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[ImaginaryMatter]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If Shepard had attempted to hide behind his spectre status the Alliance would just have had the council revoke it (his mandate is to deal with the collectors, not blow up Baterians) with the net result that everyone in the galaxy now knows that humans can't be trusted with anything.

Wrong. His mandate is the same mandate as any other Spectre- preserve galactic stability. Preventing a Reaper invasion falls under that mandate, as does stopping the Collectors. Funny though, how neither tasks come to him by way of the Council.

And last I checked the Council needs evidence of wrongdoing before revoking Spectre status. If the Alliance were to implicate Shepard, they would also implicate themselves and the damage would be far greater than stripping one Spectre of rank.

The sheer stupidity of not only scapegoating Shepard for it, but Shepard actually going for it still galls me. I think only the endings are more nonsensical.

That's the reason why Spectres are made but they are ultimately responsible to the people who grant them those powers. Which is the main problem with the Spectres, they are ultimately agents of the Council, if the Council doesn't like what they are doing they can revoke those powers.

[RangerSG]

CrutchCricket wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If Shepard had attempted to hide behind his spectre status the Alliance would just have had the council revoke it (his mandate is to deal with the collectors, not blow up Baterians) with the net result that everyone in the galaxy now knows that humans can't be trusted with anything.

Wrong. His mandate is the same mandate as any other Spectre- preserve galactic stability. Preventing a Reaper invasion falls under that mandate, as does stopping the Collectors. Funny though, how neither tasks come to him by way of the Council.

And last I checked the Council needs evidence of wrongdoing before revoking Spectre status. If the Alliance were to implicate Shepard, they would also implicate themselves and the damage would be far greater than stripping one Spectre of rank.

The sheer stupidity of not only scapegoating Shepard for it, but Shepard actually going for it still galls me. I think only the endings are more nonsensical.

I have to agree. The 'arrest' was faux-dramatic nonsense. Worse, it wasn't necessary to get Shepard into the Sol system to start the game. Liara contacting him and asking him to the Archives would've been enough.

The Alliance couldn't have tried Shepard without Hackett being outed and going down with him. And even if Udina pulls the strings to leave Shepard's status with the Council in limbo, it does them no good to put the first human Specter on trial to protect...Batarians. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

StreetMagic wrote...

I wonder if the same person came up with the Lazarus Project. Both ME3 and ME2 have awful ways of introducing their plots. ME1 wasn't anything special, but at least it was straightforward and didn't break immersion right out of the gates.

I think the writing mentality was the same in both cases. They were thinking that Shepard needed to be forced into a certain place after a certain skipped amount of time. Unfortunately, how they came about implementing these were terrible. At least the destruction of the Normandy was a cool scene cinematically.

[CrutchCricket]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
That's the reason why Spectres are made but they are ultimately responsible to the people who grant them those powers. Which is the main problem with the Spectres, they are ultimately agents of the Council, if the Council doesn't like what they are doing they can revoke those powers.

You've said nothing that disagrees with my assertions. And nothing that isn't true of any emplyoment, ever.

Of course, we never get to ask the Council what they think of the Project.

RangerSG wrote...
And even if Udina pulls the strings to leave Shepard's status with the Council in limbo, it does them no good to put the first human Specter on trial to protect...Batarians. 

The whole thing was a political farce to blow smoke up the Batarian's asses. Which I can get behind since fighting pointless wars *glares at quarians* is counterproductive to preparing for the Reapers. Where it gets dumb is when Shepard is actually arrested and twidles his thumbs for six months.

I actually would've prefered a war. Everyone would've had more guns out, ready to point them at the Reapers when they showed up. That, and any batarian ships in Alliance space wouldn't have been roflpwnd like they were in their own systems and could've helped out the war effort. Maybe that even means a few less cannibals to go around.

StreetMagic wrote...

I wonder if the same person came up with the Lazarus Project. Both ME3 and ME2 have awful ways of introducing their plots. ME1 wasn't anything special, but at least it was straightforward and didn't break immersion right out of the gates.

Probably. Useless and counterintuitive plot element for arbitrary time-skip? Check. Said plot element only there to separate you from previous crew? Check.

The pattern fits.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 18 février 2014 - 02:01 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

RangerSG wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If Shepard had attempted to hide behind his spectre status the Alliance would just have had the council revoke it (his mandate is to deal with the collectors, not blow up Baterians) with the net result that everyone in the galaxy now knows that humans can't be trusted with anything.

Wrong. His mandate is the same mandate as any other Spectre- preserve galactic stability. Preventing a Reaper invasion falls under that mandate, as does stopping the Collectors. Funny though, how neither tasks come to him by way of the Council.

And last I checked the Council needs evidence of wrongdoing before revoking Spectre status. If the Alliance were to implicate Shepard, they would also implicate themselves and the damage would be far greater than stripping one Spectre of rank.

The sheer stupidity of not only scapegoating Shepard for it, but Shepard actually going for it still galls me. I think only the endings are more nonsensical.

I have to agree. The 'arrest' was faux-dramatic nonsense. Worse, it wasn't necessary to get Shepard into the Sol system to start the game. Liara contacting him and asking him to the Archives would've been enough.

The Alliance couldn't have tried Shepard without Hackett being outed and going down with him. And even if Udina pulls the strings to leave Shepard's status with the Council in limbo, it does them no good to put the first human Specter on trial to protect...Batarians. 

This is the whole thing. But they had to take the Normandy away from Shepard and slap Alliance colors on it. It still had Cerberus colors on it. Also, it had hull damage that needed repairing, and I'm pretty sure The Illusive Man turned off the money tap, however, I'm also certain that Shepard could exercise Council authority and seize the ship from a known terrorist organization and get Council funding to repair it. Such things were glossed over since other things were planned because the Alliance would look bad stealing a ship from the Council. 

I agree it would have been very difficult for the Alliance to put Shepard on trial without implicating themselves. Gee, how did those "rockets" get put on that asteroid? Who funded that project? I can't see Shepard doing all that work him/herself in a couple of days with no funding. It just doesn't add up. It was very lame. Hence MY Shepard told Hackett, "I'm busy."
"But they'll kill Kenson if they see an armed squad of Marines."
"I said I'm busy."

[TheMyron]

The Alliance could've called it "payback" for the X57 attempt.

P.S. I wonder what happened to the Alliance marines who you see managing to escape just before you talk to the Collector General/Harbinger...

Modifié par TheMyron, 18 février 2014 - 02:44 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Marines? What marines? You mean the private contractors the Alliance hired through a third party? They got the hell out of there and denied ever being there. Trust me a lot of files deleted and hard drives went missing after that incident.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 18 février 2014 - 03:24 .

[DPSSOC]

Haven't read the whole thread. The Spectres are ultimately a terrible idea. Yes you need people to do the things Spectres are set out to do. People not necessarily beholden to the law who do what is necessary to accomplish their goals. However you must, absolutely must, watch them, and watch them close. The failing of the Spectres is that we're given every impression that besides Shepard the Council just gives them their very broad, very vague mandate and just relies on the honour system.

[RatThing]

Terrible idea. One person deciding over life and death of thousands oft people without answering to anyone? How is that order or control? This is pure chaos. I can only see failed societies profit from this somehow.

[TheMyron]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Marines? What marines? You mean the private contractors the Alliance hired through a third party? They got the hell out of there and denied ever being there. Trust me a lot of files deleted and hard drives went missing after that incident.

Well, in that case, how would the Batarians know that Shepard was ever there if he never attempted to send the warning?

[DPSSOC]

CrutchCricket wrote...

RangerSG wrote...
And even if Udina pulls the strings to leave Shepard's status with the Council in limbo, it does them no good to put the first human Specter on trial to protect...Batarians. 

The whole thing was a political farce to blow smoke up the Batarian's asses. Which I can get behind since fighting pointless wars *glares at quarians* is counterproductive to preparing for the Reapers. Where it gets dumb is when Shepard is actually arrested and twidles his thumbs for six months.

No where it gets dumb is they avoid a pointless war to prepare for the Reapers and don't.  As stupid as it is that Shepard twiddles his thumbs for 6 months it's made rather clear that in that six months the Alliance has done absolutely nothing.  Oh wait, they repainted the Normandy, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[ImaginaryMatter]

TheMyron wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Marines? What marines? You mean the private contractors the Alliance hired through a third party? They got the hell out of there and denied ever being there. Trust me a lot of files deleted and hard drives went missing after that incident.

Well, in that case, how would the Batarians know that Shepard was ever there if he never attempted to send the warning?

I guess there's a handwave somewhere that Shepard was somehow spotted on some camera somewhere and the evidence made it back to Batarian HQ. There are a lot of implausibilities with the ME2 to ME3 transfer.

[ImaginaryMatter]

DPSSOC wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

RangerSG wrote...
And even if Udina pulls the strings to leave Shepard's status with the Council in limbo, it does them no good to put the first human Specter on trial to protect...Batarians. 

The whole thing was a political farce to blow smoke up the Batarian's asses. Which I can get behind since fighting pointless wars *glares at quarians* is counterproductive to preparing for the Reapers. Where it gets dumb is when Shepard is actually arrested and twidles his thumbs for six months.

No where it gets dumb is they avoid a pointless war to prepare for the Reapers and don't.  As stupid as it is that Shepard twiddles his thumbs for 6 months it's made rather clear that in that six months the Alliance has done absolutely nothing.  Oh wait, they repainted the Normandy, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Hopefully, the Normandy retrofit team (barring the lovely miss Traynor) got sent to do the dirty jobs aboard the Crucible. Honestly, why did they prioritize revamping the lounge rooms and adding in poker tables over fixing the consoles so people could operate the ship?

[TheMyron]

DPSSOC wrote...



No where it gets dumb is they avoid a pointless war to prepare for the Reapers and don't.  As stupid as it is that Shepard twiddles his thumbs for 6 months it's made rather clear that in that six months the Alliance has done absolutely nothing.  Oh wait, they repainted the Normandy, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

No, they completely dismembered it, then rebuilt it the way they wanted it... I wonder how much time and money was wasted on that project alone... nothing that got moved needed to be moved...

Too bad your aren't given to option to sarcastically play dumb at the beginning of ME3.

Modifié par TheMyron, 18 février 2014 - 07:53 .

[wright1978]

DPSSOC wrote...

No where it gets dumb is they avoid a pointless war to prepare for the Reapers and don't.  As stupid as it is that Shepard twiddles his thumbs for 6 months it's made rather clear that in that six months the Alliance has done absolutely nothing.  Oh wait, they repainted the Normandy, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

You can't steal someone's ship until you give it a new paint job and false plates.

[shodiswe]

Ubermench seems to be the rule rather than the exception in the galaxy.

Turian Hirarchy
Quarian Admiralty
Baratian Hirachy
Salarian Dalatrass

Assari Matriarchs (maybe, even if it's democratic)

[wright1978]

StreetMagic wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

No where it gets dumb is they avoid a pointless war to prepare for the Reapers and don't.  As stupid as it is that Shepard twiddles his thumbs for 6 months it's made rather clear that in that six months the Alliance has done absolutely nothing.  Oh wait, they repainted the Normandy, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

You can't steal someone's ship until you give it a new paint job and false plates.

Whatever.

It's not so bad once you get used to the hot food and soft beds.

Lol, that combination would anyone forget about the coming invasion of giant cuttlefish.

[wright1978]

StreetMagic wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Lol, that combination would make anyone forget about the coming invasion of giant cuttlefish.

Heh.. well, I'm being sarcastic actually.

I hated that line. I would preferred seeing my Shepard actually imprisoned, against his will, and pissed off in his quarters.. wearing a wifebeater and doing pullups.. looking crazy like Kyle Reese or Sarah Connor in the Terminator movies. He's a little too happy in ME3.

Better yet, Snake Plissken. That should've been the inspiration. Shepard should be that dangerous and infamous at this point, but he's a ****ing boy scout about it all.

Well i'd have preferred to have seen Shep being waterboarded and tortured or as you say at least  the option to be p*ssed off in his/her quarters. Just being forced into happy chilling at Alliance Hq was annoying.

[Invisible Man]

if you didn't do the arrival dlc, and played the by the book paragon in me2, I have a hard time with Anderson's "the s**t you've done... any other soldier would have been tried, court-martialed and discharged" (also note being court-martialed is being tried, no need to say it twice)
I wish my shepard could have replied something like... name me one thing... I'm only asking for one you could court-martial me over!

[RangerSG]

shodiswe wrote...

Ubermench seems to be the rule rather than the exception in the galaxy.

Turian Hirarchy
Quarian Admiralty
Baratian Hirachy
Salarian Dalatrass

Assari Matriarchs (maybe, even if it's democratic)

Quarians have the Conclave to check the power of the Admiralty in all non-military matters, though. So while it's less Democratic than the Alliance, it's still has a representative element. Especially since if the Admiralty overrides the Conclave, it has to resign.

The Asari are clearly said to be democratic. The Matriarchs are simply gifted advisors. Now the Turians and Batarians, absolutely. Salarians? I'm not sure we're ever told enough.