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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

THe biggest problem with the romances for me wasn't that they were all bisexual. It was that they were all shallow. They followed the Mass Effect style of romance. Talk twice and then wham bam right before the final mission.

I much preferred the lead up in Origins. But 'words are expensive' so looks like we'll have to live with the shallowness.

[wolfhowwl]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Actually, I have my doubts about DA:I. I think they are going to have restrictions this time around.

They could still be bisexual but have race-based restrictions such as characters not being interested in a Qunari PC.

[Karlone123]

It's probably going to come down to players complaining about one character they want to romance but can't cause the companion, (for example) is gay. I've never been bothered by companions being "player-sexual" or just have are simply interested in one gender.

[Ryzaki]

Hopefully yeah.

[ElementalFury106]

eluvianix wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...

Too unrealistic. I liked how they did it in ME1 and ME2, as well as DA:O.

ME1: 2 straight romances, 1 bi romance
ME2: 6 straight romances, 1 bi romance
DA:O- 2 straight romances, 2 bi romances, several minor bi romances (sexual encounters).

ME3 and DA:2 just threw gayness and bisexuality up in our faces. Also, trannies in the **** house? Come on now.

Interpret this as "hate" if you wish, but I simply desire realistic romances if they choose to include romances at all. It is not at all realistic where each companion is bi or some stupid name like "player-sexual"

You honestly draw the line for realism at 4 bi people, when we have a world with dragons, darkspawn, blood magic, and Qunari?

Lmao, well yes, I do. I understand Dragon Age is set in our equivalent of a medievil culture, where bisexuality was more common, but regardless I do. It's just not likely that every character is attracted to both sexes.

Some characters? Sure, absolutely. But all? Nah.

Notice how no character is only gay. At least not in the DA universe. Always were bisexual, if they were going to go down any path that wasn't straight (no pun intended).

The only romances I recall being exclusively gay are Cortez and Traynor from ME3.

Modifié par ElementalFury106, 18 février 2014 - 12:20 .

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hopefully yeah.

There you go having those foolish opinions, like Alistair should be left in peace, the geth are people too, I mean where does it end with you?

[Grieving Natashina]

It looks like player/herosexual is the route they are going to take. So, I guess all of us need to remember the following:



Try not to be jerks to each other, and try to avoid getting banned.

[sandalisthemaker]

wolfhowwl wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Actually, I have my doubts about DA:I. I think they are going to have restrictions this time around.

They could still be bisexual but have race-based restrictions such as characters not being interested in a Qunari PC.

I'm okay with restrictions, so long as everyone has options and isn't stuck with just one.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I really don't want to get into the intricacies of arguing in this topic again but I think David Gaider has said that Biowave has not revealed who the love interests are or how the romances are going to work yet.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

eluvianix wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...

Too unrealistic. I liked how they did it in ME1 and ME2, as well as DA:O.

ME1: 2 straight romances, 1 bi romance
ME2: 6 straight romances, 1 bi romance
DA:O- 2 straight romances, 2 bi romances, several minor bi romances (sexual encounters).

ME3 and DA:2 just threw gayness and bisexuality up in our faces. Also, trannies in the **** house? Come on now.

Interpret this as "hate" if you wish, but I simply desire realistic romances if they choose to include romances at all. It is not at all realistic where each companion is bi or some stupid name like "player-sexual"

You honestly draw the line for realism at 4 bi people, when we have a world with dragons, darkspawn, blood magic, and Qunari?

I'm not defending the person you replied to or anything, I just wanted to point out the absurdity of that line of rebuttal.

Romances are real things existing in the real world. Dragons, Darkspawn, blood magic and Qunari are not. As such, the magical/ imaginary things get a pass when talking about realism. Or at least they should, IMO.

[Seboist]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Actually, I have my doubts about DA:I. I think they are going to have restrictions this time around.

Which would be another step in the right direction like their dissociation of DAI from DA2 by removing the 3 from the title.

[AresKeith]

Starsyn wrote...

It looks like player/herosexual is the route they are going to take. So, I guess all of us need to remember the following:

 

Until Bioware offically confirms it, no one can say what route they are going to take

So the meme is unncessary

[Hellion Rex]

Shinian2 wrote...
I'm not defending the person you replied to or anything, I just wanted to point out the absurdity of that line of rebuttal.

Romances are real things existing in the real world. Dragons, Darkspawn, blood magic and Qunari are not. As such, the magical/ imaginary things get a pass when talking about realism. Or at least they should, IMO.

Touche. But nonetheless, is it honestly that unrealistic to have 4 bisexual characters in your party?

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...
I'm not defending the person you replied to or anything, I just wanted to point out the absurdity of that line of rebuttal.

Romances are real things existing in the real world. Dragons, Darkspawn, blood magic and Qunari are not. As such, the magical/ imaginary things get a pass when talking about realism. Or at least they should, IMO.

Touche. But nonetheless, is it honestly that unrealistic to have 4 bisexual characters in your party?

Add to this the fact that the way the LIs are written, they are *never* de facto bi.  They could easily be construed as gay for one playthrough or straight for another. 

But yeah, I'll go ahead and say it:  All this ridiculous hand-wringing over the idea that it's not realistic.  Mmmhmm.  It's just as stupid as the argument against including more PoCs because doing so wouldn't be realistic. 

It's an excuse, and a bad one.  Nothing more.

Modifié par Silfren, 18 février 2014 - 12:30 .

[Mirrman70]

I don't like the term pansexual cause that implies that they are attracted to animals ,objects and very other weird things.

[HiddenInWar]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...


ME3 and DA:2 just threw gayness and bisexuality up in our faces. Also, trannies in the **** house? Come on now.

Oh you poor sweet thing. Did it scar you for life?

[Sylvius the Mad]

Silfren wrote...

Add to this the fact that the way the LIs are written, they are *never* de facto bi.  They could easily be construed as gay for one playthrough or straight for another. 

Exactly.  Herosexual does not equal bi.  It just means that, on any given playthrough, the companions' preferences all happen to be for the gender the PC happens to be.  Or that the PC is so appealing that previously established preferences are irrelevant.

[CybAnt1]

BTW, just one simple point.

We do not know the etiology of homosexuality or bisexuality in the real world. (Not to get into some very complex debates, but it appears to be an intrinsic, biological condition.) It's not even clear how common or uncommon they are; it depends on your definitions, and this was not systematically studied by any sexologist until Kinsey. People didn't like his conclusions, and so many people still don't know the results of his research. (Hat tip: bisexuality may be more common among humans than we realize. Sure seems to be among closely related species, like bonobo chimps.)

That topic aside, it seems bisexuality in Thedas could simply be more common than it is on our world. It certainly seems like attitudes toward it are both more accepting than was found in Earth-medieval society, let alone today in Earth-modern society. Given its apparent prevalence and acceptance, I don't understand fiat declarations saying it should be rare.

Peace out.

[HiddenInWar]

I wouldn't mind it, but I think a good route is there being specifically straight, bi, and gay oriented characters. It makes for a better range tbh.

[CybAnt1]

Add to this the fact that the way the LIs are written, they are *never* de facto bi.  They could easily be construed as gay for one playthrough or straight for another. 

Well, Leliana strongly hints that her relationship with Marjorlaine was sexual as well as mentor-student in the arts of bardic assassination and seduction, but of course doesn't come out and directly say it. Still, it's as we like to say, very strongly implied. 

[Silfren]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Add to this the fact that the way the LIs are written, they are *never* de facto bi.  They could easily be construed as gay for one playthrough or straight for another. 

Exactly.  Herosexual does not equal bi.  It just means that, on any given playthrough, the companions' preferences all happen to be for the gender the PC happens to be.  Or that the PC is so appealing that previously established preferences are irrelevant.

The latter, I think.  It IS true, regardless of what people here might think or try to argue to the contrary, that sometimes a person finds themselves attracted to a person outside of their established preference just because that person manages to ding the right bells.  It does NOT mean that a man only *thought* he was straight, or that woman only *thought* she was gay, etc. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

eluvianix wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...
I'm not defending the person you replied to or anything, I just wanted to point out the absurdity of that line of rebuttal.

Romances are real things existing in the real world. Dragons, Darkspawn, blood magic and Qunari are not. As such, the magical/ imaginary things get a pass when talking about realism. Or at least they should, IMO.

Touche. But nonetheless, is it honestly that unrealistic to have 4 bisexual characters in your party?

Like I said, I wasn't defending his point. I stated my opinion on the topic at the top of this page.

But since you asked, yes I think it's unrealistic, but probably for different reasons than the other poster. I just think it's lazy writing at worst, or perhaps it was forced on them by the budget and rushed timeline at best.  Diversity is good.

Anyway, not all the romances were bisexual if you count Sebastian and the attempted flirting with Aveline (which was seriously amusing, but for some reason they left female Hawkes out of it).

[Orian Tabris]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

They aren't all bi-sexual.

They are player-sexual.

Bi-sexual, player-sexual, whichever you call it, the companions end up the same in the end.

BioWare insists on not specifying one sexuality. I can't remember what they said, exactly, but the basic gist is "We don't care enough about romances anymore, so we're gonna try to please everyone, rather than sticking to the line about not trying to please everyone."

EDIT: That's not to say there won't be a DLC companion like Sebastian with a specific preference.

BTW, it's more realistic to actually specify companion sexual preferences, outside of the player character.

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 18 février 2014 - 12:37 .

[Dio Demon]

ElementalFury106 wrote...

ME3 and DA:2 just threw gayness and bisexuality up in our faces.

Yes, yes they did  all over your face.

[wolfhowwl]

ElementalFury106 wrote...
ME3 and DA:2 just threw gayness and bisexuality up in our faces. Also, trannies in the **** house? Come on now.

What is the problem with that?

Do you really think there isn't a market for that?