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[Sion1138]

RangerSG wrote...

For me, when I create a character, I typically have a High Concept I'm going for. So gender falls in line with the tropes I'm playing to (or subverting). I prefer female "casters" generally. Unless they're the 'sage' characters, then I go for a male (in NWN, bards, sorceresses, clerics or druids were typically female for me. Wizards and 'spellswords' were usually male). Same thing in ME, I think of what I want my character's view of the galaxy to be, and how Shepard would deal with the problems of the game, and then I work backward to class, gender, and such.

So you don't make characters who are a projection or version of yourself in the secondary world?

When you play a female character, do you try and think like a woman, all things included? I mean, there are quite significant differences in the psychological foundation of a female as opposed to a male.

Do you then take these into account and do you extrapolate historical character development from the background information provided (e.g. spacer, earthborn etc..) and perhaps your own imagined events in conjunction with the foundation?

Modifié par Sion1138, 20 février 2014 - 12:19 .

[Sir DeLoria]

 Funny, I play a female character in almost every RPG, but I always play as MaleShep. I just can't go without my Johnny Depp Shepard^_^

[Sir DeLoria]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
There are plenty of female protagonist with much better voice acting than FemShep. 

FemBoss 1 ftw

I loved FemBoss 3 in SR3. In SR4 I kept switching between FemBoss 1 and 2.

Modifié par Necanor, 20 février 2014 - 12:20 .

[RangerSG]

Sion1138 wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

For me, when I create a character, I typically have a High Concept I'm going for. So gender falls in line with the tropes I'm playing to (or subverting). I prefer female "casters" generally. Unless they're the 'sage' characters, then I go for a male (in NWN, bards, sorceresses, clerics or druids were typically female for me. Wizards and 'spellswords' were usually male). Same thing in ME, I think of what I want my character's view of the galaxy to be, and how Shepard would deal with the problems of the game, and then I work backward to class, gender, and such.

So you don't make characters who are a projection or version of yourself in the secondary world?

When you play a female character, do you try and think like a woman, all things included? I mean, there are quite significant differences in the psychological foundation of a female as opposed to a male.

Do you then take these into account and do you extrapolate historical character development from the background information provided (e.g. spacer, earthborn etc..) and perhaps your own imagined events in conjunction with these fundamental traits?

I'm a writer (or at least, an aspiring one ), so I build characters for RPGs based on the same model I'd use for main characters when I write a novel. 

As far as 'thinking like a woman' goes, I try to verbalize emotions more (without going overboard), and play more intuitive characters (generally). But I don't play straight to tropes either. Generally, it's worked well. Even in my writing, when I've had female leads, people have been surprised to find I'm a guy.

[RangerSG]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I will play as either one, both VAs bring their own strengths to the table. These male shep vs femshep pissing contests are ridiculous. Let people play as the gender that they want.

Currently doing a trilogy run with a male vanguard. Next time I do a trilogy run it will probably be with female infiltrator.

Agreed. I don't understand it. There are things Meer does quite well. I don't think he plays a pure idealist paragon well. But even a pragmatic one, his acting is solid enough. And on the other side, I don't think Hale does a true Renegade as well. She can be hard when she has to be. But 'always' hard? It starts to become brittle. 

[BurningBlood]

Among the trilogy I have 6 Shepards: 4 male and 2 female.

Regarding the voice acting: I haven't imported a femshep into ME3 yet so I don't know how Hale's performance was, but I found her consistently good in 1 and 2. Meer was noticeably worse in 1, but improved considerably for 2 and remained good in 3.

Regarding playing as Femshep: My femsheps trend towards being more renegade, as opposed to my more paragon brosheps. The paragon choices feel more natural to me, so I suspect that as a guy playing a female character makes it easier to go renegade because I feel one step further removed from the character. I spoke to a buddy of mine about this, and he said he'd done pretty much the same thing (he also made his femshep look like his wife, and then his wife was like, "why did you give her all these horrible scars?")

[von uber]

Actually I realise I always play as a female given the choice: Skyrim, Saints Row, Mass Effect, Guild Wars, Torchlight 2 etc..

[Xemnas07]

Lol i kicked a nest with some of the fsheps in here, sorry guys, i didnt mean to put down fshep, i just cant play as her, it doesnt feel right to me. Some people dont like Meer's VA, but i find it great. Hale does great too. Idk, i jsut cant imagine fshep in the most emotional scenes of the game, it doesnt feel right. Thats just me though

[Xemnas07]

RangerSG wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I will play as either one, both VAs bring their own strengths to the table. These male shep vs femshep pissing contests are ridiculous. Let people play as the gender that they want.

Currently doing a trilogy run with a male vanguard. Next time I do a trilogy run it will probably be with female infiltrator.

Agreed. I don't understand it. There are things Meer does quite well. I don't think he plays a pure idealist paragon well. But even a pragmatic one, his acting is solid enough. And on the other side, I don't think Hale does a true Renegade as well. She can be hard when she has to be. But 'always' hard? It starts to become brittle. 

This wasnt meant to be a pissing contest. Im not trying to say one is better than the other, i was jsut throwing out my opinion about playing as either and was asking if i was the only one who felt this way.

[Xemnas07]

Also, Regarding that VA of meer; i havent play fshep in the citadel dlc, but as far as sheploo i considered with Meer, i think meer does FANTASTIC in the citadel dlc. he sells the nostalgic-sad-goobye to our beloved trilogy and crew EXTREMELY well, and i loved every second of it.

[Sion1138]

RangerSG wrote...

I'm a writer (or at least, an aspiring one ), so I build characters for RPGs based on the same model I'd use for main characters when I write a novel. 

As far as 'thinking like a woman' goes, I try to verbalize emotions more (without going overboard), and play more intuitive characters (generally). But I don't play straight to tropes either. Generally, it's worked well. Even in my writing, when I've had female leads, people have been surprised to find I'm a guy.

I'd like to be able to do that.

As it is, if I wrote a novel then it wouldn't have a single female character in it, or at least, no specifically female characters.

And that's not misogyny neither, I am actually not a masculine type of man's man type of man at all, I'm the only male child in an extended family with two sisters and three female 1st degree cousins.

But I couldn't ever be arsed to either play a female character in a role-playing game or to develop a fictional female character. 

I am intrigued by this, it may be a pathology of sorts. 

[BurningBlood]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Also, Regarding that VA of meer; i havent play fshep in the citadel dlc, but as far as sheploo i considered with Meer, i think meer does FANTASTIC in the citadel dlc. he sells the nostalgic-sad-goobye to our beloved trilogy and crew EXTREMELY well, and i loved every second of it.

Agreed.  The final line is a whole two words, but Meer delivered them perfectly.

[RangerSG]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Also, Regarding that VA of meer; i havent play fshep in the citadel dlc, but as far as sheploo i considered with Meer, i think meer does FANTASTIC in the citadel dlc. he sells the nostalgic-sad-goobye to our beloved trilogy and crew EXTREMELY well, and i loved every second of it.

I agree. He did quite well with the citadel DLC. By ME3, I think any discrepancy between the two is more residual based on the earlier issues, rather than his actual performance. Meer truly did up his game in ME2.

[von uber]

Well this begs an interesting question: if, in the mass effect trilogy you could only play as femshep, would you have bought the game?

[RangerSG]

von uber wrote...

Well this begs an interesting question: if, in the mass effect trilogy you could only play as femshep, would you have bought the game?

Probably not. Especially the way default FemShep looked in ME1. There's looking professional military, and then there's being bland. 

[eyezonlyii]

StreetMagic wrote...

von uber wrote...

Well this begs an interesting question: if, in the mass effect trilogy you could only play as femshep, would you have bought the game?

Maybe. Hard to say. Most Bioware games follow roughly the same formula, so I would've given it a chance.

That said, I think all of Femshep's romances suck. She's hooked up with a bunch of Paragon types. Or just something ugly as ****. Like Garrus. I don't want to think about human/turian sex. Sounds like it'd chafe or something.

I would have given her Zaeed and James, not have had Jacob cheat (unless not loyal then...duh, NOT LOYAL), and possibly Jack too.

[Skvindt]

You aren't alone OP.

[themikefest]

von uber wrote...

Well this begs an interesting question: if, in the mass effect trilogy you could only play as femshep, would you have bought the game?

Obviously for me yes.

If Mass Effect was only maleshep I would still buy it.

[eyezonlyii]

von uber wrote...

Well this begs an interesting question: if, in the mass effect trilogy you could only play as femshep, would you have bought the game?

YES! I love strong independent black video game women who don't need no man! 

[Xemnas07]

BurningBlood wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

Also, Regarding that VA of meer; i havent play fshep in the citadel dlc, but as far as sheploo i considered with Meer, i think meer does FANTASTIC in the citadel dlc. he sells the nostalgic-sad-goobye to our beloved trilogy and crew EXTREMELY well, and i loved every second of it.

Agreed.  The final line is a whole two words, but Meer delivered them perfectly.

Right? Hit me right in the feels when he delivered that line. Jesus. 

[The Elite Elite]

Wow, I didn't realize so many people thought Meer's acting got better in games 2 & 3. To me his acting sounded even more wooden in the two sequels.

[Sion1138]

starlitegirlx wrote...

No, my gender doesn't enter into it at all. If Mark didn't suck beyond words, I would have loved to play male shep and try the different romances. In fact, having a male voice that is good at voice acting would have made it especially enjoyable. As it was, playing male shep with Mark doing the voice was just tedious. He sounded like he was reading a very boring book. No inflections. No sense of motivation. And when you listen to every other voice actor in the game, it's even worse. Look at Garrus. Look at Liara. Look at Tali. Even Anderson telling you he was born in London every twenty minutes like he's on the verge of Dementia does it better than anything Mark did in ME1 and ME2 combined. I don't even think I finished playing 2.

Skyrim is a different story. So many races and you really don't actually see your character if you run it first person. It's clip free, which I've come to appreciate after all the cutscenes that we got for ME3 - made it half movie, half game. Less fun. But if I am going to see the scenes, I would have loved to do one male shep that was the model they chose and then create one of my own. I feel like Mark's bad voice acting took that away from me. I started the game with male shep and then switched to female because I couldn't get into it. That's when all my fun began. But I really did try to go back to Male shep twice after that.

So you don't project, you don't enter into the world as some derivative of yourself.

From my point of view, that's a basic requirement. How can I bring myself to genuinely care about events and choices made if the character I am inhabiting has no relation to myself in their views and traits?

Of course, I am able consider viewpoints which are not my own or infer the development of certain character traits as a consequence of character's history but only to a certain degree. In essence I will always be playing myself, modified by the secondary world.
 
[ex.: In Skyrim and other Elder Scrolls games I always play a male Imperial. I could do a Nord or an Elf but never cats or lizards.] 

That's what I call role-playing, but apparently this isn't a wide-spread view. I had no idea.

A couple more questions: What would you say to a mute protagonist and how much are you able or willing to fill in the blank spaces regarding your character's thoughts, behavior, mannerisms, tone etc.?

Modifié par Sion1138, 20 février 2014 - 03:01 .

[Xemnas07]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

I play skyrim and I don't play as a man on that one. But with all the races to choose, it seems less a priority. I tried male shep and after two games I just couldn't deal with is terrible voice acting. To each their own.

So, is the quality of voice acting more important to you than being able to fully project onto and into the character? Your own gender doesn't enter into it?

Just curious.

No, my gender doesn't enter into it at all. If Mark didn't suck beyond words, I would have loved to play male shep and try the different romances. In fact, having a male voice that is good at voice acting would have made it especially enjoyable. As it was, playing male shep with Mark doing the voice was just tedious. He sounded like he was reading a very boring book. No inflections. No sense of motivation. And when you listen to every other voice actor in the game, it's even worse. Look at Garrus. Look at Liara. Look at Tali. Even Anderson telling you he was born in London every twenty minutes like he's on the verge of Dementia does it better than anything Mark did in ME1 and ME2 combined. I don't even think I finished playing 2.

Skyrim is a different story. So many races and you really don't actually see your character if you run it first person. It's clip free, which I've come to appreciate after all the cutscenes that we got for ME3 - made it half movie, half game. Less fun. But if I am going to see the scenes, I would have loved to do one male shep that was the model they chose and then create one of my own. I feel like Mark's bad voice acting took that away from me. I started the game with male shep and then switched to female because I couldn't get into it. That's when all my fun began. But I really did try to go back to Male shep twice after that.

while i respect your opinion, i highly disagree. Maybe Meer's VA in ME1 could have used some improvement, but take into account that was his first major role. Now only that, he voices vorcha and volus throughout the trilogy. But in ME2 and 3, he sold the emotion pretty damn well, especially in ME3 with the Citadel DLC, his delivery and emotion in thos moments were powerful. However, this is all personal taste and opinion, so i respect yours, but i respectfully disagree