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[PinkDiamondstl]

Good god I hope not! Why have bi anything.And why bring it up at all...

[Silfren]

Sjofn wrote...

AnonymousLamppost wrote...

I think that the term "bisexual" should'nt apply unless the character says that. Such as Anders, When you are playing as a female Hawke he is heterosexual, and when you are a male he is homosexual. The two variations of Hawke exist in separate universes you cannot blend them by saying that Anders is bisexual because he will have sex with male and female Hawke, because only one Hawke exists at a time. Calling him bisexual is looking at both alternate timelines at the same time.

Anders isn't a great example, I'm pretty sure you are supposed to think of him as bisexual (pansexual, even). If you know him from Awakenings, you know he's expressed interest in ladies before, and he has a banter with Isabella regardless of who he's banging that indicates a more than passing familiarity with the ~ladies~ sexually. I can't remember if he tells LadyHawke he had a relationship with Karl off the top of my head though.

Still, you're not wrong that assuming they're all bisexual at all times is silly. Merrill is a good example, there's basically no indication outside the romance with Hawke she has a preference one way or another.

AnonymousLamppost wrote...

Also, I have only heard men complain about Anders hitting on them, but no women complain about Isabela hitting on them. Why are men so threatened when it comes to their sexuality?

They don't like being treated like women get treated is my guess.  My favorite thing about ZOMG ANDERS HIT ON ME is that I have done a lot of ManHawke playthroughs and I have never actually managed to get the dude to hit on me. I always forget which call/response makes it happen and I can't be bothered to go out of my way to figure it out. 

Yes.  That's pretty much EXACTLY their problem. 

[Orian Tabris]

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

I wonder if DAI will have an Amulet of Mara?

Might as well, in DA2 Hawke was the Amulet 

Not really. I mean, the only companion we could marry (if anyone (I never romanced him)) was Sebastian.

[Steelcan]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AnonymousLamppost wrote...

I think that the term "bisexual" should'nt apply unless the character says that. Such as Anders, When you are playing as a female Hawke he is heterosexual, and when you are a male he is homosexual. The two variations of Hawke exist in separate universes you cannot blend them by saying that Anders is bisexual because he will have sex with male and female Hawke, because only one Hawke exists at a time. Calling him bisexual is looking at both alternate timelines at the same time.

This sums up my opinion on the issue pretty well.

Nah, its the inquisitor's heroism




HIS HEROISM I SAY


HHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Sjofn]

Shinian2 wrote...

Silfren wrote...



As was pointed out, I was referring to the DA2 characters.  I should've been clear on that.  Much as I liked Origins, I find DA2's handling of LIs MUCH better.  I don't think players should ever be cut off from the LI they want over something like this.  Especially after removing all such gender-based restrictions in DA2, it would be a woefully backwards move to go back to Origins after giving us DA2 in the first place.

I would have thought Isabela was obviously bi in DA2 as well, and Zevran was in DA2 as well for that one scene. Did he flirt with hawke? I've forgotten.

However yes, I was referring to both games, but left out Leliana since she wasn't in both games. (well, not in any romance sense at least.)

As I stated earlier, what I liked about DAO romances was that there was a buildup over time, story wise, not the Mass Effect style two talks and then sexy-time. I honestly don't care if all the romances are bi as long as they are written as such, and written well.

Isabella is definitely written as bi in DA2, and Zevran hits on Hawke regardless of gender (and if he's going to forget he's in love with my Warden, ain't no way I'm passing up on my Hawkes ALSO having a threesome with Isabella and Zevran ).

I definitely agree the most important thing is that they feel more fleshed out than DA2's did. For all the time-passing mechanic of DA2, they managed to feel sudden and awkward a lot of the time. That was more of a problem with Anders and Merrill than Isabella or Fenris for me, though. Isabella actually feels well-paced, all things considered, and Fenris' issues make the weird jumpiness make some sense. I guess my biggest issue was the "you slept together, now let them MOVE IN or LOSE THEM FOREVER" binary choice for Anders and Merrill.

Also, please let me dump people in DA:I. I hate not being able to dump people if I've decided partway through that a romance is going places I do not want to go. No, that has nothing to do with player-sexuality, but I felt like saying it anyway!

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Well the ME3 way is preferable although I would prefer that the gay characters aren't just both minor characters that aren't even companions.

However I don't mind the playersexual (or whatever) thing so if it's easier for them to do that them I am fine with it.

Honest question, what difference does it make if they aren't companions in ME3?

I can only picture this making a difference if it was like DAO and you could talk to them anywhere.

Just seemed like two characters were made up solely to please the gay people. Which they were and it's fine with me but I would rather they made at least one of the companions gay if they are going to have gay people in the game. 

Well, technically they were ALL made up,  but pedantry (is that a word?) aside, yes you are probably right. The LIs in ME3 were incredibly lopsided in almost every direction though. Straight women had like one option, Garrus, who was guaranteed to be there regardless of most choices.

So, are you in the camp who would be happy with a mix of straight/by/gay companions then?

[AresKeith]

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

I wonder if DAI will have an Amulet of Mara?

Might as well, in DA2 Hawke was the Amulet 

Not really. I mean, the only companion we could marry (if anyone (I never romanced him)) was Sebastian.

We wasn't talking about the marriage part

[SlottsMachine]

Steelcan wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Stop flashing the David signal damn it.

Steelcan wrote...
because....




HEROISM

David is gone, his star burned too bright and for too long

He's a brown dwarf now, couldn't even manage a supernova.

[wolfhowwl]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iakus wrote...

I wonder if DAI will have an Amulet of Mara?

yes, its called Inquisitor's genitalia, it makes everyone swoon because the alternative is that someone gets angry their potnetial waifu don't swing that way

Andraste forbid that a character might have their own preferences...

Hey there isn't anything wrong with a little romance pandering to a vocal minority.

Gender (or species) means nothing in the face of true love.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 18 février 2014 - 01:07 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Veruin wrote...

Stop flashing the David signal damn it.

Steelcan wrote...
because....




HEROISM

It's about... HEROISM *thwock* ...unt... CHARACTERIZATION *cat shrieks*

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 février 2014 - 01:08 .

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

What do you mean "again"? Sebastian was ladies-only.

And the ladies can keep him.
:innocent:

Making the hottest LI in the game the boring, self-righteous prince was the worst thing Bioware has ever done. 

Modifié par Silfren, 18 février 2014 - 01:44 .

[Orian Tabris]

AresKeith wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

I wonder if DAI will have an Amulet of Mara?

Might as well, in DA2 Hawke was the Amulet 

Not really. I mean, the only companion we could marry (if anyone (I never romanced him)) was Sebastian.

We wasn't talking about the marriage part

I know, but technically, for Hawke to be the Amulet of Mara, s/he would have to also get married, or be required for the companion/s to get married (aside from Ave), the latter assuming marriage was ever on the tables prior to the concept of romance.

To be precise, the Amulet of Mara is only used for getting married, not for being in romance.

[Sjofn]

Y'all are too hard on Sebastian. He's funnier than he gets credit for!

[Steelcan]

[SlottsMachine]

wolfhowwl wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

iakus wrote...

I wonder if DAI will have an Amulet of Mara?

yes, its called Inquisitor's genitalia, it makes everyone swoon because the alternative is that someone gets angry their potnetial waifu don't swing that way

Andraste forbid that a character might have their own preferences...

Hey there isn't anything wrong with a little romance pandering to a vocal minority.

Gender (or species) means nothing in the face of true love.

Its a fantasy world, yo!

[someguy1231]

I've already said in the past that I loathe "playersexual" LIs. It kills immersion for me by reminding me I'm in a programmed, artificial environment, and also feels absurdly playercentric. Characters need to be their own independent entities, not satellites that revolve around the player.

Also, this needs to be emphasized because some people here still don't get it, "playersexual" and "bisexual" do not mean the same thing. An LI who is "playersexual" would be homosexual if they were the same gender as the PC, and heterosexual if they were opposite. The only LI in DA2 who was truly bisexual was Isabela, since she clearly desires both men and women regardless of the PC's gender.

And let me just say that I find it baffling that many gay gamers apparently support this whole "playersexual" system. Personally, I'd think it'd be insulting that a fictional character's sexuality can swap between gay/straight at the whim of the player as if it were a light switch.

[Orian Tabris]

Silfren wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

What do you mean "again"? Sebastian was ladies-only.

And the ladies can keep him.
:innocent:

Agreed.

Making the hottest LI in the game the boring, self-righteous prince was the worst thing Bioware has ever done.

Was that ever saying much anyway?

My opinion is that Isabela is the most attractive (though I much, much prefer caucasins).

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 18 février 2014 - 01:47 .

[AresKeith]

Orian Tabris wrote...

I know, but technically, for Hawke to be the Amulet of Mara, s/he would have to also get married, or be required for the companion/s to get married (aside from Ave), the latter assuming marriage was ever on the tables prior to the concept of romance.

To be precise, the Amulet of Mara is only used for getting married, not for being in romance.

The point




You

[Br3admax]

Steelcan, don't have a breakdown. One David obsessed poster is enough.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Gotta save that money somewhere.

[Orian Tabris]

Sjofn wrote...

Y'all are too hard on Sebastian. He's funnier than he gets credit for!

He's funny like, twice, in the whole game. Unless you count the times he isn't trying to be funny.

[mikeymoonshine]

Shinian2 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Well the ME3 way is preferable although I would prefer that the gay characters aren't just both minor characters that aren't even companions.

However I don't mind the playersexual (or whatever) thing so if it's easier for them to do that them I am fine with it.

Honest question, what difference does it make if they aren't companions in ME3?

I can only picture this making a difference if it was like DAO and you could talk to them anywhere.

Just seemed like two characters were made up solely to please the gay people. Which they were and it's fine with me but I would rather they made at least one of the companions gay if they are going to have gay people in the game. 

Well, technically they were ALL made up,  but pedantry (is that a word?) aside, yes you are probably right. The LIs in ME3 were incredibly lopsided in almost every direction though. Straight women had like one option, Garrus, who was guaranteed to be there regardless of most choices.

So, are you in the camp who would be happy with a mix of straight/by/gay companions then?

Well there was Kaiden unless you killed him but yes it was kinda bad for straight women.

Anyway Yes 
Yes but I would be happy with anything tbh. I think two straight two bi is no more or less plausable than the playersexual thing but I get why people hate that. I also get that bioware have only a certain amount of resorces so whatever they do I will be ok with. 

Well ok if they do something that really sucks I may be a bit peeved but I will get over it and just choose not to do the romances. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

Ancient alien guy shouting Heroism...I Buy it.

._. First thing i ever believed coming from that nutjob but there is a season they say.

[Silfren]

Br3ad wrote...

Silfren wrote...

No, it implies that NEARLY all the complaints from the men WHO HAVE COMPLAINED, i.e. MOST men's gripes have amounted to.  I highlighted the key words for your benefit. 

How do you get that from, "Why are men so threatened when it comes to their sexuality?" This is what I'm responding to. Eitherway, I know nothing about what, "MOST men's gripes" are, but I doubt either of us could prove if most men who complained complained about Anders hitting on them. 

Nice try, but the subject of the post which you reference very clearly mentioned men complaining about being hit on by Anders and that is what I was referring to. And you damn well know that, I know you do.  Don't try to re-frame it into my making claims about what all men complain about in general.

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote]Silfren wrote...

[quote]eluvianix wrote...

[quote]thats1evildude wrote...

What do you mean "again"? Sebastian was ladies-only.[/quote]

And the ladies can keep him.
:innocent:

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Agreed.
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Making the hottest LI in the game the boring, self-righteous prince was the worst thing Bioware has ever done. 

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Pfft please Bro/Sister.

Fenris minus the angst, and spikey hair was the lankiest elf presented thus far.

._. He is the hottest LI.