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[Guanxii]

I find it amazing how many awful talon players there given that cain mines and omni-bows take no skill and are ridiculously OP on host. I've not played him on platinum personally but a number of times I've used him on gold I've noticed other players tend to leave the game out of frustration of not being able to keep up and I feel like a kill stealling trolly asswhole with the bows and the cain spam.
 
There is no trade-off between omni-bow and cain mines (skip concussive bows - they're terribad) - he's fragile no matter what you do with him.

Talon Merc (606666)

Modifié par Guanxii, 18 février 2014 - 08:06 .

[NuclearTech76]

tjbearpig wrote...

Even cain mine spam isn't really cheesy in the long run. Sure you can nuke spawns and pop thermal clip packs like an addict, but when you run out it takes about 2 waves of waiting and ammo box hogging to replenish the grenade count to full capacity. Also note that enemies have to be breathing down each other's necks for maximum effectiveness. A reave spamming justicar could probably do more damage overall lol

Edit: Except maybe on glacier

LULZ!!!! You haven't seen someone who can play the Talon properly if you truly believe this. 

[tjbearpig]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

tjbearpig wrote...

Even cain mine spam isn't really cheesy in the long run. Sure you can nuke spawns and pop thermal clip packs like an addict, but when you run out it takes about 2 waves of waiting and ammo box hogging to replenish the grenade count to full capacity. Also note that enemies have to be breathing down each other's necks for maximum effectiveness. A reave spamming justicar could probably do more damage overall lol

Edit: Except maybe on glacier

LULZ!!!! You haven't seen someone who can play the Talon properly if you truly believe this. 

I've seen FTL go to town with it. I just personally have bad experiences with the kit. Maybe that's just because I pug a lot.

Modifié par tjbearpig, 18 février 2014 - 07:45 .

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

N7didacus wrote...

If all you do is spamming CMs.

[Striker93175]

If you build him wet tissue paper AP arrows + cain mines.
Arc pistol with power amp and stunner mods
Pistol 3 amp, AP 4 ammo, power amp 4, nade gear...

Drop 3 cains into a spawn at beginning of each wave, fire 1 or 2 = kill streak. Then use AP arrows and charged Arc pistol... brutes and ravagers go down in 1-2 shots. everything else just dies. (gold, a few mines or arc pistol shots plat)

I use to only use the graal... till I recently put the arc pistol on him. Will never look back. With super fast recharge on nades plus nades on map, there is no reason for the start of every single wave not to be a kill streak and really not need to spam thermal clips

Once you get into higher waves provided you have done the initial drop 3 into spawn -as the end of the wave- there is no reason that you cant blow that spawn beginning of next wave, turn, fire 6 or so more into the next spawn, and land 2 kill streaks on waves 7/8/9 (not to mention also having your actual missiles too!)


It's absurd. But fun

Modifié par Striker93175, 18 février 2014 - 07:53 .

[Argent Xero]

Guanxii wrote...

I find it amazing how many awful talon players there given that cain mines and omni-bows take no skill and are ridiculously OP on host. I've not played him on platinum personally but a number of times I've used him on gold I've noticed other players tend to leave the game out of frustration of not being able to keep up and I feel like a kill stealling trolly asswhole with the bows and the cain spam.
 
There is no trade-off between omni-bow and cain mines (skip concussive bows - they're terribad) - he's fragile no matter what you do with him.

Talon Merc (606666)

says the Omni-Bow doesn't take skill. Doesn't use Concussive Arrows because they are terribad.

[tjbearpig]

Concussive arrows are great, anything that sends a phantom ragdolling to her doom is fine by me

[Guanxii]

ArgentN7 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

I find it amazing how many awful talon players there given that cain mines and omni-bows take no skill and are ridiculously OP on host. I've not played him on platinum personally but a number of times I've used him on gold I've noticed other players tend to leave the game out of frustration of not being able to keep up and I feel like a kill stealling trolly asswhole with the bows and the cain spam.
 
There is no trade-off between omni-bow and cain mines (skip concussive bows - they're terribad) - he's fragile no matter what you do with him.

Talon Merc (606666)

says the Omni-Bow doesn't take skill. Doesn't use Concussive Arrows because they are terribad.

They're terribad because they're pointless by comparison. Not worth the 21 points. You'd maybe use them on Phantoms and then you'd switch back to armor piercing bows when their shields are down anyway.

Modifié par Guanxii, 18 février 2014 - 08:07 .

[Sulaco_7]

It's cheesy, but I dunno if it's annoying... unlike recon mine spam or flamer spam, there is no visual effect that gets in your way.

[DragonRacer]

Miniditka77 wrote...

I think he's fun to play with a Bow build.  Just use a Cyclonic.  Cain Mines are actually kind of fun to use as traps instead of spamming them.  Works really well to prevent those filthy Dragoons from whipping you in the back.

That's how I prefer to play mine. I'll spam the bow like a madwoman and lay down cain mines in high-traffic areas as needed.

[Sentient Toaster]

Don't have the kit yet, but not clear to me that it could be cheesier than cloak + Snap Wallhax...

[Deerber]

The Talon is the Reegar of classes. Do I need to add anything more?

[MGW7]

Sentient Toaster wrote...

Don't have the kit yet, but not clear to me that it could be cheesier than cloak + Snap Wallhax...

4000+ damage to anything not armored, 6000+ to armor, spamable nukes that you can carry more than 20 of, if you are coordinated you can speed run platinum without any missiles in less than 10 minutes, Nothing else can compete with the raw dps of cain spam,

[Argent Xero]

Guanxii wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

I find it amazing how many awful talon players there given that cain mines and omni-bows take no skill and are ridiculously OP on host. I've not played him on platinum personally but a number of times I've used him on gold I've noticed other players tend to leave the game out of frustration of not being able to keep up and I feel like a kill stealling trolly asswhole with the bows and the cain spam.
 
There is no trade-off between omni-bow and cain mines (skip concussive bows - they're terribad) - he's fragile no matter what you do with him.

Talon Merc (606666)

says the Omni-Bow doesn't take skill. Doesn't use Concussive Arrows because they are terribad.

They're terribad because they're pointless by comparison. Not worth the 21 points. You'd maybe use them on Phantoms and then you'd switch back to armor piercing bows when their shields are down anyway.

why would you switch to AP arrows on a Barrierless Phantom?

[Wizard of Ox]

Deerber wrote...

The Talon is the Reegar of classes. Do I need to add anything more?

This: 

[IamZAE]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Yes if you can stay alive without a doubt the highest DPS win class in the game. If Cain Mine actually were fixed to reliably hit enemies within their proximity, not explode when spammed, and be blocked by ****** power bubbles, it would be a fun kit. Great idea, ****** poor implementation which should be the tagline for all things EA.

extremely incorrect. and off base. the talon merc has the highest SPIKE damage..not the most DPS.

GI, krogan/batarian soldier, N7 Fury, Krogan shaman TGI all have much more DPS. 

yes there are certain maps when coupled with a good cain mine spam loadout could be trivializing (glacier geth gold solo) but other then that there are a handful of more DPS kits over the course of a match.

also the platinum and gold solo records arent held by talon merc... oh wait yes they are muahahhahhaa.

i love that kit to death but i dont play him often now because of all the kitty kats who squeal like pigs when i use the kit.

Modifié par IamZAE, 18 février 2014 - 09:14 .

[Deerber]

KroGan_eRRanT wrote...

Deerber wrote...

The Talon is the Reegar of classes. Do I need to add anything more?

This: 

Good guy. Now I understand why I like you 

[chcknwng]

NVM

Modifié par wngmv, 18 février 2014 - 10:26 .

[Mighty Omnibutton]

FuriousFelicia wrote...
The only thing this kit needs is a good stagger, prefferably AoE weapon that allows easy bow action in between shots.

Try Venom with Omniblade then.
Or GPS with autoaim, it's not AoE but the uncharged shot can stagger multiple enemies with disruptor rounds if you're close enough.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

ArgentN7 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

Guanxii wrote...

I find it amazing how many awful talon players there given that cain mines and omni-bows take no skill and are ridiculously OP on host. I've not played him on platinum personally but a number of times I've used him on gold I've noticed other players tend to leave the game out of frustration of not being able to keep up and I feel like a kill stealling trolly asswhole with the bows and the cain spam.
 
There is no trade-off between omni-bow and cain mines (skip concussive bows - they're terribad) - he's fragile no matter what you do with him.

Talon Merc (606666)

says the Omni-Bow doesn't take skill. Doesn't use Concussive Arrows because they are terribad.

They're terribad because they're pointless by comparison. Not worth the 21 points. You'd maybe use them on Phantoms and then you'd switch back to armor piercing bows when their shields are down anyway.

why would you switch to AP arrows on a Barrierless Phantom?

Bleed damage

[Beerfish]

tjbearpig wrote...

Even cain mine spam isn't really cheesy in the long run. Sure you can nuke spawns and pop thermal clip packs like an addict, but when you run out it takes about 2 waves of waiting and ammo box hogging to replenish the grenade count to full capacity. Also note that enemies have to be breathing down each other's necks for maximum effectiveness. A reave spamming justicar could probably do more damage overall lol

Edit: Except maybe on glacier

They regenerate fast enough and you can pick them up at boxes so running out is not a massvie issue.  Can you reave a possessed praetorian to death just by dancing out of his range behind cover and plopping down 3 mines, repeat a few times?

He is cheesy believe me.  As I said, i play him like garbage and still usually scores big against both mooks and bosses.  A good efficient player would totally wreck with this class just spamming mines.

[IamZAE]

Beerfish wrote...

tjbearpig wrote...

Even cain mine spam isn't really cheesy in the long run. Sure you can nuke spawns and pop thermal clip packs like an addict, but when you run out it takes about 2 waves of waiting and ammo box hogging to replenish the grenade count to full capacity. Also note that enemies have to be breathing down each other's necks for maximum effectiveness. A reave spamming justicar could probably do more damage overall lol

Edit: Except maybe on glacier

They regenerate fast enough and you can pick them up at boxes so running out is not a massvie issue.  Can you reave a possessed praetorian to death just by dancing out of his range behind cover and plopping down 3 mines, repeat a few times?

He is cheesy believe me.  As I said, i play him like garbage and still usually scores big against both mooks and bosses.  A good efficient player would totally wreck with this class just spamming mines.

everything is cheesey on gold. play with me with two ramdom pugs on platinum amd show me how cheesey he is

[Tokenusername]

IamZAE wrote...

play with me with two ramdom pugs on platinum

But how can it be a 1v1 if there are two extra pugs?

[IamZAE]

Tokenusername wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

play with me with two ramdom pugs on platinum

But how can it be a 1v1 if there are two extra pugs?

i was trying not to resort to that for once

[Mighty Omnibutton]

Tokenusername wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

play with me with two ramdom pugs on platinum

But how can it be a 1v1 if there are two extra pugs?

Come on, isn't it obvious?
He said "pugs" and "platinum" in the same sentence.
You know it's possible.