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[Senya]

I like Merrill, but she has a martyrdom complex. That is a form of pride, which attracts demons to a Mage. Along with blood magic.

[LobselVith8]

I just think Merrill would end up as demon fodder if it weren't for Hawke. I hope in DA:I our mighty protagonist, if a mage, will be able to detect demons without his companions help.

 

I don't think that would be the case for Merrill, considering how adept she is at magic, and her proficiency with blood magic for nearly a decade.

 

As for detecting demons, that might require the protagonist to be a blood mage.

 

Templars in DA2 weren't very good at their job, I mean you could activate blood magic in the center of gallows (well, it's not slitting wrists but, damn it, should count for something) and nothing happened.

 

Possibly I missed the whole point, this thread is way too long (and, fortunately, filled with interesting off-topics)

 

Unfortunately, the mage point of view is mostly absent in the narrative of Dragon Age II. Which is why Sebastian never comments on apostate Hawke being an illegal mage outside the Circle.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

(...) I don't think that would be the case for Merrill, considering how adept she is at magic, and her proficiency with blood magic for nearly a decade. (...)

Well, I cannot deny her proficiency with magic. She's so naive and sweet, she'd hug demons to death.

[LobselVith8]

I like Merrill, but she has a martyrdom complex. That is a form of pride, which attracts demons to a Mage. Along with blood magic.

 

I don't see how Merrill being proactive about the plight of the People gives her a 'matyrdom complex'. I see it as a refusal to do nothing when the Elvhen are facing a number of problems by trying to provide them with advanced, revolutionary technology that might be able to irrevocably change their lives for the better. I admire her attempt to do something to help improve the lives of her people, especially in contrast to how the Champion is depicted throughout the narrative.

[Grieving Natashina]

Thank you.

[pallascedar]

Q: Would Cullen be a companion if he didn't have a large fan base?
A: No

Cullen will be a companion if the writers decide it would make sense for a templar who was at Kirkwall should be in the party. No other character would fit that role better than him.

If there isn't room for a templar in the party, or if they want that templar to be Orlesian or someone under Lambert, whatever, then Cullen won't be in the party. They're not gonna change the story because some people like a character.

[Grieving Natashina]

I like Merrill, but she has a martyrdom complex. That is a form of pride, which attracts demons to a Mage. Along with blood magic.

Yeah, I feel the same way.  Although, we're right back off topic by discussing her.  Unless, this is in regards to Cullen possibly being a companion and dealing with mages?  I also have been curious; since the devs did state that specializations are going to have an impact with regards to NPC interaction, do you think Cullen would try to kill a BM Inquisitor, or do you think he could be swayed?

 

I bet on the former myself, but what do you guys think?

 

@Palla: No need to feed those that live under bridges.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

We don't know if Cullen is companion. But I think, Cassandra should at least object courting

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Yeah, I feel the same way.  Although, we're right back off topic by discussing her.  Unless, this is in regards to Cullen possibly being a companion and dealing with mages?  I also have been curious; since the devs did state that specializations are going to have an impact with regards to NPC interaction, do you think Cullen would try to kill a BM Inquisitor, or do you think he could be swayed?

 

I bet on the former myself, but what do you guys think?

I'd think Cullen would try to kill a BM Inquisitor, unless there was a persuasion skill and it was high enough. It would be like in Origins, a companion/NPC could attack but a high persuasion skill could prevent them from doing so.

But, I'm not even sure if Coercion is a thing. 

[Grieving Natashina]

We don't know if Cullen is companion. But I think, Cassandra should at least object courting

How come?  You think the two of them would get together if the PC and Cullen didn't?  

 

Okay, maybe I need to read up on more of the EU, but from what I've seen of Cassandra, I just can't picture it.

 

@Rainbow: True.  I think it'll come down to a persuasion check.  Otherwise he'll just leave.  I can see him being like Sten though; trying to take over a lead for the party, fight the PC, lose and then leave.  

[Lorien19]

Look at his post history.   I usually don't say this, but this guy is a troll.  Ignore, report and move on.

Oh that,I could tell,when the attack became a little more personal(Belittling my character analysis skills, man seriously ?This madness!  ) 

 

We are getting this thread  back  on track ladies and gentlemen. Please be civil.

But we are Civil here,no swearing or improprieties of any kind..Nothing to see really...As far as I'm concerned I didn't insult anyone...

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh that,I could tell,when the attack became a little more personal(Belittling my character analysis skills, man seriously ?This madness!  ) 

 

But we are Civil here,no swearing or improprieties of any kind..Nothing to see really...As far as I'm concerned I didn't insult anyone...

LOL I don't think the mod was upset with most of the regular posters.  

[Innsmouth Dweller]

How come?  You think the two of them would get together if the PC and Cullen didn't?  

 

Okay, maybe I need to read up on more of the EU, but from what I've seen of Cassandra, I just can't picture it.

Umm... no, what I meant is Cass had some pretty bad experiences with blood mages, so I'd imagine she wouldn't be happy if Inquisitor was one. And I'm completly disregarding Cullen since he's not confirmed companion. If he was, I imagine, he would share Cass's view on BM Inquisitor.

[Grieving Natashina]

Umm... no, what I meant is Cass had some pretty bad experiences with blood mages, so I'd imagine she wouldn't be happy if Inquisitor was one. And I'm completly disregarding Cullen since he's not confirmed companion. If he was, I imagine, he would share Cass's view on BM Inquisitor.

Ah, okay, I misunderstood.  My apologizes.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Ah, okay, I misunderstood.  My apologizes.

No need, my english sux and I usually skip few equations ahead

[Lorien19]

LOL I don't think the mod was upset with most of the regular posters.  

Well,he was discussing with me so I kind of unwillingly contributed to "the trolling" a little...

 

Umm... no, what I meant is Cass had some pretty bad experiences with blood mages, so I'd imagine she wouldn't be happy if Inquisitor was one. And I'm completly disregarding Cullen since he's not confirmed companion. If he was, I imagine, he would share Cass's view on BM Inquisitor.

Considering that Cassandra's experience with blood magic was a traumatic as Cullen's,so yes they probably wouldn't...In fact I can see her holding a very negative position towards BM and due to her personality I expect her outrage to be more violent.

[Grieving Natashina]

No need, my english sux and I usually skip few equations ahead

Hehe, no worries.  If you don't mind me asking, are you from a Nordic country?  The name made me curious.  If it's too personal, then please ignore me.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

(...)

Considering that Cassandra's experience with blood magic was a traumatic as Cullen's,so yes they probably wouldn't...In fact I can see her holding a very negative position towards BM and due to her personality I expect her outrage to be more violent.

I just wish she confronted blood mage PC at some point in the game.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Hehe, no worries.  If you don't mind me asking, are you from a Nordic country?

Nah, I'm from Poland, just enthusiastic about Norse mythology

[Grieving Natashina]

I just wish she confronted blood mage PC at some point in the game.

Lack of confrontation over being a blood mage in DA2 was indeed a little immersion breaking.  Thankfully, they aren't making that mistake again.  

 

Back to the topic of Cullen, I did really enjoy one thing about his character.  Randomly going back to the Gallows to chat with him even if the game doesn't direct you to can not only give some neat little details about Kirkwall, but you actually learn quite a bit about him.  I enjoy bits of flavor dialogue like that.

 

@Skuld: Gotcha.    I'm impressed by the way.  Your english is pretty good.

[pallascedar]

Yeah, I feel the same way. Although, we're right back off topic by discussing her. Unless, this is in regards to Cullen possibly being a companion and dealing with mages? I also have been curious; since the devs did state that specializations are going to have an impact with regards to NPC interaction, do you think Cullen would try to kill a BM Inquisitor, or do you think he could be swayed?

I bet on the former myself, but what do you guys think?

@Palla: No need to feed those that live under bridges.

Oooops.

Well, he certainly wouldn't get along well with that Inquisitor . Probably wouldn't come to blows first thing though.

Merrill is slightly relevant add a counterpoint to the view a character like Cullen would hold of Blood Magic. I wood argue that in ten years her magic never directly hurt anyone (except hundreds of baddies). Pol died because he feared her irrationally (because of Marethari). Marethari died because she paid a price Merrill had already been willing to pay by herself. Finally, she was prepared for the worst, she brought Hawke with her because she needed someone to kill her in case possession did happen.

So not super relevant, but If we're discussing a templar beliefs is worth pointing out evidence that might show other truths.

[Lorien19]

Nah, I'm from Poland, just enthusiastic about Norse mythology

Oh!Glad to see there are more of us....

[Lorien19]

Oooops.

Well, he certainly wouldn't get along well with that Inquisitor . Probably wouldn't come to blows first thing though.

Merrill is slightly relevant add a counterpoint to the view a character like Cullen would hold of Blood Magic. I wood argue that in ten years her magic never directly hurt anyone (except hundreds of baddies). Pol died because he feared her irrationally (because of Marethari). Marethari died because she paid a price Merrill had already been willing to pay by herself. Finally, she was prepared for the worst, she brought Hawke with her because she needed someone to kill her in case possession did happen.

So not super relevant, but If we're discussing a templar beliefs is worth pointing out evidence that might show other truths.

Yes Merrill herself is the proof that,the use of blood magic as potent and controversial it may be =/ that its practise is always used by malicious people for malicious purposes...

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, I feel the same way.  Although, we're right back off topic by discussing her.   

 

I don't feel that way at all about her. Although the Dalish aspect to the character does make me curious about how Cullen would react to a Dalish mage protagonist, or a Vashoth mage, as the two are non-Andrastian. Cullen has used the term 'heathen' in Origins and Dragon Age II, in reference to encountering Oghren during the crisis in the Circle Tower, and years later when addressing the Qunari in Kirkwall.

 

I'm wondering how he'll react to a free mage amassing political and military power who isn't of Andrastian faith.

 

Unless, this is in regards to Cullen possibly being a companion and dealing with mages?  I also have been curious; since the devs did state that specializations are going to have an impact with regards to NPC interaction, do you think Cullen would try to kill a BM Inquisitor, or do you think he could be swayed?

 

I bet on the former myself, but what do you guys think?

 

I suppose Cullen's reaction to a mage Inquisitor would depend on which templar faction he's affiliated with, given the schism from Lambert's defection into his own autonomous unit.

 

As to whether not not he could be swayed, I think his past experiences being tortured by malevolent blood mages would color how he would view a blood mage protagonist. It would also depend on when the protagonist learns blood magic, and perhaps the relationship Cullen may have forged with this individual at this point in time.