Yup. Accepting the demons' offers doesn't mean that mages (or in the case of Veil tears/demon outbreaks, mundanes) have to be willing to be possessed.That's what happened to the mages in the Circle Tower who became possessed; abomination Uldred tortured them into accepting his offer.
"Do you accept the gift i offer?"-Uldred
I doesn't matter what he said Z. The mage was tortured into accepting.
No i was quoting him because its a good line.
Like "I'm going to build a new world" 
Perfect mixture of ability and egotism.
According to lore the only thing stopping a mage from not becoming an abomination is NOT WANTING to become one. The second the mage wants that it happens. Torturing or tricking someone to say yes doesn't count. Demons do it all the time, without it they cannot posses a mage. They can't just penetrate a mage lol.
Torturing kind of count. If a demon torture a mage enough, he might want to be possessed to end the torture.According to lore the only thing stopping a mage from not becoming an abomination is NOT WANTING to become one. The second the mage wants that it happens. Torturing or tricking someone to say yes doesn't count. Demons do it all the time, without it they cannot posses a mage. They can't just penetrate a mage lol.
Understood.No i was quoting him because its a good line.
Like "I'm going to build a new world"
Perfect mixture of ability and egotism.
Torturing kind of count. If a demon torture a mage enough, he might want to be possessed to end the torture.
I suppose... I mean I would say yes because people in DA sure know how to torture... Damn devs, I need to get the image that just came my thought out of my head.
Torturing kind of count. If a demon torture a mage enough, he might want to be possessed to end the torture.
Like what happened in the scene where we saw said mage become an abomination.
Or with Connar, Accepting deals with Demons again proves to be moronic.
Connor was a bit different, since he willingly accepted the offer. He didn't know though what the demon was. I wouldn't trust Jowan in educating young mages.Like what happened in the scene where we saw said mage become an abomination.
Or with Connar, Accepting deals with Demons again proves to be moronic.
I suppose... I mean I would say yes because people in DA sure know how to torture... Damn devs, I need to get the image that just came my thought out of my head.
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Demon possession actually kind of remind me of angelic possession in Supernatural. A host has to accept the angel (you have to say 'yes' specifically), but that doesn't mean an angel can't remove your organs or give you cancer to accept.
I can't believe I never thought about it. There is also resemblance between Angels and spirits, they are "good" but cannot function on human world. They are also god's first creation same as spirits who are maker's first creations.
I practically grew up with supernatural, started from 16 (season 1) and I never missed a single episode. Castiel is an auto-orgasm. *Cough* Why do you think I like a certain character who is possessed and good looking in DA. *Cough*
The difference is that the agreement is the only method for possession for both spirits and demons, while demons in Supernatural have a free pass in general (well, and demons are the Maker's first creations too).I can't believe I never thought about it. There is also resemblance between Angels and spirits, they are "good" but cannot function on human world. They are also god's first creation same as spirits who are maker's first creations.
I practically grew up with supernatural, started from 16 (season 1) and I never missed a single episode. Castiel is an auto-orgasm. *Cough* Why do you think I like a certain character who is possessed and good looking in DA. *Cough*
The difference is that the agreement is the only method for possession for both spirits and demons, while demons in Supernatural have a free pass in general.
Glad to see another Supernatural fan. Castiel is my favourite character (along with Crowley) as well.
*Likes Lucifer*
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I like Lucifer as well. Though Micheal would've beat the crap out of him.*Likes Lucifer*
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And I draw my inference that detecting demons isn't that hard because Anders, an abomination and a mage, is probably the closest thing to an expert Thedas has on the subject.
I wouldn't say he is a good example. Sure it is easy to detect abominations when you have a spirit dwelling in you as well. Most mages and even less Templars meet that criteria.
I wouldn't say he is a good example. Sure it is easy to detect abominations when you have a spirit dwelling in you as well. Most mages and even less Templars meet that criteria.
I don't think Anders has some kind of "spirit sense". He threw a magical attack at Keran and seemed satisfied that a lack of reaction should indicate no demon was present.
I love that the discussion veered toward Supernatural! 
Cas is my fave but I have room for all the guys! And Crowley. I have often found parallels to Supernatural and DA. But then, angels and demons is that kind of subject.
That is pretty much how 99% of the population feels about 99% of all fictional characters (AND real people) in existence.
I don't think Anders has some kind of "spirit sense". He threw a magical attack at Keran and seemed satisfied that a lack of reaction should indicate no demon was present.
I love that the discussion veered toward Supernatural!
I kind of wish there was a Crowley-type demon lurking about, something that is clearly demonic, but not another mook monster to kill outright.
In Broken Circle they had the mages locked behind a door in a tower. They were waiting for reinforcements so they could go in and kill them all. Therefore, I think it would have been possible to do the opposite. =D And I draw my inference that detecting demons isn't that hard because Anders, an abomination and a mage, is probably the closest thing to an expert Thedas has on the subject.
And yet everyone pretty much states the opposite.
As for Wilmod... I thought a forceful possession caused the host to become obviously disfigured?
Nah, depends entirely on the demon. Uldred was forcefully possesed too.
According the Dragon Age wiki, Wilmod transforms into a shade and a shade, according to the wiki, is thought to be a demon in true form as it appears outside the Fade or the spirit of the dead that returned. There's also mention in the wiki that some scholars believe a shade's confusion in the world leaves them unable to possess the living or dead. So... very confusing canon there.
Yup, someone dropped the ball. Whoever was designing that encounter probably thought shades look cool as enemies.
One of the biggest mistakes I see people making when something like that happens is that they try to come up with complex explanations or theories to explain it, when the simplest answer is "some dun fukked up!"
According to lore the only thing stopping a mage from not becoming an abomination is NOT WANTING to become one. The second the mage wants that it happens. Torturing or tricking someone to say yes doesn't count. Demons do it all the time, without it they cannot posses a mage. They can't just penetrate a mage lol.
Eh? Sauce please.
I don't think merely wanting hard enough is enough of a defense.
Yup. Accepting the demons' offers doesn't mean that mages (or in the case of Veil tears/demon outbreaks, mundanes) have to be willing to be possessed.
Even Uldred was forced into accepting the demon's 'offer'.
Yup, someone dropped the ball. Whoever was designing that encounter probably thought shades look cool as enemies.
One of the biggest mistakes I see people making when something like that happens is that they try to come up with complex explanations or theories to explain it, when the simplest answer is "some dun fukked up!"
Didn't the Shades and Sloth Demons have the same appearance in DA2? I mean, Torpor looked like a Shade when he was a demon of Sloth.
Eh? Sauce please.
I don't think merely wanting hard enough is enough of a defense.
I could dig something up but no demon ever possessed a mage out of nowhere. Either tricks or torture was involved. Its not about "want" exactly, its more about the Mage's will to resist. Demons either break that will or trick them.
Didn't the Shades and Sloth Demons have the same appearance in DA2? I mean, Torpor looked like a Shade when he was a demon of Sloth.
Well, He's an interesting enough character but I never found him all that appealing as a potential LI.
I could dig something up but no demon ever possessed a mage out of nowhere. Either tricks or torture was involved. Its not about "want" exactly, its more about the Mage's will to resist. Demons either break that will or trick them.
Thrask's daughter was possessed when she attempted to cast a spell while experiencing extreme duress.
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