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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I've never understood that: after arriving in Lothering you aren't forced to keep Alistair in your party people who dislike him can simply leave him at camp and not interact with him.

 

While it's true you don't have to keep him in your party, you can't completely avoid interacting with him. Killing Isolde or Conner is a prime example--he'll initiate conversation whether you like it or not, and the Landsmeet will likewise force interaction.

 

Should the game have allowed for people who wanted to completely give him the boot? Eh. The plot probably couldn't get away with it drama intact since Alistair features so heavily in getting Eamon to go up against Loghain, Anora, the Landsmeet etc. Though the latter would have been much faster and smoother if you could have said the Calenhad line was ended and just let Anora keep the damn throne.

[Shadow Fox]

Oh, so bending my knee and giving in to his tautrum is an much better choice? Because when I use logic, I can't see it in any way how poisoning myself, ruining my lifespan, being haunted by nightmares every night and go to die at the deep roads while becoming an ghoul as an honor. So yes, he needs to suck it up and deal with it, because someone here still needs to see the situation logically.

Ofcourse not but it wouldn't kill you to be more empathetic to his situation would it and do you know how arrogant and self centered that sounds claiming only your view is right and everyone should see it that way and if they don't their view should be derided and their feelings dismissed?

[Jaison1986]

Ofcourse not but it wouldn't kill you to be more empathetic to his situation would it and do you know how arrogant and self centered that sounds claiming only your view is right and everyone should see it that way and if they don't their view should be derided and their feelings dismissed?

 

Really? Because if that's the case, you should also call Alistair arrogant and self centered, because no matter how you explain it to him, he says the only right thing to do is kill Loghain and you are an ass for not agreeing with him. So I don't see why I should consider his feelings taking he doesn't consider mine neither.  

[Shadow Fox]

Really? Because if that's the case, you should also call Alistair arrogant and self centered, because no matter how you explain it to him, he says the only right thing to do is kill Loghain and you are an ass for not agreeing with him. So I don't see why I should consider his feelings taking he doesn't consider mine neither.  

No Alistair is emotional and clearly not thinking rationally is he right?Maybe,maybe not but you are essentially letting a traitor who murdered his father into an organization he is a part of  and by proxy asking him to work with him and therefore also allowing him to escape punishment for his crimes by allowing him a chance to redeem himself.Contrast with the Wardens'*and by extension players* who all get revenge on the people who wronged them telling him he can't have his because you want another soldier and you see why I call that view self centered and arrogant because you are completely disregarding,dismissing and deriding a comrade's emotional pain at the loss of a loved one for your own wants and why I'm somewhat appalled at the lack of empathy of the people who bash him for reacting like most people would at such a situation.

[Jaison1986]

No Alistair is emotional and clearly not thinking rationally is he right?Maybe,maybe not but you are essentially letting a traitor who murdered his father into an organization he is a part of  and by proxy asking him to work with him and therefore also allowing him to escape punishment for his crimes by allowing him a chance to redeem himself.Contrast with the Wardens'*and by extension players* who all get revenge on the people who wronged them telling him he can't have his because you want another soldier and you see why I call that view self centered and arrogant because you are completely disregarding,dismissing and deriding a comrade's emotional pain at the loss of a loved one for your own wants and why I'm somewhat appalled at the lack of empathy of the people who bash him for reacting like most people would at such a situation.

 

Well Cailan was also an traitor for wanting to marry Celene and deliver Ferelden on an silver plate for the Orlesians. Do I see Alistair realizing that? No, easily ignored by him for no aparent reason. Just like his so beloved father figure can orphan an unborn baby out of convenience and yet Alistair won't say an word about it. It's incredible how both Alistair and some people of the fandom easily dismiss the wrongs commited by these two and yet Loghain aways takes the blame for everything. Don't get me wrong. I don't for a second excuse Loghain for his mistakes and his crimes. I know what he did. But like I said before, being made an Warden is anything but an salvation. Should Jory wife feelings also be dismissed? Or Anora who was about to get dumped by her husband while he advances himself? Alistair wasn't the only one that got stomped over. 

[Shadow Fox]

Well Cailan was also an traitor for wanting to marry Celene and deliver Ferelden on an silver plate for the Orlesians. Do I see Alistair realizing that? No, easily ignored by him for no aparent reason. Just like his so beloved father figure can orphan an unborn baby out of convenience and yet Alistair won't say an word about it. It's incredible how both Alistair and some people of the fandom easily dismiss the wrongs commited by these two and yet Loghain aways takes the blame for everything. Don't get me wrong. I don't for a second excuse Loghain for his mistakes and his crimes. I know what he did. But like I said before, being made an Warden is anything but an salvation. Should Jory wife feelings also be dismissed? Or Anora who was about to get dumped by her husband while he advances himself? Alistair wasn't the only one that got stomped over. 

Except Alistair didn't know that Cailan was going to betray Anora neither did Wynne to Alistair Cailan was just an idealistic king who his general betrayed out of blind hate,you're blatantly ignoring that Jory choose to become a Warden and leave his wife himself and that he was warned that he couldn't back out,and it's amusing and saddening how some Loghain fanboys will downplay what he did and demonize Alistair,Duncan and Cailan and scapegoat Howe to justify his actions,again dismissing other's views and the Dalish,Magi,City Elf and both Dwarven Origins disagree at the least in fact the only Origin that shows Duncan in a dubious light is his blackmailing the HN's father to save his family and even then he's willing to save the Warden's mother even when she's useless to the cause,Jory himself chose to leave her,Except that situation is out of his hands regardless,In the Landsmeet he was.

[Reaverwind]

Hmm since the game finishes the same regardless of our choices (Blight ended, Archdemon dead), I prefer to play my game how I want to play it. Loghain dies for heinous crimes at the Landsmeet. It's certainly what he intends to do to the warden and Alistair if he wins. And he's spent the last year plotting out my character's death, with bounties. He sells innocent civilians into slavery to fund his army, not to fight darkspawn (which he should be doing), but to fight his fellow nobles who don't want him ruling. Those who oppose him disappear into Howe's dungeons or Ft Drakon.

People who blame Howe for these crimes are just excusing Loghain. The first thing anyone in the military learns is "Chain of Command". The guy at the top is responsible for what his subordinates do in his name. That's the price of being in charge. Anything Howe does is on Loghain's head because he sanctions it. His denials in the Landsmeet only prove to me (if I didn't already think so) of how unfit he is to be in the position he's in.

And since my warden has been dealing with the blight all along with him not only NOT helping, but actively OPPOSING my efforts, I kill him, as my warden sees him as a dangerous liability when the country is already in a crisis of almost entirely his making. I can't blame him for the darkspawn, but I can for what happens afterward. At the very least, he certainly wasn't helping matters.

You can view it however you wish, it's your game, you paid for it, you get to interpret it your way, and you aren't wrong, but I don't agree with your assessment. As I said, there is no 'right or wrong' only interpretation.

Perhaps there should have been terrible consequences for each choice.  Like using the Circle to save Connor saves the boy, but you come back to find Redcliffe decimated.  Or Teagan objects to the slaying of his nephew, getting Eamon to not help you, or Eamon dies because you killed the boy (by severing the link).  By the way, I don't kill Connor, I usually sacrifice Isolde to Jowan's ritual (which costs me even more approval than killing the boy, but I won't do that to a child), but doing that could mean Jowan sucks away her life and makes good his getaway with the power gained, putting you back to square one with one less option.  Or allowing Alistair to walk away (or be executed) at the Landsmeet leaves you with Loghain who ends up stabbing you in the back.  Or Morrigan leaves  you (for any of a number of reasons) and refuses to offer the DR and both Loghain (Alistair) and Riordan die trying to fight the AD.  Or placing Harrowmont in charge of Orzammar means no troop support because he can't inspire the Assembly to get off their apathetic asses.  But it doesn't.  For no choice in the game is there any real consequence that truly affects the game, only its aftermath, and even then Bioware keeps retconning our choices with each new game to the point where, I've decided to see end slides as "rumors of things you may have heard" or possibly just a "tie everything up in a bow for anyone not continuing the series".  I guess it's just as well I don't write for Bioware, I can think up some pretty horrible no win scenarios.

As for him disagreeing with you, hell people disagree all the time.  Being friends doesn't mean you have to 'yes' to everything your friends do.  So he has morals that differ from yours.  When you tell him "I don't want to be a warden" it means you have (at the least) little in common with him, or at the worst you **** all over his views on the matter.  Remember he wanted to be a warden, it was the first choice he was allowed to make for himself, and he looks up to Duncan for caring enough about his fate to let him.  He's a warden, but he was written to be as realistic as possible which means he has feelings and viewpoints that may not coincide with yours, and how you view the wardens.  If you ****** all over his values, expect to get at the least a tonguelashing, just as you would any living person's.  Most of my wardens see being in the wardens as a 'life saving' event, no matter the circumstances they came to be there and pretty much not a punishment.  Even those who disagree with him treat him diplomatically, as he's quite obviously happy to be a warden.  You can view it differently, but I think this says something about the writing/acting put into the character that he isn't just some AI you can do whatever you want to and expect nothing but 'yes' out of, but a wonderfully rich characterization.

And at least when he disapproves/disagrees with you, Alistair has the balls to tell it to your face not just have random "Alistair disapproves" with broken heart symbol.

Of course, he makes mistakes, he's been written to be human.  Do I agree with the tantrum in the Landsmeet and the walkout?  No, bad form on his part, but then since I never see fit to reward Loghain (see my note above about not viewing it as a punishment) for doing what he did (seriously, do you give treats to a dog who piddles on your carpet?) with being made a warden, I don't really see that scene.  The only fate i think Loghain deserves is to have his head mounted outside the palace walls on a pike.

 

I agree with a lot of what you wrote there. I also felt recruiting Loghain would be more detrimental than beneficial to the Wardens. Plus, as Riordan slyly suggested, if you want to make use of his supposedly great leadership skills, you don't throw him away in a potentially lethal joining. That's just nuts. I also had to question why Riordan hadn't already gotten busy recruiting more wardens. 

 

Also, while I don't appreciate how Alistair's objections to becoming King sound a bit whiny, I have to agree he's absolutely right. He has NO background in politics, and has lead an incredibly sheltered life. He's also a bastard, a relative unknown (I'm honestly surprised so many seemingly accepted that he even had a claim), and a Warden to boot. He really has no business trying for the throne. 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

He's also a bastard, a relative unknown (I'm honestly surprised so many seemingly accepted that he even had a claim), and a Warden to boot. He really has no business trying for the throne. 

 

Well, Maric did give him over to Arl Eamon to raise. Had Alistair been raised in obscurity and there was no one who knew his parentage then yeah, he'd have a problem, but not even Loghain or Anora denies who his father was. The admission of a teyrn and an arl is probably enough for a monarchy like Ferelden's.

 

I mean, he didn't pull a magic sword out of a stone or anything.

[Jaison1986]

Except Alistair didn't know that Cailan was going to betray Anora neither did Wynne to Alistair Cailan was just an idealistic king who his general betrayed out of blind hate,you're blatantly ignoring that Jory choose to become a Warden and leave his wife himself and that he was warned that he couldn't back out,and it's amusing and saddening how some Loghain fanboys will downplay what he did and demonize Alistair,Duncan and Cailan and scapegoat Howe to justify his actions,again dismissing other's views and the Dalish,Magi,City Elf and both Dwarven Origins disagree,Jory himself chose to leave her,Except that situation is out of his hands regardless,In the Landsmeet he was.

 

And you are batantly ignoring how Duncan tricked him into recruitment never telling all of the dire things that he is required to do. Do you really think Jory would choose this life if he knew what it entailed? And either Jory was pretty misinformed or the writers got sloppy, as he genuinely thought he could return to his wife once his duties were completed. 

[Reaverwind]

Well, Maric did give him over to Arl Eamon to raise. Had Alistair been raised in obscurity and there was no one who knew his parentage then yeah, he'd have a problem, but not even Loghain or Anora denies who his father was. The admission of a teyrn and an arl is probably enough for a monarchy like Ferelden's.

 

I mean, he didn't pull a magic sword out of a stone or anything.

 

And Eamon promptly sent him to the stables. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I really wish that Alistair could have grown out of the Eamon-worship enough to let the old bugger really have it.

[Shadow Fox]

And you are batantly ignoring how Duncan tricked him into recruitment never telling all of the dire things that he is required to do. Do you really think Jory would choose this life if he knew what it entailed? And either Jory was pretty misinformed or the writers got sloppy, as he genuinely thought he could return to his wife once his duties were completed. 

Did he because it seems to me that warning someone that they can't back out if they join is proof enough that it won't be simple or easy.

[Mike3207]

The one thing I will say about Alistair's behavior at the Landsmeet-he makes it easy for Anora to execute or exile him. If he had been more politic it would have been easier for the Warden to keep Alistair in the Wardens.

[Shadow Fox]

The one thing I will say about Alistair's behavior at the Landsmeet-he makes it easy for Anora to execute or exile him. If he had been more politic it would have been easier for the Warden to keep Alistair in the Wardens.

In his defense though could you work with someone who has killed the people you cared for and hunted you down?

 

And really Anora's actions are akin to kicking someone while they're down.

[Shadow Fox]

Yes...will Elissa Cousland allow Howe to become Grey Warden? Will City Elf allow Vaughan to become Grey Warden?

 

Some sided with Loghain just because cannot stand being berrated by Alistair, cannot accept the one who was funny and cute suddenly look like a monster in the Landsmeet

 

But do think in the character point of view...will Elissa Cousland allow Howe to become Grey Warden and work then with him, furthermore welcoming him as "brothers in arm", letting him escape all his crimes with the same reason want to spare Loghain?

Exactly.

 

And I get the impression some people just want to be able to act like a jerk and stomp over others' feelings and beliefs whenever they want free of consequence and get upset when they are penalized. 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

And Eamon promptly sent him to the stables. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. I really wish that Alistair could have grown out of the Eamon-worship enough to let the old bugger really have it.

 

Err...that's neither here nor there. Who on earth said Alistair was sent to Eamon to be raised as a noble, anyway? Alistair was never expected to be the heir to the throne, but that doesn't mean he couldn't be used as one.

[ShadowLordXII]

Alistair isn't exactly anti-hero friendly and I don't think he's meant to be.

 

But here's the thing about Alistair and the typical Grey Warden mentality, morality wise, he's Good-Neutral. He's not beholden to the law or to chaos, which means that he won't condone cruel or morally questionable actions and attitudes even when necessary or when the results outweigh the cost.

 

I typically play Good characters and get along with him rather well, though my evil mage pretty much made him into a chew toy(If I hadn't erased that save, Amell would've recruited Loghain, put Anora on the throne and got Alistair executed out of pure spite and fun). But when it comes to Redcliffe, I often use the Blood Magic Ritual because I play as a character whose in a hurry to save Connor. I can convince Alistair that I had to do it (realistically, going all the way to the Circle would've left too much time for the demon to regroup and kill everyone) and though he'll reluctantly agree, he'll make it clear that he doesn't like it.

 

He's meant to be the "moral" signpost in the group, the guy whose meant to keep a more morally-loose warden honest and call them out on any questionable actions that they commit. Not exactly in line with Warden thinking, but he was a novice warden so some of the mentality hadn't sunk in. Alistair saw his fellow wardens as family and I don't believe he had been in the order long enough to really understand what it meant to be a warden beyond Duncan's words. Then again, Duncan recruit Alistair because of his determination, his character and his loyal heart. Being a templar was also a good bonus.

 

The fact that Alistair was recruited based mostly on his moral character says something about Duncan's judgement and for Grey Warden standards. There is a place for "moral" signposts in the order, to keep the order honest and maintain it's integrity.

 

I personally hate how hardened Alistair will outright abandon you if you recruit Loghain, but from his standpoint it's understandable. Loghain is the last person that should be recruited in the order after all of the damage that he did to Ferelden and to the Grey Wardens. Let's face it, the only reason that Loghain was recruited was desperation for an ambiguous reason that Riorden just assumed that the Warden knew. Recruiting Loghain to Alistair is the ultimate betrayal to the other wardens as Ostagar and the fact that he's recruited as a "punishment" cheapens their sacrifice and the honor that being a warden entails.

 

In D+D, good guys rarely work with bad guys for a reason. And there are some things that can be done in Origins that are pretty much synonymous with evil (Defiling the remains of a holy figure, Many opportunities for unprovoked violent murder, Putting Bhelen on the throne, Sicking the werewolves on the dalish clan for something that their leader did, Indiscriminately murdering every mage in the Circle Tower even if they're not abominations or blood mages, and taking a bribe from Vaughen to allow him and his men to gang rape your cousin along with other elven women who were meant to be your maids of honor (Please tell me most players killed that sob))

[Mike3207]

In his defense though could you work with someone who has killed the people you cared for and hunted you down?

 

And really Anora's actions are akin to kicking someone while they're down.

 

if you're referring to Duncan and the Wardens, more than anyone else their deaths can be blamed on Cailan. He was the one who put them on the front lines. I will say Loghain could have come up with a better strategy for Ostagar, but everyone underestimated the number of darkspawn at Ostagar. I'm not even sure a good strategy could have got them to stalemate.

 

Hunting them down-sure Loghain did that. In his defense though, he doesn't know that only Wardens can kill a Archdemon.This is one case where the Wardens secrecy hurt them.

[Shadow Fox]

if you're referring to Duncan and the Wardens, more than anyone else their deaths can be blamed on Cailan. He was the one who put them on the front lines. I will say Loghain could have come up with a better strategy for Ostagar, but everyone underestimated the number of darkspawn at Ostagar. I'm not even sure a good strategy could have got them to stalemate.

 

Hunting them down-sure Loghain did that. In his defense though, he doesn't know that only Wardens can kill a Archdemon.This is one case where the Wardens secrecy hurt them.

No you are trying to pass the blame to Cailan who didn't abandon them to die then say they betrayed him.

 

So it's the Wardens' fault Loghain out of paranoia and hate left them to be slaughtered and treated them like criminals...what?

[Mike3207]

The signal was two hours late, and Loghain did order it as a retreat. Even if it had been on time, the result would have likely been the same. There were simply too many darkspawn to rescue Cailan and the Wardens.

 

At the time of the Landsmeet, a lot of Ferelden does believe that the Wardens played a role in the Kings death. That part is muddled enough that a smart Warden never even raises the issue of Ostagar. It's just too easy for Loghain to turn the issue around on them. His behavior after Ostagar is sufficient to convict him on-if you choose to go that route.

[Shadow Fox]

The signal was two hours late, and Loghain did order it as a retreat. Even if it had been on time, the result would have likely been the same. There were simply too many darkspawn to rescue Cailan and the Wardens.

 

At the time of the Landsmeet, a lot of Ferelden does believe that the Wardens played a role in the Kings death. That part is muddled enough that a smart Warden never even raises the issue of Ostagar. It's just too easy for Loghain to turn the issue around on them. His behavior after Ostagar is sufficient to convict him on-if you choose to go that route.

And why didn't he just say that then instead of accusing the Wardens of betrayal and making a power grab?

 

Actually only Loghain's men and that knight who challenges you to a duel do, others seem mixed on the issue or believe Loghain's lying to make a power grab.

[ShadowLordXII]

if you're referring to Duncan and the Wardens, more than anyone else their deaths can be blamed on Cailan. He was the one who put them on the front lines. I will say Loghain could have come up with a better strategy for Ostagar, but everyone underestimated the number of darkspawn at Ostagar. I'm not even sure a good strategy could have got them to stalemate.

 

Hunting them down-sure Loghain did that. In his defense though, he doesn't know that only Wardens can kill a Archdemon.This is one case where the Wardens secrecy hurt them.

 

Honestly, the death of the wardens at Ostagar was a bad call on Duncan's part. He should've left a few wardens in Denerem in the event that the battle at Ostagar was lost. As for Loghain, he was in a lose-lose situation, if he had tried to save Cailan then his forces would've been slaughtered before reached the king and choosing the strategically smart choice of retreat ensured that at least a significant portion of the royal army survived. As much I despise the man, Loghain made a difficult yet good call at Ostagar. Honorable? No. Made a bad plan from the start? Yes. But he did the best he could within the confines of the situation.

 

Putting a bounty on any surviving wardens was pretty dumb. Even if he didn't know that wardens were the only ones who could kill an archdemon, history factually shows that Grey Wardens have fought and beaten the blight 4 times over and without them, the blight will ravage the land without mercy. The only reason that he was even antagonistic against the wardens was because of his paranoia of Orlais. A paranoia which he would've allowed to divide and weaken his country.

 

And Anora's hands aren't clean either...Alistair has every right to distrust and despise either character.

[Mike3207]

Honestly, the death of the wardens at Ostagar was a bad call on Duncan's part. He should've left a few wardens in Denerem in the event that the battle at Ostagar was lost. As for Loghain, he was in a lose-lose situation, if he had tried to save Cailan then his forces would've been slaughtered before reached the king and choosing the strategically smart choice of retreat ensured that at least a significant portion of the royal army survived. As much I despise the man, Loghain made a difficult yet good call at Ostagar. Honorable? No. Made a bad plan from the start? Yes. But he did the best he could within the confines of the situation.

 

Putting a bounty on any surviving wardens was pretty dumb. Even if he didn't know that wardens were the only ones who could kill an archdemon, history factually shows that Grey Wardens have fought and beaten the blight 4 times over and without them, the blight will ravage the land without mercy. The only reason that he was even antagonistic against the wardens was because of his paranoia of Orlais. A paranoia which he would've allowed to divide and weaken his country.

 

And Anora's hands aren't clean either...Alistair has every right to distrust and despise either character.

Well, he did send a couple of junior Wardens up a Tower where surely it would have been safe-but yeah.

 

As for Loghain, just about everything he does after Ostagar doesn't cover himself with glory. If you don't need Wardens that bad...but you really do.

 

Anora-well i really don't think she has much power in that year. And the one time she does try to do something, she ends up kidnapped. A bad year for the Mac Tirs all around, no doubt.

[The Don's Hound]

Never cared much for him, but he has some funny moments.

 

Neutral on the matter. Fate would depend on character, if I ever finish Origins

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

 

The only reason that he was even antagonistic against the wardens was because of his paranoia of Orlais. A paranoia which he would've allowed to divide and weaken his country.

 

And Anora's hands aren't clean either...Alistair has every right to distrust and despise either character.

 

Actually, Loghain had backstory reasons to distrust and dislike the Wardens. In the second novel Duncan and the other Wardens go behind both Loghain's and Rowan's back to take King Maric into the freakin' Deep Roads to go chasing darkspawn (and look, here's Duncan coming to undermine Loghain and put King Cailan on the front lines against darkspawn!), Maric also betrays Rowan with a Grey Warden, which Loghain would have hated.

 

What's wrong with Anora though?

[ShadowLordXII]

Actually, Loghain had backstory reasons to distrust and dislike the Wardens. In the second novel Duncan and the other Wardens go behind both Loghain's and Rowan's back to take King Maric into the freakin' Deep Roads to go chasing darkspawn (and look, here's Duncan coming to undermine Loghain and put King Cailan on the front lines against darkspawn!), Maric also betrays Rowan with a Grey Warden, which Loghain would have hated.

 

What's wrong with Anora though?

 

Not exactly a point in his favor. If I recall correctly, Rowan had already died by then and Maric volunteered to go into the Deep Roads. Furthermore, I don't believe Loghain actually knew about Maric's affair with an elven Orlesian Grey Warden mage or he would've had Alistair killed off with an "accident". If Loghain should've been mad at anyone, he should've been mad at Maric for actually choosing to go with the Wardens.

 

Look, I'm certain that Anora is a good administrator as she did handle the business end of lordship when she was married to Cailan. But, Anora was powerless at best and inept at worst after Ostagar. She supports her father's bid for regent and therefore is indirectly responsible for all of the mess that this enables Loghain to commit. For an entire year or so, she sat back and let Loghain run Ferelden into the gutter, never once questioning any of her father's decisions, trying to bring an end to the Civil War through her supposed influence or attempting to put her foot down until it's convenient for her. She also has a lot in common with Loghain in the vein of the "I know what's right and everyone else should step in line or step aside" mentality. She'll also manipulate and double-cross the warden on two occasions just to suit her own personal goals. Even Loghain (if recruited) will mention how devious Anora can be.

 

Yet after all of that, she still expects the Warden to support her as Queen.

 

Maybe there was nothing that she could do against her father's regency, but she didn't even try. There's nothing in the game that would suggest that Anora wants to be Queen for anything other than to maintain her own power rather than for the sake of her people. If she was really a leader who put her people before herself, she would've opposed her father's actions: particularly starting a civil war, seizing power without the bannorn's consent, appointing Howe as Teryn knowing that he blatantly murdered the Couslands or putting a bounty on the only organization capable of fighting the very real Blight ravaging through her country. She's barely a few points above Cercei Lannister from ASoIaF (particularly on the incest bit) as far as competence and trustworthiness is concerned.

 

That's when I've stomached having Anora on the throne, I never do so without someone like Alistair or the Human Noble around to keep her from losing sight of what's really important as a ruler. And on a nitpicky note, I'm also annoyed that the Human Noble is considered the "Consort" to Anora when she doesn't have a drop of noble blood in her and she's only sitting on the throne because the Warden saved Ferelden from her and her father's abject failures as rulers.

 

So there, I'm not a huge Anora fan.