Weird, I thought DA:O's characters better while the plot of DA2 was superior.
I mean, how does one compare Alistair and Morrigan to Isabela and Varric.
Seriously...
I agree. While I love Varric, I missed the humor of the first game. The banters were just pure gold.
I agree. While I love Varric, I missed the humor of the first game. The banters were just pure gold.
I personally found DA2 much funnier than DAO!
Did you never bring Isabela in your party? Her banters with almost everyone are hilarious. She and Aveline, in particular, have me in constant stitches. Varric's banters are great too but you already said you like him. Merrill's constant naivety was also a steady source of funny and adorable dialogue.
I personally found DA2 much funnier than DAO!
Did you never bring Isabela in your party? Her banters with almost everyone are hilarious. She and Aveline, in particular, have me in constant stitches. Varric's banters are great too but you already said you like him. Merrill's constant naivety was also a steady source of funny and adorable dialogue.
I actually disagree. The DA2 characters were played for laughs in the same "sitcom" kind of way, which is to take their main distinguishing trait (Merrill = naive, Isabela = promiscuous, Varric = liar, etc) and either ham it way up, apply it to a situation where it is ridiculous, or just plain refer to it with tongue in cheek. While it can be funny, it also doesn't ring very true at the same time - no-one could actually be as naive as Merrill was made out to be.
In DA:O, by contrast, each character had their own unique style of humour. Alistair was a sarcastic wise-******. Shale was blunt and acerbic. Oghren cracked half-assed vulgarities. Even Sten was a deadpan troll at times. It really gives characters great depth when they not only have different opinions and personality traits, but even senses of humour too.
I can say 'cracked' but not 'cra.cker'? Weird.
I actually disagree. The DA2 characters were played for laughs in the same "sitcom" kind of way, which is to take their main distinguishing trait (Merrill = naive, Isabela = promiscuous, Varric = liar, etc) and either ham it way up, apply it to a situation where it is ridiculous, or just plain refer to it with tongue in cheek. While it can be funny, it also doesn't ring very true at the same time - no-one could actually be as naive as Merrill was made out to be.
In DA:O, by contrast, each character had their own unique style of humour. Alistair was a sarcastic wise-******. Shale was blunt and acerbic. Oghren cracked half-assed vulgarities. Even Sten was a deadpan troll at times. It really gives characters great depth when they not only have different opinions and personality traits, but even senses of humour too.
You know ... I get what you're saying. I guess I just didn't find myself laughing as much during Origins, even if the humor was more genuine when it happened.
Shale is an exception. I laughed at every other sentence that came out of Shale's mouth. God I love her.
DA2 is not a bad game by any means, but it's plot does not stand up to DA:O due to a lack of any cohesive arc to tie the three acts together. I also had issues with some of the companions and the ending was horribly rushed. However, I already talked about my issues with DA2's plot in more detail on another thread and feel like repeating myself here would be redundant. I'll just link it here http://forum.bioware...ate/?p=17644754
I personally found DA2 much funnier than DAO!
Did you never bring Isabela in your party? Her banters with almost everyone are hilarious. She and Aveline, in particular, have me in constant stitches. Varric's banters are great too but you already said you like him. Merrill's constant naivety was also a steady source of funny and adorable dialogue.
I did. Ferretinabun explained my thoughts exactly.
I did not. The was just too much wrong with DA2 for me. It was not enjoyable to play for me. I only finished it because of how much I had enjoyed DA:O and DA:A (despite some terrible QA). I cannot bring myself to play DA2 a second time, even after all this time.
I really can't find myself liking Dragon Age 2 more. Dragon Age II had way too much going to the same environment, fighting the same cluster of enemies with the same tactical issues. Dragon Age Origins had a variety of situations and environments. I think a lot of the folks who preferred Dragon Age 2's combat system wanted a more action-RPG feel, and they certainly got it. It's certainly not wrong. Just wasn't my cup of tea. I think everyone agrees that the repeat environments were a drag and a display of the rushed nature of the sequel.
One of my favorite parts of Origins was being able to play it with a significant other or random friends - they got to pick the dialogue choices (which weren't weighted) and we laughed at the consequences. I really disliked that the dialogue choices were streamined into Paragon/Snarky/Renegade. While both voice actors did a great job with it, I missed the hot potato dialogue.
I'm not here to argue which game was better. I believe which game you think is better reflects on what kind of game you like to play more than the quality of the experience.
I like Dragon Age 2, but it is indeed a very incompleted game that should of not had been released to the public. When I play the game I feel as if I'm a beta tester, and not the actual consumer who just purchase the game for entertainment reasons, since it feels way to incomplete in my taste. The story seem rushed, and the characters, especially Knight Captain Cullen, have absolutely no AI whatsoever. I mean as a mage character who just came ashore in Kirkwall ( A templar dominating city) inside Templar’s headquarters; The gallows... I had to fight a group of Marauders in front of the guards at an attempt to get inside the city. I've used magic as my weapon, and nothing came out of it. No consequences, and no Templar’s chasing me down, and wanting to take me to the circle. Same goes for the rest of the fights that occur in the city. I find it hard to believe that nobody in broad daylight saw me using magic.
As a mage I would of liked to have experience Circle life in Kirkwall. If I was playing as a warrior/rogue I would of wanted to plan the escape of my sister... whom was taken to the circle.
I'm in the process of going through DA2 again just after an Origins play through, and yes I like it more than Origins. It has it's issues sure, but I enjoy the gameplay speed, story ( well the third act has problems ), and characters more. Snarky Lady Hawke is one of the greatest characters in video game history IMO.
Strongly disagree.
DA2 for me is much worse game than DAO. It is more slasher with good story than something else. But some characters is boring and made with too much cliche.
DA-O was very replayable, on hard. I want to finish it with different characters. My first playthrough with DA2 I didn't even finish it. Only second time after a year - i give it a secont try... And it was mediocre at best and i want to just finish it fast for plot, But gameplay, and repeatable caverns was boring.
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I like DA2 about as much as DA:O. They have pros and cons that seem to balance one another out. I will always have a special place in my heart for DA2 because it was the first Dragon Age game I ever played through. I played DA:O after the fact. So DA2 was my introduction to the "lore." Honestly I think it was a very good introduction since DA2 is smaller, more tightly knit, and it kind of holds the player's hand through a very well crafted storyline.
I like the Voiced Hawke compared to silent Warden and my goodness has Origin's combat not aged well at all.
I like DA2 a lot, though it took me a long time to actually get into it. I like most of the characters, love that Hawke has a voice and while there were less dialogue options to choose from, it is good the way it is (and sarcastic Hawke will never stop being funny). I also prefer DA2's fast paced combat over DAO's combat, it's so horribly slow. Hawke can fire five spells in the time it takes the Warden to fire just one.
DAO has a slightly better story though... and Alistair. He's still the best.
But yeah, DA2 does not deserve all the crap it's getting, it's a good solid game and even though I've beaten it a bunch of times I still see myself playing it again in the future. I've gotten REALLY attached to my Hawke!
So what is the general consensus, if I may ask? I never got around to playing any Dragon Age, even though I've been aware of it, but what I've seen of Inquisition has re-sparked my interest. But I want to do it properly, none of that "third game in the trilogy is a great jumping in point" malarkey. That said, what I've seen of DA2 is kind of putting me off.
So in general, are all the negative comments on 2 deserved? Is it a good game despite the negatives?
So what is the general consensus, if I may ask? I never got around to playing any Dragon Age, even though I've been aware of it, but what I've seen of Inquisition has re-sparked my interest. But I want to do it properly, none of that "third game in the trilogy is a great jumping in point" malarkey. That said, what I've seen of DA2 is kind of putting me off.
So in general, are all the negative comments on 2 deserved? Is it a good game despite the negatives?
If you're expecting a similar playstyle like in DAO (which is what I think a lot of people did when it came out) you'll be disappointed. DA2 just plays very differently.
If you go into it with an open mind though, and don't view it as a sequel to DAO (gameplay wise, not story wise) and try to ignore the horrid repetition of the same dungeon and house over and over and over again (Bioware did screw up there), it's a good enjoyable game.
And if you end up not liking it, I still recommend to finish at least one playthrough, because of the references and returning characters in DAI. The Qunari missions are really fun and I personally think the end of the game is AWESOME. But that's just me 
I see, thanks. Yeah, I think one playthrough at least is in order, just to get the references and things.
Can somebody who thinks DA2 has a great story please sum it up for me?
I went through DA Keep and it made me realise just how poor that game is.
Can somebody who thinks DA2 has a great story please sum it up for me?
I went through DA Keep and it made me realise just how poor that game is.
DA2 doesn't have a great story. It's made up of a mixture of subplots. It doesn't have a central overarching narrative other than Hawke's rise to fame (or infamy).
That's why I like it the most, plot-wise, actually. It's more grounded in the "real world" (for a ficitonal universe, anyway) rather than being about some ancient eldritch abomination trying to kill everyone.
I felt like DA2's writing took a real step down. It definitely felt like the B-team took over. The characters were on the whole much worse, I felt. Varric really tried.
I didn't like the lack of choices in Hawke's dialogue, but I liked Hawke's voice acting quite a lot.
Combat was more exciting in DA2, playing on console. Unfortunately the game felt way too repetitive, to the effect of becoming a real slog.
DA:2 is still my favourite DA game, for it is RPG in the everyday sense of the world. If you play a different personality, people react differently, you come to see different sides of people. And that is what I adore/love/enjoy in role playing.
In real life you never got to see the 'what if I chose that instead", but in an RPG you get to see it. And the reactions were quite different, enjoyably different enough for consecutive play throughs. The scenery is less important for me, so not even repetition was an issue to me.
I've had to grudgingly admit this to myself over time. I love both games of course, and I'm totally planning to go through all three again, but I'm just more attracted to the tone, atmosphere, style and visual direction of DA2. I think the setting really came more into its own where DA:O had some generic fantasy growing pains. I'm much more attached to many of the characters as well. I also have come to like the tight focus of the story. For such a rushed production they really did come out with something good. Flawed, sure, but good.
Now I'll admit I was pretty pissy about the game at first like everyone else, but after my second playthrough, thanks to several character factors that got me more invested (liking the male voice actor for Hawke more, romancing Fenris as a mage, finding Carver more interesting than Bethany) and paying more close attention to the story rather than nitpicking everything, I really did start to love it.
Can somebody who thinks DA2 has a great story please sum it up for me?
I went through DA Keep and it made me realise just how poor that game is.
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