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[Autocrat]

 My question is simple: Will I be able to role play a Roose Bolton like inquisitor? Who is soft spoken, good mannered individual who is also cold, patient, calculating, and capable of great cruelty and sadism? Or will I be forced to become a "wroth" person if I choose acts of cruelty? Too often biwoware confuses sadism and evil with wroth, ill temper and wild behavior. Just because I am patient and calm does not mean I could not inspire fear and awe.

I know Gaider said we will not be able to torture prisoners which will be a serious shame. I can be a mass killer but not a torturer? Paradox Crusader Kings II allows you to castrate and blind your prisoners and its just a grand strategy game , The Wolf Among Us had an optional torture scene in episode 2 to extract information while the game with "Inquisitor" will not allow it?

Modifié par Autocrat, 19 février 2014 - 10:15 .

[CybAnt1]

No, no torture for you.

P.S. given the studio's apparent interest in dealing with real-world social issues in their fantasy and science fiction settings ... like, as I said, the perennial debate between order & liberty ... it's a shame they're not even interested in touching the debate over its real-world usage, perhaps by dealing with one or more moral dilemmas over using it in the game.

BTW, I'd even be OK if they put a situation in the game where the choice to do it is surrounded by flashing warning signs suggesting you're a reprehensible monster for even considering it in all cases --- i.e. there's no way the choice to do so is any way, shape, or form considered "good" or even "necessary" by anyone other than you -- but they just don't seem to want to touch the issue at all.

I guess I can understand it, there have already been a lot of weird criticisms of their games from political commentators, and that could only invite more.
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[addiction21]

Then go play Crusader Kings or Wolf Among Us (both great games imho) to get your fill and get over that you wont be doing it in DAI.

[Taleroth]

I'm pretty sure you can't be a serial killer, either. Most murder knife prompts tend to at least pretend there's a reason for it. It's not like you were luring random townspeople into dark alleys.

[Pitrus]

I may have missed some info, but have they actually said there will be prisoners from whom information can be extracted?

[Heimdall]

Pitrus wrote...

I may have missed some info, but have they actually said there will be prisoners from whom information can be extracted?

Nope, but it's what people think of when they hear "Inquisition"

[durasteel]

Lord Aesir wrote...
Nope, but it's what people think of when they hear "Inquisition"

I still think of Mel Brooks as a singing/dancing cardinal.

I like what I think of better than what "people" think of.

[Heimdall]

durasteel wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
Nope, but it's what people think of when they hear "Inquisition"

I still think of Mel Brooks as a singing/dancing cardinal.

I like what I think of better than what "people" think of.

I think of "Nobody expects-!"  And then I strangle the thought.

[Dave of Canada]

They probably won't because it's not politically correct.

[Neon Rising Winter]

If they do this, I want voice commands and I want an achievement for yelling "Fetch the comfy chair" at the key moment.

[Maclimes]

Here's the problem: You think your choices are on the spectrum of Evil <----> Good.

But that's not the case. (I blame KOTOR for setting that up).

You are ALWAYS "Good". Your spectrum is more akin to Ruthlessly Efficient <----> Kind Hearted. (Or to put it another way, Renegade/Paragon).

Consider DA:O. There's no "evil" path. There's corrupt and take-no-crap options. But an "evil" option would be to side with Darkspawn or Loghain or something like that. No, you still are a good guy, and your goal is to defeat the bad guy. The only question is of your methods.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Good old bioware forums. If it isn't about sex, it's about violent murder torture.

[thats1evildude]

That's such a fallacy, equating kiling in combat with cold-blooded torture.

Get your torture porn elsewhere.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 19 février 2014 - 11:55 .

[addiction21]

Maclimes wrote...


Consider DA:O. There's no "evil" path. There's corrupt and take-no-crap options. But an "evil" option would be to side with Darkspawn or Loghain or something like that. No, you still are a good guy, and your goal is to defeat the bad guy. The only question is of your methods.

Side with the force of darkness out to wipe all life but their own from the face of the planet or the guy that wants you dead no matter what because you are the key evidence of his corruption? Sounds more stupid then being evil and I am not even interested in the "kill everything and be horrible to everyone" mustache twirling evil.

I'd rather BIoWare try to keep to and refine the morally questionable "is it or is it not evil? And if it is, is it worth doing?"  Sure its not been perfect or great but then again that's why Loghain is one of those controversial characters.

[Gold Dragon]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Good old bioware forums. If it isn't about sex, it's about violent murder torture.

I agree.


I also question my sanity for willingly reading these forums.:blink:

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 20 février 2014 - 12:01 .

[Grieving Natashina]

This was all David Gaider had to say to the inclusion of torture, right before he locked the thread:

Inclusion of Torture as an Inquisitor

David Gaider writes...

No. You will not be able to torture people in DAI.

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 février 2014 - 12:00 .

[Dave of Canada]

thats1evildude wrote...

Get your torture porn elsewhere.

Yes, any desire for torture within the game is because of "torture porn" and can't possibly be for anything else.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Can we send people to the dungeon?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Dave of Canada wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Get your torture porn elsewhere.

Yes, any desire for torture within the game is because of "torture porn" and can't possibly be for anything else.

I blame grand theft auto 5.

[Demx]

Taleroth wrote...

I'm pretty sure you can't be a serial killer, either. Most murder knife prompts tend to at least pretend there's a reason for it. It's not like you were luring random townspeople into dark alleys.

But I have a perfectly heroic reason as to why I need to meet Farmer 2 in a dark alley with a burlap sack.

[CybAnt1]

BTW, one of the real world arguments against torture is that it leads to useless information that is often inaccurate. They could have contributed to the real world debate against it by having a scenario in which exactly that happens.

Of course, well, I don't know how to put this diplomatically, so maybe I'll go for direct, maybe this new Bioware studio isn't interested in dealing with "issues" so much anymore.

I mean, look, take away the trappings and the perennial, thread-spanning mage vs. templar debate is really the both old and modern debate of order vs. liberty. Heck, they've even named one mage faction "the libertarians".

To take one example of a series that depicts torture, precisely to spark a debate about it among the audience, I would have to say one of the most recent sci-fi examples would be Battlestar Galactica (the remake) ..... and it is for those reasons that they touch the topic.

[Pitrus]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Pitrus wrote...

I may have missed some info, but have they actually said there will be prisoners from whom information can be extracted?

Nope, but it's what people think of when they hear "Inquisition"

Well then people are thinking inquisition as in rooting out heretics, which sometimes implied torture. I can hardly imagine our purpose in DAI being to similarly imprison and interrogate random people off the streets, torturing them to indicate some aversion to the chantry.

My point is that while I wouldn't exactly mind optional enhanced interrogation included if it made sense to the game, I see no reason to shoehorn it in just because there's a preconceived idea that it's what an inquisitor is supposed to be doing. To me that just seems like a disturbing form of fanservice...

[Karlone123]

It is as simple as that, you will not be able to torture people in DAI. But I can see this issue will not be dropped and torture will still be requested.

[leaguer of one]

.....Why does stuff like this always come up in this forum? Why do you want to torture people that badly?