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[CosmicGnosis]

I think the Extended Cut should have explained how the galaxy is going to rebuild the relays. These things are supposed to be mysterious and difficult to replicate. The Protheans had a huge breakthrough, but it was still just a small one-way-only relay. How is a crippled galaxy going to have the resources to rebuild the relays and the gigantic Citadel, their central hub? Is it possible that their work on the Crucible provided them with the knowledge? I can't think of any other possibility.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Salarians probably know exactly how they work. And Sur'Kesh didn't even get hit IIRC, so they also have the resources to some extent.

Hell, the Asari probably have some theories. Aethyta did propose to build their own. I doubt she would do that if they had no idea how. It also depends on your EMS, whether they crack in half or just the rings fall off.

[justafan]

I don't think the relays are necessarily beyond comprehension, it's just that the ones they already had worked fine, and they had no need to build new ones. There was simply a lack of interest, as the protheans proved you could make your own relay with current level technology.

In ME3, you get the added bonus of having all the brightest minds in the galaxy in one place, with lots of people eager to rebuild the relays, I'm sure they'll figure something out.

[DeinonSlayer]

The galaxy routinely produced comm relays, whose function is exactly the same only on a smaller scale. The principles of how mass relays function is already understood, there was simply no impetus to make full-scale relays before with the existing network already in place.

Shield fleet contains many of the galaxy's leading scientists and engineers. Working together, they can figure out how to fix the primary relay at Arcturus (three days from Sol via FTL - the Charon relay is largely redundant). Different parties at different parts of the galaxy will ultimately be responsible for building (or rebuilding) their local relays. Thankfully, if you did the mission on Ontarom you saved a QEC hub which will enable instructions for how to conduct these repairs to be disseminated, presumably to every allied species. There will be "lost colonies" with no QEC to receive these instructions or on-hand technical experts. They may never be re-absorbed into the galactic community, and would ultimately sink or swim on their own (presumably Space Grandpa and Starbrat 3.0 live on one of these colonies), but the homeworlds at least can be expected to tie back in.

The Terminus, however, would probably be screwed.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 18 février 2014 - 04:45 .

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer's got it. Even if you can repair a relay, that doesn't mean you can go through it. The relay on the other end has to be fixed too. Not a big problem for secondary relays since you can get there via normal FTL. For a primary you better hope there's someone on the other end with a working QEC and enough of an industrial base to be able to follow your plans and rebuild their relay.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 février 2014 - 04:54 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Never said it wouldn't take a long time. Decades, potentially, but less than a century. I'd think most could go to their homeworlds within their lifetimes, with the possible exception of the Batarians.

[WNxPowder]

The Mass relays are just giant engines, the protheans where able to build one and link it to the citadel, so i think that's a non problem

[AlanC9]

It could be less easy if Bio wants, of course. The post-war condition of the QEC network is pretty much at their discretion.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 février 2014 - 04:58 .

[justafan]

Another thing to consider is if you can reprogram relays to connect at different points. Both the Mu and Alpha relays could send you almost anywhere, and where both similar in design and size to regular relays. If it's a simple modification, you could modify the Arcturus relay and go as far as Rannoch if they have managed to fix things at their end.

[Excella Gionne]

It'll take light years just to travel from a relay to another. A world without Relays? :'-(

[Sanunes]

I could be remembering the end of the game wrong, but they never show the destruction of the relays just a major release of energy so the relays themselves might still exist just depleted of energy.

[enayasoul]

Sanunes wrote...

I could be remembering the end of the game wrong, but they never show the destruction of the relays just a major release of energy so the relays themselves might still exist just depleted of energy.

And without the swirling rings.

[BeastSaver]

justafan wrote...

Another thing to consider is if you can reprogram relays to connect at different points. Both the Mu and Alpha relays could send you almost anywhere, and where both similar in design and size to regular relays. If it's a simple modification, you could modify the Arcturus relay and go as far as Rannoch if they have managed to fix things at their end.

They would have to know how the Mu and Alpha relays are different from the typical primary and secondary relays. The Mu relay is probably inaccessible for study/comparison and the Alpha relay got blown up in Arrival.

[CosmicGnosis]

These are good points, but I'm still annoyed that the Extended Cut didn't convey a clear sense of time. What is even more confusing is the comparison of the relays between the mid-tier and high-tier Destroy endings. In the mid-tier ending, Hackett says that it will take years to repair the relays. In the high-tier ending, he says that they are damaged, implying that they will be easier to repair.

So then how much longer will it take to repair the relays in the mid-tier ending? And I don't even want to think about the worst ending...

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 18 février 2014 - 06:23 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

I assume the epilogue didn't include it because it would have added some detail and techno babble when those scenes are mostly about feeling.

I guess the important thing to take away is that the galaxy is not doomed to a millenia long darkage.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 18 février 2014 - 07:36 .

[TheMyron]

My primary concern is Shepard getting found and given the medical help he needs...

[Gervaise]

We are never told specifically to what extent the relays are damaged. It could be anything from major physical damage (low EMS) to electronic/programming, or however they are operated (high EMS). However, in medium to high EMS it is pretty certain that the crack team of scientists responsible for the Crucible would be on hand with their expertise so it shouldn't take that long considering how quickly they knocked together the Crucible from scratch.

The Citadel is a different story since we see the physical damage to that and yet characters we know are seen on it post ending and even the beam to earth is reinstated. I assume that from that point on the Citadel would remain in earth orbit and presumably that would cement human civilisation becoming the dominant one. I am talking about Destroy ending mostly here since there are no longer any Reapers left to tow it anywhere else and why would the humans want that anyway? Of course in this scenario, the technology to repair/build another Crucible would also be there and again there would be no overlord to prevent this. We made it specifically target Reapers/Reaper tech but there is no logical reason why it couldn't be programmed to target a different specific and since it wouldn't need to be strong enough to defeat a galactic wide fleet of Reapers, the power could be reduced so it wouldn't harm the relays at all. If nothing else, the Citadel council might use this as a way of preventing future threats to galactic peace. May be it wouldn't just be with Control that you would have an overlord in control, benign or otherwise.

[wright1978]

I think it is perfectly possible to repair the relays but there will be a costs both in terms of manpower required, resources required and the sacrifices made in terms of priorities elsewhere. I certainly see my Shep being viewed as a contentious figure later for being a high profile face of the relay repair project.

[JPN17]

Sanunes wrote...

I could be remembering the end of the game wrong, but they never show the destruction of the relays just a major release of energy so the relays themselves might still exist just depleted of energy.

EC destroy ending shows the sol relay in pieces.


IMO the idea that it would just be a snap to rebuild the relays is ludicrous. Vigil says that the protheans were on the cusp of unlocking relay technology and had a whole research center on Ilos dedicated to this when the reapers invaded. The current galaxy has nothing like this and as has been stated when Aethyta suggested they build their own she was just laughed at. Sounds to me like no research was going on. We also know the protheans were more advanced when the reapers attacked than the current cycle is. I've seen nothing in game that the current species of the galaxy really have any idea how to build a relay let alone repair a severely broken one.

The abundance of QEC's in ME3 despite the fact EDI talks about how impractical they are on a large scale in ME2 is another issue that I won't get into.

[AlanC9]

justafan wrote...

Another thing to consider is if you can reprogram relays to connect at different points. Both the Mu and Alpha relays could send you almost anywhere, and where both similar in design and size to regular relays. If it's a simple modification, you could modify the Arcturus relay and go as far as Rannoch if they have managed to fix things at their end.

What's the source for the Mu relay being different from other relays? Besides having a destination that isn't accessible through any other known relay, that is.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 février 2014 - 09:46 .

[AlanC9]

johnnythao89 wrote...

It'll take light years just to travel from a relay to another. A world without Relays? :'-(

Nothing wrong with leaving the relays blown forever, actually. MEU ships are faster than Star Trek ships, and that universe works OK.

[katamuro]

I would say it is one of the least problematic logical fallacy committed in ME3. there are far bigger issues there but you all know them so I am not going to list them again.

[AlanC9]

Logical fallacy is a bit much. Until a sequel ships we don't have any solid figures on how long repairs would actually take. The only characters we see returning to their homeworlds live so long that they could get there even if the relays were never repaired at all; I don't think this is a coincidence

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 février 2014 - 10:30 .

[katamuro]

AlanC9 wrote...

Logical fallacy is a bit much. Until a sequel ships we don't have any solid figures on how long repairs would actually take. The only characters we see returning to their homeworlds live so long that they could get there even if the relays were never repaired at all; I don't think this is a coincidence

The problem with relays in Destroy for example which I consider the most likely to be canonized ending is that it cripples the relays and destroys all reapers, geth even EDI. In the other endings the Reapers could help rebuild them quite easily considering that they move much faster than other ships however in Destroy with no Reapers, Geth who could actually do it or EDI they have to first fully understand how they work. I think the way they will do it is by revealing that Asari have a lot more technology than they told anyone even other Asari. Why did Aethyta say that she tried to get the Asari to start building their own relays? I think that will be taken as the way "out". By logical fallacy I referred to several others that unless conveniently retconned again will be major walls to consistent and believable ME universe. Also what kind of energy weapon built against reapers cant discriminate between techno-organic reapers and purely synthetics like Geth and EDI. And why did relays blow up? Surely if the amount of energy needed to overload those huge things was distributed through the galaxy everyone would die. It is a major plot point in ME2 that destroying a relay requires hell of a lot of energy. In ME1 Mu relay was thrown from its usual place by supernova and it still worked. So...