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[Zazzerka]

One blood mage against another. Bring it on, then.

 

Wait, so how does Cullen feel about his "beloved" being a blood mage? I'd figured most of his fans were pro-mage, but pro-bloooooood maaaaaaagic?!

[LobselVith8]

However, with Meredith not giving the orders, Cullen would be in charge. He seemed much more hesitant in having a hand in the Annulment, which I think is noteworthy.

I can understand where Xil is coming from, given the Bethany scene (that enraged me to no end). I would have preferred that Cullen stop Meredith over the Right of Annulment, rather than threatening the Champion, specifically. As though he has a thing for the Amells or something.

[Xilizhra]

However, with Meredith not giving the orders, Cullen would be in charge. He seemed much more hesitant in having a hand in the Annulment, which I think is noteworthy.

So he would stand down the templars and let the mages leave peacefully, then?

 

 

I can understand where Xil is coming from, given the Bethany scene (that enraged me to no end). I would have preferred that Cullen stop Meredith over the Right of Annulment, rather than threatening the Champion, specifically. As though he has a thing for the Amells or something.

The Bethany scene no longer bothers me quite so much, after finishing a warrior playthrough and coming to the conclusion that Bethany is completely spineless.

[LobselVith8]

So he would stand down the templars and let the mages leave peacefully, then?

I have to wonder. Is he still in the Order if he backs down from trying to arrest/kill the Champion, who has presumably diverting templar attention away from the fleeing mages?

The Bethany scene no longer bothers me quite so much, after finishing a warrior playthrough and coming to the conclusion that Bethany is completely spineless.

It simply comes across as unrealistic (or spineless) that Hawke does nothing, in light of the revelations made in Tranquility (about mages being made tranquil illegally). That still bothers me.

[Xilizhra]

I have to wonder. Is he still in the Order if he backs down from trying to arrest/kill the Champion, who has presumably diverting templar attention away from the fleeing mages?

A revelation for Inquisition, I suspect.

 

It simply comes across as unrealistic (or spineless) that Hawke does nothing, in light of the revelations made in Tranquility (about mages being made tranquil illegally). That still bothers me.

Hawke's outnumbered and has vulnerable civilians in the house, so engaging in a fight, realistically, would be far too dangerous.

[LobselVith8]

Hawke's outnumbered and has vulnerable civilians in the house, so engaging in a fight, realistically, would be far too dangerous.

Hawke is outnumbered by Cullen and one other templar. That's it. If my sister's very humanity was on the line, I'd risk my life to save her from becoming a tranquil, or worse.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have to wonder. Is he still in the Order if he backs down from trying to arrest/kill the Champion, who has presumably diverting templar attention away from the fleeing mages?

I wouldn't think so, since with the death of Meredith he is now in command of the Templars in Kirkwall, and the RoA had been completed or seen as enacted on a basis of a paranoid woman and thus ended.

[Xilizhra]

Hawke is outnumbered by Cullen and one other templar. That's it. If my sister's very humanity was on the line, I'd risk my life to save her from becoming a tranquil, or worse.

But if Bethany resists, they can kill her, and if she doesn't resist, they can use her as a shield... or Leandra, for that matter.

[SamaraDraven]

But if Bethany resists, they can kill her, and if she doesn't resist, they can use her as a shield... or Leandra, for that matter.

 

Bethany chooses not to resist. In my warrior play-throughs, when Hawke is flat out refusing to let them take her, she begs Hawke not to cause a scene and then gives Cullen this insipid smile and says "Maybe it won't be so bad." I may support the Templars' basic idea of keeping track of and schooling mages, and I may think Cullen is still naive and misguided and has potential but despite this, there's something very weird to me about crushing on the man who has come to take you from your home. I want to see the system of Circles totally revolutionized but as it was then, it was far too much like a prison for Bethany's feelings to be cute.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bethany chooses not to resist. In my warrior play-throughs, when Hawke is flat out refusing to let them take her, she begs Hawke not to cause a scene and then gives Cullen this insipid smile and says "Maybe it won't be so bad." I may support the Templars' basic idea of keeping track of and schooling mages, and I may think Cullen is still naive and misguided and has potential but despite this, there's something very weird to me about crushing on the man who has come to take you from your home. I want to see the system of Circles totally revolutionized but as it was then, it was far too much like a prison for Bethany's feelings to be cute.

I always thought the smile was more to ease Cullen from engaging Hawke more than her crushing on him. A smile is a great way out of a tense situation.

[SamaraDraven]

I always thought the smile was more to ease Cullen from engaging Hawke more than her crushing on him. A smile is a great way out of a tense situation.

 

She later writes to Hawke and, despite her words, she seems too happy to be at the circle as compared to being with the Grey Wardens. It just seemed that she felt she was going where she belonged and was thinking she'd be happy there because of Cullen. I dunno... I'm probably projecting too much because Bethany irks me.

 

Stockholm Syndrome.

 

(For anyone not familiar: http://en.wikipedia....ckholm_syndrome )

 

For what its' worth I don't believe at all Bethany had a crush on Cullen. Just responding to the bolded above.

 

I guess I think that at the very beginning, the conditions that lead to Stockholme Syndrome weren't in play yet and her doe-eyed smile was genuine. Maybe I'm wrong. It has been a while since I've played and my last 2 play-throughs were mages.

[Xilizhra]

She later writes to Hawke and, despite her words, she seems too happy to be at the circle as compared to being with the Grey Wardens.

Bethany fetishizes "normality," in addition to having a certain love of comfort and stability, which the Circle can provide. Also, she seems to be fine with being told what to do.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She later writes to Hawke and, despite her words, she seems too happy to be at the circle as compared to being with the Grey Wardens. It just seemed that she felt she was going where she belonged and was thinking she'd be happy there because of Cullen. I dunno... I'm probably projecting too much because Bethany irks me.

She thinks she belongs there because she blames her magic on all the hardships her family had to endure for her.

[Battlebloodmage]

Stockholm Syndrome.

 

(For anyone not familiar: http://en.wikipedia....ckholm_syndrome )

 

For what its' worth I don't believe at all Bethany had a crush on Cullen. Just responding to the bolded above.

If Disney teaches us anything, you should love someone who kidnapped your father and trapped you into a hopeless relationship. 

[SamaraDraven]

Bethany fetishizes "normality," in addition to having a certain love of comfort and stability, which the Circle can provide. Also, she seems to be fine with being told what to do.

 

True.

 

She thinks she belongs there because she blames her magic on all the hardships her family had to endure for her.

 

That's part of what irks me about her, though, that she feels that way. And after all that time of others fighting for her she didn't fight for herself. It bugged me.

 

 

Eh, I don't equate Bethany having a crush on Cullen, so I don't equate Bethany with having Stockholm Syndrome. Only with the idea that someone "might" develop some kind of crush/connection/ect on their captor. That's all!

 

I guess I did read that into Bethany's demeanor. To each their own. I just, for my part, can't take too much of Bethany. I prefer Carver's bratty behavior. Probably because of my little brothers. I knew how to roll with that. lol!

[LobselVith8]

Bethany fetishizes "normality," in addition to having a certain love of comfort and stability, which the Circle can provide. Also, she seems to be fine with being told what to do.

Bethany does admit she used to think the Maker wants her locked away in the Circle Tower, during the Gallows goodbye scene when she says she finally realizes that her people don't deserve to be imprisoned simply for being mages.

That doesn't change my opinion of Hawke doing nothing to protect his sister.

[Xilizhra]

Bethany does admit she used to think the Maker wants her locked away in the Circle Tower, during the Gallows goodbye scene when she says she finally realizes that her people don't deserve to be imprisoned simply for being mages.

That doesn't change my opinion of Hawke doing nothing to protect his sister.

She still sounds creepily dronelike, which is why I'm now happy to stay playing as a mage from this point onward.

[SamaraDraven]

Hey, it wasn't my fault my Hawke didn't protect Bethany. The game didn't let me.

 

Right? The game forces you to make a choice that has 3 potential outcomes. One, Bethany dies in the Deep Roads. Two, Bethany becomes a Grey Warden. Three, Bethany goes to the circle. Fighting for her at this point isn't a possibility. Though Bethany's own insistence on Hawke not fighting probably has more to do with Hawke not fighting. So it's Bethany I have a problem with. You can lead a horse to water....

[LobselVith8]

She still sounds creepily dronelike, which is why I'm now happy to stay playing as a mage from this point onward.

I prefer being an apostate Champion as well.

[wcholcombe]

Currently replaying DAO. Just did the circle, I think Cullen is a well written character in both DAO and DA2.

In DAO he has just watched his friends be destroyed by templars and is probably suffering from shock, but his point is well reasoned and believable.

Not sure the impetus for his change to DA2, but he is one of the better written characters in DA2.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bethany is much better than her jerk of a twin Carver. If you leave him behind, he joins the Templars even though you are a mage. That's the biggest middle finger I think any companion has ever given the protagonist in any Bioware game.