced to care when in dao you didn't had to care...

Mass Effect IS an RPG. It is not a full fledged FPS, where you play generic soldier #267. You play a character with a history, etc. A villain would imply someone who went against the goals of saving the world, which is not the game you're playing.

Secondly, DA2 had variables. Your personality grew depending on what you picked, and like all games, Developers learn from them, which means that by now they probably know how to improve upon the choices worded in the prior game(s).

[TheKomandorShepard]

ziloe wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ziloe wrote...


You're missing my point. Whether you want to play a hero or a renegade, this is not a game to play a bad guy. This is an adventure for heroes. If you don't like the idea of being an anti hero at the most, then maybe this franchise isn't for you.

Sorry dude but you mistake mass effect with rpg it is not idealist or renegade it is creating own personality and about hero adventure don't be ridiculous you can be villain or hero in origin and don't mistake villain with antagonist...

dragon effect 2 was more like mass effect than dao simple set of 3 personalities that are forced to care when in dao you didn't had to care...

Mass Effect IS an RPG. It is not a full fledged FPS, where you play generic soldier #267. You play a character with a history, etc. A villain would imply someone who went against the goals of saving the world, which is not the game you're playing.

Secondly, DA2 had variables. Your personality grew depending on what you picked, and like all games, Developers learn from them, which means that by now they probably know how to improve upon the choices worded in the prior game(s).

Hhaha mass effect were nothing more than shooter with elemetns of rpg not full rpg...

"A villain would imply someone who went against the goals of saving the world, which is not the game you're playing."

Not rly... i think you mistake villain with omnicidal maniac who is villain but only type of villain simple you can be bad guy hell you can be even bad guy who is hero in public...

Not rly da 2 had ready sets of personalities sometimes it didn't even cared about that giving your character own traits like care about yor mother or family... simple more mass effect than dao...

[ziloe]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ziloe wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ziloe wrote...


You're missing my point. Whether you want to play a hero or a renegade, this is not a game to play a bad guy. This is an adventure for heroes. If you don't like the idea of being an anti hero at the most, then maybe this franchise isn't for you.

Sorry dude but you mistake mass effect with rpg it is not idealist or renegade it is creating own personality and about hero adventure don't be ridiculous you can be villain or hero in origin and don't mistake villain with antagonist...

dragon effect 2 was more like mass effect than dao simple set of 3 personalities that are forced to care when in dao you didn't had to care...

Mass Effect IS an RPG. It is not a full fledged FPS, where you play generic soldier #267. You play a character with a history, etc. A villain would imply someone who went against the goals of saving the world, which is not the game you're playing.

Secondly, DA2 had variables. Your personality grew depending on what you picked, and like all games, Developers learn from them, which means that by now they probably know how to improve upon the choices worded in the prior game(s).

Hhaha mass effect were nothing more than shooter with elemetns of rpg not full rpg...

"A villain would imply someone who went against the goals of saving the world, which is not the game you're playing."

Not rly... i think you mistake villain with omnicidal maniac who is villain but only type of villain simple you can be bad guy hell you can be even bad guy who is hero in public...

Not rly da 2 had ready sets of personalities sometimes it didn't even cared about that giving your character own traits like care about yor mother or family... simple more mass effect than dao...

That's why I said anti hero. You can be a dick, but your end goal will always be to save the world. That is not a true villian.

But like I said, DA2 had variables. The more you picked the good options, the more good you became dialogue-wise. That meant that if you picked an intimidating option, it wasn't necessarily wholeheartedly bad. It wasn't perfect, but it was a starting point for future games.

Modifié par ziloe, 19 février 2014 - 12:29 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

ziloe wrote...

That's why I said anti hero. You can be a dick, but your end goal will always be to save the world. That is not a true villian.

But like I said, DA2 had variables. The more you picked the good options, the more good you became. That meant that if you picked an intimidating option, it wasn't necessarily wholeheartedly bad. It wasn't perfect, but it was a starting point for future games.

Anti-hero is person who would be hero if not his flaws like for example noble minded goal but not nice means , being rude but good guy or just too fearful or greedy.

The warden doesn't have to save world because he loves peoples or care about them he can be just di*** just because and save it for own profit and again see my link...

And da 2 was horrible they took agressive as evil who disagree with everyone and diplomatic as good that agree with everyone.So plase note where would be end corrupted orlesian noble nowhere because it was only 3 ready set of personalities 0 creating own personality...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ziloe, I recommend you stop trying to talk sense to TKS. It is a fruitless endeavor.

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ziloe, I recommend you stop trying to talk sense to TKS. It is a fruitless endeavor.

Yeah you tried just you tried talk sense to me by having no sense

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ziloe, I recommend you stop trying to talk sense to TKS. It is a fruitless endeavor.

Yeah you tried just you tried talk sense to me by having no sense

No, you just refuse to see it. As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink." We can try to talk sense to you until judgement day, but you'll never accept it for whatever reasons you seem to cling to.

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ziloe, I recommend you stop trying to talk sense to TKS. It is a fruitless endeavor.

Yeah you tried just you tried talk sense to me by having no sense

No, you just refuse to see it. As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink." We can try to talk sense to you until judgement day, but you'll never accept it for whatever reasons you seem to cling to.

You can see sense in things that doesn't have it so i didn't want try that with you...

Simple you could be villainous in da deal with that...

and da 2 had 3 sets of ready personalities that true as well

does it have sense yes because that was in case so you are bi*** now oh KC is so evil because he didn't agree with me because mages are so nice... as far i renember you were one who accused me of insulting peoples...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 19 février 2014 - 12:46 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ziloe, I recommend you stop trying to talk sense to TKS. It is a fruitless endeavor.

Yeah you tried just you tried talk sense to me by having no sense

No, you just refuse to see it. As the old saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force him to drink." We can try to talk sense to you until judgement day, but you'll never accept it for whatever reasons you seem to cling to.

You can see sense in things that doesn't have it so i didn't want try that with you...

Simple you could be villainous in da deal with that...

and da 2 had 3 sets of ready personalities that true as well

does it have sense yes because that was in case so you are bi*** now oh KC is so evil because he didn't agree with me because mages are so nice... as far i renember you were one who accused me of insulting peoples...

I never called you evil. Again, if you are gioing to make a point, don't make stuff up. And I'm not insulting you, just pointing out that you have yet to budge on a single argument you've made. Point out three instances where you went "okay, you are right and I was wrong".

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


I never called you evil. Again, if you are gioing to make a point, don't make stuff up. And I'm not insulting you, just pointing out that you have yet to budge on a single argument you've made. Point out three instances where you went "okay, you are right and I was wrong".

Did i said that you did? so you are one make stuff up i still renember discussion with you where you took from my post what you wanted ignoring other part of the post then i explained that so you couldn't make that longer so you started claim that you have enough me of insulting peoples...


With you or others because if first it will be hard with others it was quite a lot when i stated that someone was right and there was not arguing and few times i even apologized because i messed someone point

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 19 février 2014 - 01:01 .

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
And da 2 was horrible they took agressive as evil who disagree with everyone and diplomatic as good that agree with everyone.

Since when was being disagreeable inherently evil? People will more likely response negatively to harsher words, but it's the choices you make that make the difference. Like, if your diplomatic Hawke gives Fenris to Danarius, then your Hawke is pretty evil, regardless of personality.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 19 février 2014 - 01:00 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
And da 2 was horrible they took agressive as evil who disagree with everyone and diplomatic as good that agree with everyone.

Since when was being disagreeable inherently evil? People will more likely response negatively to harsher words, but it's the choices you make that make the difference. Like, if your diplomatic Hawke gives Fenris to Danarius, then your Hawke is pretty evil, regardless of personality.

Well perhaps evil is wrong word more presented as bad guy and diplomatic as good guy so we have evil vs good protagonist simple agressive hawke was di*** who was hostile toward everyone and i want point that danarus choice wasn't diplomatic only pointed as "choice"...

Simple renegade and idealist same rule applaies here when renegade for most time not full brawn evil still renegade bad idealist good...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


I never called you evil. Again, if you are gioing to make a point, don't make stuff up. And I'm not insulting you, just pointing out that you have yet to budge on a single argument you've made. Point out three instances where you went "okay, you are right and I was wrong".

Did i said that you did? so you are one make stuff up i still renember discussion with you where you took from my post what you wanted ignoring other part of the post then i explained that so you couldn't make that longer so you started claim that you have enough me of insulting peoples...

From your last post.

does it have sense yes because that was in case so you are bi*** now oh KC is so evil because he didn't agree with me because mages are so nice... as far i renember you were one who accused me of insulting peoples...

Unless you are telling me you take being called evil as a compliment, then you are insinuating I am insulting you. And as I said, I never called you evil. And then you try to turn the tables with the "And you said I did x..." insinuating that I am doing what I said you were.

And I explained the rest as I was simply dropping the arguments since it was pointless. "An unwinnable argument is not the same as a lost one." were my exact words.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 19 février 2014 - 01:06 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From your last post.

does it have sense yes because that was in case so you are bi*** now oh KC is so evil because he didn't agree with me because mages are so nice... as far i renember you were one who accused me of insulting peoples...

Unless you are telling me you take being called evil as a compliment, then you are insinuating I am insulting you. And then you try to turn the tables with the "And you said I did x..." insinuating that I am doing what I said you were.

And I explained the rest as I was simply dropping the arguments since it was pointless. "An unwinnable argument is not the same as a lost one." were my exact words.

And where i said that you call me evil simple i noted that you try paint me as bad guy telling others to not speak with me and i don't renember if it was you who started call me a troll before.

And yes you accused me of insulting peoples so yep that true... despite that i insulted only 1 person on forum and it wasn't you and you weren't even there...  

[bazzag]

To me, the main difference between diplomatic hawke and direct hawke is the same between paragon/renegade shep. Both are 'good' guys, but whereas diplomatic/paragon character is more likely to be empathic and try to help in a way that leaves less of a fallout, direct/renegade character is a miserable git who helps by cutting out the middle man and taking the easy option, ie.

[ziloe]

bazzag wrote...

To me, the main difference between diplomatic hawke and direct hawke is the same between paragon/renegade shep. Both are 'good' guys, but whereas diplomatic/paragon character is more likely to be empathic and try to help in a way that leaves less of a fallout, direct/renegade character is a miserable git who helps by cutting out the middle man and taking the easy option, ie.

Exactly. Neither are horrible people, they just have different ways of getting the job done, all of which is for the good of that place. One just might take short cuts.

[ziloe]

Welp, the three major tones have been announced as Noble, Clever and Direct, so I guess I was on to something when I said it won't get any further than anti-hero.

And that's not to say they don't have smaller dialogue options for anger, etc.

[Shadow Fox]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

esper wrote...

I think da2 did the right amount with the reactions to Leandra's dead.
The LI tries to comfort the main character and you generally have the option to dismiss them or grieve in various states. Likewise Aveline who knew Leandra and Hawke the longest also have a talk scene and there is mention in about it in banter.... I think furhter impact on the protagonist is up to the players.

yes they only forced my pc to love her , care about her and grief because of her...

Most people love their mothers.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Most people love their mothers.

Yeah right... 
And as is said that most mages in tevinter are power hungry blood mages (well i would say in entire thedas) shouldn't make my pc one of such because most peoples are that...

About who cares my protagonist should decide i not be decided by devs i didn't care about leandra at all and crap game even forced my chapion to help anders...

They screwd it comparing to dao...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 22 février 2014 - 10:22 .

[Icy Magebane]

ziloe wrote...

Welp, the three major tones have been announced as Noble, Clever and Direct, so I guess I was on to something when I said it won't get any further than anti-hero.

And that's not to say they don't have smaller dialogue options for anger, etc.

Wait, what?  Are they actually doing this 3 personalities thing again?  That's confirmed now?  Hm... well, I hope that it doesn't turn out as badly as I expect it to.  I must say I didn't really care for this in DA2 after the wider range of possibilities from DAO...

As far as this topic goes, I'll just say that I agree with the idea of letting the PC have more opportunities to mourn, or even to be dismissive towards the passing of someone (for those of us who didn't like those characters in the first place).  More options make for deeper roleplaying.

[Wulfram]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Wait, what?  Are they actually doing this 3 personalities thing again?

Well, they did it in basically every game they've done, so I'm not sure why that's a surprise.

[Icy Magebane]

Wulfram wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Wait, what?  Are they actually doing this 3 personalities thing again?

Well, they did it in basically every game they've done, so I'm not sure why that's a surprise.

I don't recall that being even remotely true about DAO...

[ziloe]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Wait, what?  Are they actually doing this 3 personalities thing again?

Well, they did it in basically every game they've done, so I'm not sure why that's a surprise.

I don't recall that being even remotely true about DAO...

Indeed, though, if you're curious for a more elaborated answer, you can find it in one of the Dev responses, in these very forums. It was in a thread that asked if the writing would be similar to DA2.