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[k1rage]

 im still P!ssed off that Oghren never got any mentioned in DA2 and DA3. I don't care if his writing in Awakening was bad or he wasn't a key player like your warden, not hearing anything about him is a major insult seeing that he helped end the 5th blight.

 

Im so glad that Oghren dident come back, he was sooo bloody annoying and kind of an insult to dwarves everywhere

 

The could have at least mentioned him though

[Natureguy85]

Im so glad that Oghren dident come back, he was sooo bloody annoying and kind of an insult to dwarves everywhere

 

The could have at least mentioned him though

 

You filthy Oghren Hater!!!   Oghren still believed in the dwarven tradition unlike Varric who is a surfacer, whose character has nothing to do with dwarven culture.

 

Oghren was a very important character in the world of DA. He helped stop the 5th blight and is also a grey warden. Plus a friend of the HoF. I don't understand why Bioware is completely ignoring his existence. Varric is alright, but he's just not funny. In his party banters he always come across as sarcastic and too cool. Oghren is a way more interesting dwarf then Varric.

 

And really, I could understand why Varric was there in the beginning of DAI, but later on he's just lurking about because he wants to "save the world". Oghren is just as capable of telling a story as Varric is. In fact, having a drunken Oghren telling the story of The Champion would have been hilarious. Oghren is very much missed by me. He was a legend in his own mind and utterly hilarious. It's a shame Varric is being carried through to Inquisition instead of Oghren, who I actually cared about the most and im sure others feel that way too.

 

If Oghren can't make a cameo, i rather talk to his new wife Felsi and see how is she doing with her new child.

 

Felsi: "Haven't heard from the sodding lush since he went to Weisshaupt... sorry, I'm distracted. Did you need something?"

 

Oghren perhaps should have been Stroud. Yeah. Think about that. How awesome would that have been in DA2? And now in DAI?! Oghren in the Fade! Snarky Hawke being his friend?! Varric would die from jealousy. 

 

I liked Oghren, but he was a very simple character. He was violent and hedonistic, and was comic relief. He got his time in the limelight by returning as a companion in Awakening. The other Origins companions just got cameos. There was no reason to keep him going further. Morrigan's return makes sense due to the potential importance of Flemeth and the Old God Baby. Oghren didn't have any story connection like that.

[Natureguy85]

 

As i said, If Oghren can't make a cameo, i'd rather talk to his new wife Felsi and see how is she doing with her new child. Is that too much to ask?!!!

 

It would have been nice if Oghren was in that quest finding Nate Howe. The way i could see him in the deep roads, he's fighting darkspawn, then he turns and gives you a cheery wave and a cheesy grin before turning around to finish his fight. Afterwards, when meeting your Hawke, "Ah-ha! there you are! (chuckles) When these Darkspawns showed up, I thought, just you wait till the Champion of Kirkwall gets here and you'll be spitting teeth out of your arses! Followed the screaming, and sure enough, here you are good on ya."

 

Anders: "I thought I smelled a brewery in the Deep Roads."

 

Oghren: "Sparkle-Fingers? Thought you left the Wardens?"

 

Anders: (cringed) "I thought i escaped that name."

 

Varric: "Sparkle-Fingers? I'm starting to like this dwarf."

 

Anders: (annoyed) "Don't you start, Varric."

 

I can't believe they never included that in DA2, the banter between anders, varric and Oghren would have been pure gold.

 

It's not Oghren that im mad about, NOT having Bodhan and Sandal in DAI is worse cause they are no where to be found, since their amount of impact on the last two games, being your trade/travel/camp buddies and main enchanter bros. That, and how Sandal predicted the ending to Inquisition.

 

Also I have a hard time believing that Bodahn Feddic and Sandal will appear in a Inquisition-related dlc; because what would be the point? Dragon Age 2 "specifically" stated that they had been invited to serve in Celene's court, and for whatever the hell reason - - - they are a no show at the castle. The decision behind this major storytelling would be fascinating to know, given the previous importance of this dwarven pair, but at this point it comes down to being little more than a WTF moment!

 

Are the writers of Bioware really that stupid to forget these dwarves?

 

As for Morrigan's return makes sense due to the potential importance of Flemeth and the Old God Baby? Don't make me laugh, In Witch Hunt Morrigan ends up telling that she's going to prepare her son for what is to come, that change is coming to this world etc etc

The kid was meant for great things. Was this all scrapped in DA:I?

 

If the OGB exists Flemeth removes his old god part (?? what was it really that she removed?) and he becomes a normal child. I thought something huge was going to happen to this child in the future. I didn't know his old god soul was removable... So many questions with no answers.

 

Still this is to show that they don't plan out these things are long story ideas. Whatever the original intent, its clear that was changed Sadly, DA suffers from a number of re-directs... DAO.... oh no, we have to create a sheperd clone in DA2 and take it in a different direction... oh no, the sheperd clone was not well-received, so lets try a half ass attempt at a new character, blah blah blah...

 

 

As I said, Oghren already got his time in the limelight. It's actually better to not overload these games with cameos.

 

Bodahn and Sandal had no impact on the last two games. They were vendors. Sandal killed two rooms of baddies, which is cool.

 

I haven't played Inquisition yet so I don't know what they did with Morrigan and the OGB. Don't spoil. However, that is something that deserves attention. Oghren does not. You might be right about them not planning things out. They certainly didn't with Mass Effect.

[k1rage]

Im pretty sure Oghren dosent show up in later games because he finally managed to drink himself to death lol

[k1rage]

I am fed up with people's stupid remarks who don't take this dwarf seriously. You may not like him but myself and others WANT that closure to our favorite drunken Dwarf. 

 

Hes the Jar Jar Binks of the dragon age universe, its hard to take him seriously lol 

[Natureguy85]

Well i call bullsh!t on that, seeing that Bioware shouldn't just ignore all that and not cover at all. I mean is it too much to ask? What's the point of having the Keep if those choices are not fully addressed? I would've preferred cameo side quests rather than some big empty farming/grinding areas that serve for nothing just to consume our time. Why bother making the Keep then if it so says to the fans "p!ss off" in the end?

 

Bodahn and Sandal had no impact on the last two games? That's funny cause Dragon Age 2 "specifically" stated that they had been invited to serve in Celene's court, and for whatever the hell reason - - - they are a no show at the castle. If they weren't supposed to be in Dragon Age: Inquisition then Bodahn wouldn't have mentioned that he was to attend the Queen's court in Orlais in DA2. How could the writers be that stupid to forget what they wrote In Dragon Age 2? Do they think that we're too dumb to even noticed this? Just comes to show you that the writers really screwed that one up.

 

Well this is a thread for DA2 so it's reasonable to ask for no spoilers from a later game. Just use spoiler tags then. Don't be a jerk and spoil simply because I asked you not to.

 

And further more, if you don't want Spoilers then go to the Scuttlebutt (NO Spoilers) thread on Dragon Age: Inquisition. I'll be honest, the OGB plotline didn't intrigue me for any other reason but the consequences; by itself, I see it as nothing more than another *special child born for its destiny* in a genre that's saturated with them only to be brushed off with this sort of crap by having Flemeth extract the soul as if it were nothing.  Which doesn't bother me, but it doesn't leave me at the edge of my seat in anticipation, either. 

 

They (EA) offered a choice which.... was sad to the ignorant... but nonetheless, it was A CHOICE, and while it should NOT have been a world altering issue, it deserved more than to be a moronic and atrociously WEAKLY neutured storyline whose completion appears to have been made up on the fly. Like most "important" choices in DA come, it ends up to be less  than nothing.... example: the Mage V. Tempar conflict... impotent, meaningless, and set up only to enthrall without real thought to its outcome.

 

Sadly a number of DA storylines have had so much potential, only to be watered-down and sanitized with a weak, stupid ending... Solas story will be no different.... he will meet the same sanitized, stupid, disinterested ending... so don't get all worked up, i.e. Dark Ritual, meant nothing... Mages v. Templars meant nothing. Ect.

 

Ignore all what? Oghren got a lot of screen time and doesn't need more. Why was the epilogue from Awakening not enough closure?

 

I don't know why everything is in the Keep. It was revealed that not everything going in was for Inquisition when they started adding things late. Maybe it will be used later, but some say the Keep is also to track what you've done in games.

 

How does any of that about Bodahn affect Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2? And Bioware writers are great at forgetting about what was written before. Just look at the Mass Effect series.

 

Those plotlines meaning nothing isn't an argument to include things that have nothing going on as it stands.

 

I am fed up with people's stupid remarks who don't take this dwarf seriously. You may not like him but myself and others WANT that closure to our favorite drunken Dwarf. 

 

Oghren is comic relief. You're not supposed to take him seriously.

 

Hes the Jar Jar Binks of the dragon age universe, its hard to take him seriously lol 

 

That's just mean.

[Natureguy85]

Fine, but i rather talk to Felsi and the Nugget if Oghren can't make a stinking cameo, find out how they are doing.

 

Still Oghren would've been so much better than having Stroud/Alistair/Loghain and make you possibly sacrifice him in the Fade.  I mean... at least we'd had some sort of emotional connection to Oghren, whether to poke fun at him thinking he's not funny or thinking he's hilariously disgusting XD I will shed so many tears until we see Oghren again! I really miss that disgusting drunk!

 

Oghren is a side character and Felsi and their child are even less than that. They just aren't that important. Take the epilogue and make up whatever you want after that. They don't need more exposure or exposition. Alistair or Loghain make more sense to show just because of their potential political importance, though Stroud is just "Warden guy" and we have no attachment to him personally.

[Natureguy85]

 

I don't care if Oghren is a side character and Felsi and their child are even less than that and are not that important. Maybe you don't want to see that Dwarf but I'm sure others who are true "Oghren" fans out there want to see that Dwarf again. As i said Oghren is so underrated that he deserves better then no mention at all. Why a stupid lousy painting of Oghren's concept art which can be seen near the bar at the Hanged Man in DA2 and not even a freaking reference to his entire existence in the game? I refuse to accept Oghren is a side character who's not that important, no matter what you oghren haters will say.   Don't be a jerk just because you think Oghren is not important.

 

Oghren IS a very important character in the world of DA. He helped stop the 5th blight and is also a grey warden. Plus a friend of the HoF. I don't understand why Bioware is completely ignoring his existence. Varric is alright, but he's just not funny. In his party banters he always come across as sarcastic and too cool and Oghren is a way more interesting dwarf then Varric can ever be.

 

And really, I could understand why Varric was there in the beginning of DAI, but later on he's just lurking about because he wants to "save the world". The only reason he's there is because of Hawke and that's about it. Beyond that Varric doesn't offer anything else.

 

 

We get it; you like Oghren. So what? You've ranted about this in at least two threads and have nothing to say other than you like Oghren. I'm telling you why he isn't there.  Get over it.

[line_genrou]

Oghren is a side character and Felsi and their child are even less than that. They just aren't that important. Take the epilogue and make up whatever you want after that. They don't need more exposure or exposition. Alistair or Loghain make more sense to show just because of their potential political importance, though Stroud is just "Warden guy" and we have no attachment to him personally.

Oghren helped the warden end the 5th blight and is a grey warden

If anything he is as important as Alistair (mind you, grey warden alistair)

[k1rage]

Well neither do you have nothing to say other then saying that Oghren isn't as important like the others. So why don't YOU *get over it.* If Bioware can cave into the Mass Effect 3 ending then it will be no different for them to give us back Oghren.

 

Still If you don't want to continue this debate, i suggest you stop responding to me. As i said, I'd have more respect if the Writers of Bioware came out and said, "Yeah we didn't like Oghren, that's why we didn't make any reference to him."

 

Preach it, I can't believe the ignorance that these players think that Oghren isn't that important because they think he's not that great. Oh the sheer stupidity, either they haven't been playing DAO game or just played Dragon Age 2 only.

 

We won't rest until we see our beloved Dwarf again or at least a reference to him, no matter what the oghren haters will say.

 

then I dont think you will ever rest lol

 

I will give you this though, I think you right when you say that there could have been some pretty good party banter btween Oghren and Varic

[Teligth]

DA2 is definately better in dialogues and characters. Origin's lack of PC voice and personality made the protagonist pretty dull and characterless. I don't know why I loved Origins so much more than DA2 upon its release, but recently I've been trying to replay those and I find DA2 more enjoyable due to said reasons above.

DA:O has better choice-and-consequences, but the exitement wears thin if you have already experienced the plot. I prefer combats of DA:O too, but the whole combat part is not what is appealing about DA franchise and doesn't affect my rating.

DA2, while obviously rushed in many places, has done dialogue/characters better and those are the core of RPGs. Since DA2 took 11 month to develop(if the rumors are true) or 2 years as Bioware claims, I wouldn't mind if they pump out DA2 quality games every 2 year rather than waiting for the next sequel for 5 years.

Bioware's storytelling is good in average game standard, but they are not worth the waiting of 5 years. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I would rather have DA3, DA4, DA5 with enjoyable stories and characters with some shortcomings in gameplay instead of a masterpiece that would be DA3 currently in development.

It comes from me consideirng RPG's value as storytelling only. Recycling maps never bothered me as I never cared for graphics. Life is short and there are only limited gaming experience you can have. I would want to hear as many stories as possible. No matter how well-made DA3 is, its gameplay will get old in few years anyway.

I consider myself more of hardcore gamer; surprisingly however, I find DA2 more fun than DA:O the story of which is too much of cliche and the main protagonist missing vital personal interactions with other characters.(his/her relationshi with others are mostly one-directional.)

There is a reason why DA2 got so much hate and it was probably a rush job of it. I mean come on look at the terrible world design.