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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Alliance can't stand on its own, for a lot of reasons.

1. Population. How many humans can there possibly be? Humanities largest colony has a population of less than 10 million. There are what, 13-15 billion humans in the galaxy? Compared to the "trillions of sentients" from the other races?

2. Military. As the game says, only 3% of humanity serves in the Alliance military. Compared to the Hierarchy, with every single Turian serves when they turn 15. With the near-certainty that there are tens of billions more Turians than humans, and their draft, the Hierarchy has got to have an insurmountable numerical advantage, not to mention better trained, disciplined, armed, and armored soldiers. This doesn't even mention that the Turians have 37 dreadnoughts and at least 32 fleets, compared to the Alliance's six of each. And it's safe to assume Turian fleets are larger in cruiser and frigate size. If the Alliance doesn't sign the treaty of Farixen, they get invaded by the full military strength of the Hierarchy, and Earth falls in a week or two. This doesn't even mention the Asari or Salarian fleets.

3. Economically. No contest. The corporations on Illium probably have a higher economic output than the entire Alliance. Saren himself owns very large shares in several human corporations.

[CrutchCricket]

I wonder if it's worth mentioning the divide between Alliance and Earth governments. Really the Systems Alliance is a weird... growth in between the galactic administration and the government(s) of Earth. Sounds like a middle manager than can be downsized in my opinion.

Edit: Wait, maybe not. Earth is still not unified under one command. Something I think would also work against us if we got uppity too soon.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 19 février 2014 - 06:50 .

[Barquiel]

StreetMagic wrote...

Works for me. Basically, I just want more Game of Thrones in space. Not Fellowship of the Ring in Space (and now that Sauron/Reapers are dead.. maybe we can move to smaller political issues. Who knows).

I guess you don't really like the epilogues then?

[CrutchCricket]

The epilogue slides are fine if taken as single snapshots in time. But if you emphasize their tone as a whole it's an over-correction for the wrong problem.

The ending outcry wasn't "We want the land of happiness and chocolates as an ending" (and anyone who claims that is sorely missing the point) but rather "We want a clear sense of victory (not Pyrrhic victory, mind you), we want to see what happens to the people and things we helped shape and we'd like at least the possibility of a happy ending for our character. Oh and please don't destroy absolutely everything we know and love about this universe in the last 5 min because you think it's 'artistic'."

Of course, take the usual Bioware sense of subtlety and approach to problem solving and you get... well what we're left with.

[RangerSG]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I wonder if it's worth mentioning the divide between Alliance and Earth governments. Really the Systems Alliance is a weird... growth in between the galactic administration and the government(s) of Earth. Sounds like a middle manager than can be downsized in my opinion.

Edit: Wait, maybe not. Earth is still not unified under one command. Something I think would also work against us if we got uppity too soon.

The Systems Alliance is a multilateral pact in its own right. It's not a nation. I imagine it as something akin to the EU in its ideal current state. Not a unified Europe where nations cease to exist. But one where they all surrender some of their sovereignty to the Alliance to function as a greater whole. Earth isn't actually part of the Alliance, it submits its resources 'through' the Alliance to colonize space. It's the only way humanity could colonize space in the length of time the game has.

And I like your idea of the future after ME. And color me strange, but I also like the idea of Shepalyst becoming a tyrant for ME4. I think it could even work in the non-Control endings. Some well-meaning Council members create a VI to 'guide' the galaxy in the aftermath, using Shepard as the model. Only it gets a little too sentient, and has entirely too much power at its disposal. I could even see the former followers of Shepard acting suitably horrified, saying this wasn't "Their" Shepard.

[CrutchCricket]

RangerSG wrote...
The Systems Alliance is a multilateral pact in its own right. It's not a nation. I imagine it as something akin to the EU in its ideal current state. Not a unified Europe where nations cease to exist. But one where they all surrender some of their sovereignty to the Alliance to function as a greater whole. Earth isn't actually part of the Alliance, it submits its resources 'through' the Alliance to colonize space. It's the only way humanity could colonize space in the length of time the game has.

Maybe it did well enough in that regard. But I still think the lack of unified command would hurt us if it came down to all-out war. And it's not a weakness the other species seem to have (unless the term "asari republics" is literal).

And color me strange, but I also like the idea of Shepalyst becoming a tyrant for ME4.

Ah. I direct you to the link in my sig (Control Explained) for why this wouldn't likely happen.

Some well-meaning Council members create a VI to 'guide' the galaxy in the aftermath, using Shepard as the model. Only it gets a little too sentient, and has entirely too much power at its disposal. I could even see the former followers of Shepard acting suitably horrified, saying this wasn't "Their" Shepard.

I have some ideas about this happening as well. Only it's not Shepard-based, and it's not Council members that do it. Think more Overlord meets Shadow Broker... I'll withold the details for now.

[Invisible Man]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I have some ideas about this happening as well. Only it's not Shepard-based, and it's not Council members that do it. Think more Overlord meets Shadow Broker... I'll withold the details for now.

I like this, though I think I like the idea that the council created it, and it's modeled to resemble & sound like shepard, but promotes council agendas, and has nothing to do with potential shepard viewpoints. like a public relations vi mouthpiece for the citadel council.

[CrutchCricket]

Invisible Man wrote...
I like this, though I think I like the idea that the council created it, and it's modeled to resemble & sound like shepard, but promotes council agendas, and has nothing to do with potential shepard viewpoints. like a public relations vi mouthpiece for the citadel council.

So Shepard is the new Avina?

Sure, if you want.

I was getting at something different though.

Edit: Come to think of it, they could probably get away with actually doing that in sequelME4. And if they were feeling really fancy, they could set up an import feature for the headmorph, so customShep players wouldn't be left out.

Wait what am I saying? That'd actually be a good, clever idea. Can't have those anymore...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 février 2014 - 06:50 .

[Brainarius]

SPECTREs are useful. The Citadel Council has to have agents like that otherwise they'd be like the current UN with no teeth so they need people to investigate and handle stuff for them. The Council was influenced by Salarian ideology when setting up the group which is probably why many humans like us are uncomfortable with it since the Salarians are very dirty fighters.

[AlexMBrennan]

The Council was influenced by Salarian ideology when setting up the group which is probably why many humans like us are uncomfortable with it since the Salarians are very dirty fighters.

You might have a point, if salerians actually existed - but I hate to break it to you, but ME is just fiction written by humans and as such you can't explain why humans don't like it by "aliens thought of the idea"

[Reorte]

You might have a point, if salerians actually existed - but I hate to break it to you, but ME is just fiction written by humans and as such you can't explain why humans don't like it by "aliens thought of the idea"

I think he realises that. It's fairly normal to discuss fictional issues though you know...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You might have a point, if salerians actually existed - but I hate to break it to you, but ME is just fiction written by humans and as such you can't explain why humans don't like it by "aliens thought of the idea"

 

But you can speculate on the possibilities of different perspectives and ideas that would be held by a notional race. We can apply philosophical, moral, and ethical concepts to them and have them ascribe to a certain species.

[Display Name Owner]

It's pretty silly to leave them totally unsupervised. That the Council doesn't want to know what they get up to is really foolish. Saren only got found out by accident, there could be dozens of Spectres out there looking the other way and pocketing drug money and there's nothing at all to stop them. Maybe with a proper internal affairs type organisation behind them the Spectres could be good.

 

Honestly though I think we're meant to assume the majority of them are 'good cops' like Nihlus. It's easy to picture a lot of them going rogue though.