Thrask's daughter was possessed when she attempted to cast a spell while experiencing extreme duress.
"help me please, anyone..." gets on the ground while fully desperate. She was not casting a spell. Do you cast spell on your knees facing the ground?
Its likely she heard a voice like "do you want help?" and as we see she has no will at that time whatsoever... You know what happened.
He hands were on fire BEFORE she even opened her mouth to speak.
He hands were on fire BEFORE she even opened her mouth to speak.
SHE was on fire, while turning to an abomination. Not just the hands.
Indeed. However BEFORE she even made an effort to speak, she was defending herself from slavers. Obviously she was trying to cast a spell, since her hands were on fire BEFORE she was possessed.
Indeed. However BEFORE she even made an effort to speak, she was defending herself from slavers. Obviously she was trying to cast a spell, since her hands were on fire BEFORE she was possessed.
Its likely she was thinking about her fate while being desperate. She lost her will before speaking therefore she was already turning while a man said get her hand, I hear they can't cast spells without the hands. Then the abomination says you know nothing of magic.
The casting of spells is not related to her possession, the act of possession started when she was on the ground, begging someone to help her. The demon heard her.
It is a possibility yes. But since we already got from Wynne, that a single slip is all it takes for a mage, a motion out of sync or a sylable muttered incorrectly and they open themselves to possession, the alternative is just as valid a possibility. Bottom line, your claim that a demon must always trick or torture a mage to possess them is incorrect.
It is a possibility yes. But since we already got from Wynne, that a single slip is all it takes for a mage, a motion out of sync or a sylable muttered incorrectly and they open themselves to possession, the alternative is just as valid a possibility. Bottom line, your claim that a demon must always trick or torture a mage to possess them is incorrect.
Well that was not my claim exactly. I said break their will or trick them not necessarily torture. Mages whom their will is already broken are easy prey.
But as Wynne points out, that is not the case, since a mage can lower their own defenses through faulty spell casting, opening themselves up to demonic possession.
Mhrghm, I would call it the 'Alistair Affect', under these tenuous definitions:
To this note, it'd be interesting to make a poll on whether a person had previously romanced Alistair and if they now want to romance Cullen.
Also, it would appear Anders fits some of this criteria. Especially if one replaces the first line for a description of Alistair's humour (Anders in DAO:A).
The developers also addressed abominations appearing as though summoned from the ground was simply a game mechanic, and not reflective of the narrative or lore, so I think time and budget constraints affected the outcome and depiction of certain elements.
I'd love to see more unique models for certain demonic characters. In DA:O, the sloth demon we encounter in the Circle is identical to other abominations, and when we meet it again in the Fade, it's an arcane horror. I suppose it would be asking a lot to see unique single-use designs for enemies that are mostly throwaway, like the desire demons and such, but it sure would be nice.
Mhrghm, I would call it the 'Alistair Affect', under these tenuous definitions:
- He's a character that's initially awkward, nervous and shy, but can be propositioned for romantic advances.
- He has some relation to the Templars, in whatever shape or form (whether hunted by, trained as etc).
- He has a shaved goatee, ginger-like (or blonde esque) brown hair and a quite square face.
- He's a character that's been through difficult hardship in their life, which itself can be conversed about.
To this note, it'd be interesting to make a poll on whether a person had previously romanced Alistair and if they now want to romance Cullen.
Also, it would appear Anders fits some of this criteria. Especially if one replaces the first line for a description of Alistair's humour (Anders in DAO:A).
- Yes, he was awkward in DA:O and it was painfully awful 
Confident Cullen > Goofy Cullen
- Alistair wanted absolutely nothing to do with the Templars and didn't see himself as a religious person, didn't hate mages and wasn't a Templar
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I agree there are similarities
-Every character has been through difficult hardship in their life. Leliana, Sten, Zevran, Merrill, Fenris, Anders, Isabela, Shale, Oghren and Sebastian to name a few. Cullen's difficult hardship is very different from Alistair's.
Also, since Alistair was the only straight male LI in DA:O and LIs were limited in general that poll doesn't seem like it would offer any interesting information.
I don't think Anders has some kind of "spirit sense". He threw a magical attack at Keran and seemed satisfied that a lack of reaction should indicate no demon was present.
I think the fact that Merrill and Anders can detect the lack of spirit while mage Hawke cannot suggests that some knowledge of spirit magic (Anders' connection with Justice or Merrill ' blood magic) is necessary for spirit detection.
Merrill is debateable, but Anders's method is basically, "Attack it and if it doesn't attack back, it's not there." I wouldn't say that's reliable.
1. I think Merrill seemed pretty oblivious (she couldn't tell demon from her Keeper). Anders, in the other hand, had some experience, being the abomination and all that.
2. I cannot say I know Cullen well enough to consider him Alistair's clone, tbh. He came across as very devout, gritty person who does not take anything lightly. Alistair was compassionate, idealistic and carefree... nah, not really the same imho. But then again, i probably missed most of Cullen's (and Alistair's) dialogues... so I wouldn't know.
Anyway, Bioware is unable to create uninteresting character, don't worry too much 
Anyway, Bioware is unable to create uninteresting character, don't worry too much
That's debateable
That's debateable
Umm... I cannot think of an example. Who do you consider uninteresting?
Umm... I cannot think of an example. Who do you consider uninteresting?
Jacob - ME2 & 3, Fenris, Finn - Witch Hunt, Bethany (she felt underdeveloped), Samara
I always found it hard to take Cullen seriously whenever he showed up in my DA games, because of the fan worship I saw for him on this site -- even before I started playing DA. That said, I was recently playing DA2 again, and I can't help but like him.
Overrated, but still...
I think the fact that Merrill and Anders can detect the lack of spirit while mage Hawke cannot suggests that some knowledge of spirit magic (Anders' connection with Justice or Merrill ' blood magic) is necessary for spirit detection.
For Merrill, that may be true, but I get the feeling that Anders's ability to detect the demon comes more from his Circle training rather than his relationship with Justice. He doesn't sense the demon, but he knows that if a demon feels threatened, it will defend itself. Cullen, with his templar training, seems to have come to the same conclusion in his confrontation with Wilmod. Which makes sense. Both Anders and Cullen received their training from a Chantry-sanctioned source, so it makes sense that there would be some overlap. And it would make sense that it would not be infallible. All it would take would be one demon who knew how to keep its cool until it could assess the threat level. The low-powered ones who typically possess others might not be capable of that, but I'm willing to bet that the most powerful sentient ones are capable of that kind of restraint.
Sorry for the off-topic rambling. It's just that I find the subject interesting.
Merrill is debateable, but Anders's method is basically, "Attack it and if it doesn't attack back, it's not there." I wouldn't say that's reliable.
Especially since his attack will clearly be non-lethal, so the demon would have nothing to fear. At least Cullen acted with the intention of he would kill the possessed Templar if Weylon couldn't prove he was not possessed.
It would bee super Awsome if cullen is indeed party member but like super gay .
Jacob - ME2 & 3, Fenris, Finn - Witch Hunt, Bethany (she felt underdeveloped), Samara
But that is all opinion. I didn't like Jacob much, but Samara was interesting fit what she presented about Asari culture. I loved Fenris despite all his brood. I do feel like Bethany is stuck in the shadow of a more interesting Carver, but I do like her. Can't comment much on Finn as I've only played witch hunt once.
Not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but what's ingesting about characters is different for different people.
I know, that's kinda the point I was trying to get across
1. I think Merrill seemed pretty oblivious (she couldn't tell demon from her Keeper). Anders, in the other hand, had some experience, being the abomination and all that.
Merrill used Kerran's blood to detect if there were any "demons" inside him, while the same wasn't true for when Audacity possessed Marethari.
I just think Merrill would end up as demon fodder if it weren't for Hawke. I hope in DA:I our mighty protagonist, if a mage, will be able to detect demons without his companions help.
Edit:
Templars in DA2 weren't very good at their job, I mean you could activate blood magic in the center of gallows (well, it's not slitting wrists but, damn it, should count for something) and nothing happened.
Possibly I missed the whole point, this thread is way too long (and, fortunately, filled with interesting off-topics)
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