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[bauzabauza]

i test 6/6/6/6/6 builds, but only 6/6/6/6/6 geth´s are OP and S.I. on platium is easy with a BW X

[megabeast37215]

billpickles wrote...

Do you have a towel bar on the back of your Civic?

I bet he likes exhaust tips that make his sissy car sound like a bumblebee.

[billpickles]

Miniditka77 wrote...

billpickles wrote...
[*]Cabal - I didn't know what to do with this kit for a long time.  After trying a bunch of variations, I finally decided that Poison Strike just annoyed the crap out of me, so I skip it and run her as a Javelin sniper-soldier

Ugh, that just seems like a really boring way to play a really fun class.  Equip a good shotgun with decent weight, like the Raider, Piranha, Wraith, Talon, etc., and Geth Scanner.  Then just play like somebody handed a shotgun to a hyperactive monkey on meth (who can teleport through walls).

I tried that way the first time and honestly I think I was just really bad at it.  I actually quite enjoy the sniper-soldier build, though you're certainly not the first person who's labeled it boring.  But...I will consider giving the shotgun melee teleport method another go.

Modifié par billpickles, 18 février 2014 - 04:55 .

[megabeast37215]

Bill: just spec power damage and take an incendiary stagger weapon and grenade capacity.. nightshade blades and poison strike everything... Bring an anti armor smg for bosses. She wrecks..

There's about 15 better javelin users.

[capn233]

To get back on topic, I remember when Asari Adept and SI were state of the art.

[Baby Quarian]

capn233 wrote...

To get back on topic, I remember when Asari Adept and SI were state of the art.

She still is if used right!

[FuriousFelicia]

Baby Quarian wrote...

capn233 wrote...

To get back on topic, I remember when Asari Adept and SI were state of the art.

She still is if used right!

They both are 

[billpickles]

Getting back to the SI vs GI debate...

I think when people claim the SI is "better" they really mean easier. Both are obviously top-tier kits, but ED makes the SI far more forgiving. SI was one of the first kits I truly mastered. GI was one of the last. But trying to say the SI is stronger...well, there's a reason GI is the answer to every question on BSN.

[NuclearTech76]

There are several sub 30 min GI Platinum solos, some even in the 20 min range. Several sub 20 mins GI gold solos, with some in the 13 min range. There isn't a SI time that is even remotely close to that. Killing efficiency is on the GI's side no one figures in the ROF bonus in the TTK equation.

[Kislitsin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

billpickles wrote...

Do you have a towel bar on the back of your Civic?

I bet he likes exhaust tips that make his sissy car sound like a bumblebee.

I don't drive civic nowadays. But I had an experience with type R.
While it's much smaller than your pick-up truck, 225bhp is more than enough for such a little car, and it has a lot of driver fun in it. The thing nascar fanboys will never understand. 

[ProviderOfPain99]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

There are several sub 30 min GI Platinum solos, some even in the 20 min range. Several sub 20 mins GI gold solos, with some in the 13 min range. There isn't a SI time that is even remotely close to that. Killing efficiency is on the GI's side no one figures in the ROF bonus in the TTK equation.

I agree when it comes to all other weapons exept the Javelin or Widow.  GI doesn't really benefit much from the rate of fire/accuracy bonus on those weapons.   With adrenelin 3 you are faster than GI, assuming GI is using a cyclonic, and geth scanner pretty much negates GI's wall hack.  So... SI sniper has wall hack, speed and with single shot snipers huntermode accuracy and rate of fire gives a marginal advantage at best.  I use SI to snipe all the time when my GI is speced for other weapons and when speced right they play pretty much identical.  I will say he is at a disadvantage in a solo though because geth scanner means no AC or Assault loadout.   

[NuclearTech76]

ProviderOfPain99 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

There are several sub 30 min GI Platinum solos, some even in the 20 min range. Several sub 20 mins GI gold solos, with some in the 13 min range. There isn't a SI time that is even remotely close to that. Killing efficiency is on the GI's side no one figures in the ROF bonus in the TTK equation.

I agree when it comes to all other weapons exept the Javelin or Widow.  GI doesn't really benefit much from the rate of fire/accuracy bonus on those weapons.   With adrenelin 3 you are faster than GI, assuming GI is using a cyclonic, and geth scanner pretty much negates GI's wall hack.  So... SI sniper has wall hack, speed and with single shot snipers huntermode accuracy and rate of fire gives a marginal advantage at best.  I use SI to snipe all the time when my GI is speced for other weapons and when speced right they play pretty much identical.  I will say he is at a disadvantage in a solo though because geth scanner means no AC or Assault loadout.   

The reload cancel speed is faster with ROF bonuses. That extra gear slot gives you even more of an advantage if you're locked into Geth Scanner on an SI. Both are good kits but the GI wins the DPS race hands down especially on bosses.

[Argent Xero]

RoF bonus decreases the time it takes to reload the Javelin, and the Black Widow is fully automatic.

[Argent Xero]

[NuclearTech76]

ArgentN7 wrote...

RoF bonus decreases the time it takes to reload the Javelin, and the Black Widow is fully automatic.

I would imagine the wind up on the fire time is less as well but I haven't tested it. 

[Argent Xero]

billpickles wrote...

Getting back to the SI vs GI debate...

I think when people claim the SI is "better" they really mean easier. Both are obviously top-tier kits, but ED makes the SI far more forgiving. SI was one of the first kits I truly mastered. GI was one of the last. But trying to say the SI is stronger...well, there's a reason GI is the answer to every question on BSN.

TGI and AIU are "better" than the GI.

[capn233]

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Baby Quarian wrote...

capn233 wrote...

To get back on topic, I remember when Asari Adept and SI were state of the art.

She still is if used right!

They both are 

They aren't state of the art in the same way that an F-15 isn't state of the art any longer.  Still are good characters, but they have been surpassed by newer developments.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

capn233 wrote...

To get back on topic, I remember when Asari Adept and SI were state of the art.

The AA is a biotic goddess.

[Wizard of Ox]

b00g13man wrote...

capn233 wrote...

To get back on topic, I remember when Asari Adept and SI were state of the art.

The AA is a suport class.

FTFY



Seriously though, they're still both top-tier. 

Modifié par KroGan_eRRanT, 18 février 2014 - 07:52 .

[Tyrant112580]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

RoF bonus decreases the time it takes to reload the Javelin, and the Black Widow is fully automatic.

I would imagine the wind up on the fire time is less as well but I haven't tested it. 

The wind up is a little less. It's not über noticeable but it's there. 

[ProviderOfPain99]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

ProviderOfPain99 wrote...

NuclearTech76 wrote...

There are several sub 30 min GI Platinum solos, some even in the 20 min range. Several sub 20 mins GI gold solos, with some in the 13 min range. There isn't a SI time that is even remotely close to that. Killing efficiency is on the GI's side no one figures in the ROF bonus in the TTK equation.

I agree when it comes to all other weapons exept the Javelin or Widow.  GI doesn't really benefit much from the rate of fire/accuracy bonus on those weapons.   With adrenelin 3 you are faster than GI, assuming GI is using a cyclonic, and geth scanner pretty much negates GI's wall hack.  So... SI sniper has wall hack, speed and with single shot snipers huntermode accuracy and rate of fire gives a marginal advantage at best.  I use SI to snipe all the time when my GI is speced for other weapons and when speced right they play pretty much identical.  I will say he is at a disadvantage in a solo though because geth scanner means no AC or Assault loadout.   

The reload cancel speed is faster with ROF bonuses. That extra gear slot gives you even more of an advantage if you're locked into Geth Scanner on an SI. Both are good kits but the GI wins the DPS race hands down especially on bosses.

reload speed is marginally faster.  Barely even noticable...  I guess I don't notice the DPS difference much because I play mainly cerberus and against Cerberus TTK is identical between both builds.  Only difference is I will have a faster time with GI because of assault loadout or AC.

[Tyrant112580]

ArgentN7 wrote...

billpickles wrote...

Getting back to the SI vs GI debate...

I think when people claim the SI is "better" they really mean easier. Both are obviously top-tier kits, but ED makes the SI far more forgiving. SI was one of the first kits I truly mastered. GI was one of the last. But trying to say the SI is stronger...well, there's a reason GI is the answer to every question on BSN.

TGI and AIU are "better" than the GI.

 

[capn233]

ROF fire bonuses affect reload speed because every weapon has to wait one fire period (1/ROF) before initiating a reload... and fire periods are lower if ROF is higher.

Modifié par capn233, 18 février 2014 - 08:30 .

[Deerber]

ProviderOfPain99 wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

The frog is:
1. Ugly
2. Noob-friendly
3. Salarian
What can be worse?

Lol at "sniping" with SI, lol at comparisons with GI.

LOL at people not realizing SI is 99% as effective as GI with a Javelin on gold.  5% multiplicitive damage is overkill.  TTK, at least against Cerberus, is identical.  Still 5 headshots and 6 bodyshots and when double and triple hits are thrown into the equation 3-4 shots to take down an Atlas.

I'm sorry, but you're lolling at people being right while you are wrong.

For once that "little" 10% (because it's *ten* percent, not five) multiplicative "overkill" allows a GI to OHK a Gold Phantom with a Javelin bodyshot, while the SI needs a headshot. That, alone, would justify the GI being in a completely other league that the SI cannot even dream of engaging. And don't give me the ED crap, if you are landing a bodyshot it's because you don't have the time to aim for the head, and that means you don't have time to ED either. It's also what allows a GI to OHK a Dragoon with a Javelin bodyshot: something the SI, again, cannot do.

Then there are all the other bonuses which sum up one over the other: superior wallhack, higher RoF, which translates in less effective wait between a kill and another, ability to equip a gear without losing wallhack capabilities, which usually translates in +15% additive weapon damage, which again, is *not* overkill in lots of situations, and finally... The thing which really sets the two kits apart:

Speed. You see, there are two kinds of kits in this game: kits with a speed bonus, and kits without a speed bonus. The GI is in the former, while the SI in the latter. There's nothing more to add, really.

Modifié par Deerber, 18 février 2014 - 08:51 .

[ProviderOfPain99]

I don't disagree about the existence of faster reload Times on GI. I know GI reloads faster. I don't think the fraction of a second GI can load his gun faster makes much of a difference because every shot needs to be aimed anyway. The only area that I feel makes a difference is the gear slot where SI is forced to take Geth Scanner and GI can take whatever else he wants.