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[genuinelyfrans]

I personally loved DA2. Not really sure why everyone thinks that it is so bad! I thought I could relate more to the characters and I FELT for them more then the ones in Origins! My one is issue is that the game was not as long. I started playing Inquisition last week and I think it is awesome and the graphics are amazing but I really miss the Kirkwall characters and I am kind of bummed since I do not really feel like we got a lot of closure in that chapter of Dragon Age. Sure they bring Hawke and Varric back but Hawke is there for a few missions and while I like Varric he was not my favorite companion. I don't know I just hope they bring back the DA2 characters at some point since they were my favorite as a group (probably since they were all friends)!

[uzivatel]

Alistair and Leliana have at least a few things going on in their character and can both be shaped by the player.

 

I think Morrigan is deep. I find her views on mages interesting, but there is also her interaction with Alistair, as well as the profound impact the Warden can have on her as possibly her first real friend. There is even a line alluding to the Dark Ritual, though you can't know to what she is referring until later. Her romance allows you to challenge her views of love, especially through Witch Hunt. Deleted scenes make it even more meaningful.

 

Considering their DA2 counterparts are Aveline and Varric, I find both Alister and Leliana lacking in comparison.

I am not huge fan of being able to change characters with few dialogue choices, this would make much more sense over long period of time (I think the Hawke sibling changing over the years felt more natural evolution).

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Morrigan, she may not be the best character in video games ever, but she is one of the high points of the series.

[Natureguy85]

Considering their DA2 counterparts are Aveline and Varric, I find both Alister and Leliana lacking in comparison.

I am not huge fan of being able to change characters with few dialogue choices, this would make much more sense over long period of time (I think the Hawke sibling changing over the years felt more natural evolution).

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Morrigan, she may not be the best character in video games ever, but she is one of the high points of the series.

 

I would say Varric is not Leliana's counterpart. That would be Isabella. I think Varric is great and the only character I found interesting in his own right. The other characters were only interesting in the way they clashed with each other, and that was indeed very good.

 

I agree that it does hurt the character arcs to have them be so minimal, but it's something to give the characters a little more depth. The siblings are a good example, but that's more their experiences away from Hawke that change them than Hawke doing it. I think the time skips really hurt what DA2 could have done.

 

 

DA2 was basically a poor attempt to turn Dragon Age into a Mass Effect knockoff (with a defined human protagonist). I sometimes wonder why can't Bioware make DA: Origins 2 the proper way? Why try to turn this game series into something else and loose its "soul" and uniqueness? Its such a shame that even after DA2 and all these years Bioware still didn't understand what many (not all of course) fans of Origins wanted: A sequel with improvements in gameplay, graphics, story etc. not a completely new direction (two times already whats next?)

 

 

I don't see why this is a surprise considering they messed with what Mass Effect was.

[Merle McClure II]

I think probably because Oghren being forced into Awakening the way that he was left a sour taste in most fan's mouth.

[uzivatel]

I would say Varric is not Leliana's counterpart. That would be Isabella. I think Varric is great and the only character I found interesting in his own right. The other characters were only interesting in the way they clashed with each other, and that was indeed very good.

 

I agree that it does hurt the character arcs to have them be so minimal, but it's something to give the characters a little more depth. The siblings are a good example, but that's more their experiences away from Hawke that change them than Hawke doing it. I think the time skips really hurt what DA2 could have done.

 

Isabela's counterpart is Zevran (once again proving DA2 superior...).

 

You do not add depth by being able to switch them with few dialogue options, it makes their personalities look even more lacking.

Sure, it is more likely people change after years of experience than few dialogues.

The time skips are part of the game. Should have been shorter though, makes it odd the character models show no signs of aging.

[Merle McClure II]

Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustration at not seeing a character that you like, but at the same time it's my understanding that Oghren was never one of the more popular ones. It's my understanding that the order of popularity goes something like this:

 

 

(1) Morigan & Alistair are a virtual tie.

 

(2) Lel is just a hair behind the front runners, mostly because people are still put off by her "getting better".

 

(3) Z is in a far distant third place.

 

 

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My personal preference would be for the devs to largely drop ALL of the original Dragon Age Origins companions considering the amount of time that has passed in universe and to start phasing out the Dragon Age II companions as well. Every couple of games should be a fresh slate simply because of the continarity snarls that are bond to arise. 

[Merle McClure II]

Firstly, kindly cease with your nonsense about how I'm apparently an "Oghren hater" for simply pointing out the truth that he was never one of the popular companions or that him being introduced in Awakening felt clumsy and forced. Secondly, it's my understanding that Gaider has come out and said that placing Oghren in Awakening was one of his regrets.

 

 

As for Sandal and Bodhan, actually I'm glad that they were phased out at least for now, Dragon Age is going to be a much stronger story if they are able to break away from having Mascots in my opinion. 

[Merle McClure II]

If I remember correctly it was on Gaider's blog ... it basically went along the lines that he regretted putting Oghren into Awakening because that was the one time he put an existing character into the story even though said character didn't really belong. (Now I don't really believe Gaider when he claims that was the only time he did that but that's neither here nor there.)

 

 

As for your suggested shout outs ... yeah I wouldn't mind seeing them as they are both low key and well done, but I think the problem that the devs are faced with is that there are enough companions throughout the games & DLCs that keeping track of their world states and introducing cameos for all of them simply isn't possible.

 

 

I understand your frustration completely ... I wish that King Alistair gushed about his beloved Mistress as much as Warden Alistair does as an example.

[Natureguy85]

 

I disagree, Oghren was awesome and alot better companion. I also never really understood all the love for Varric. He's alright, but nothing special. He was more prominent in DAII, but he just kind of feels forgotten to me in Inquisition. I tend to forget I have him as a companion at times and find myself using him less than anybody else. I would rather have Oghren back any day. I still don't understand why did we get a stupid lousy painting of Oghren's concept art which can be seen near the bar at the Hanged Man in DA2 and not even a freaking reference to his entire existence in the game? What the hell gives?!! Bioware could have made him a stinking cameo just like, Wynne, Nate Howe, Zevran, ect. Oghren could have given us an update on how his new wife Felsi and kid are doing. (if persuaded to be part of their lives) and so on. It all begs the question, why wasn't Oghren in or even at the very least mentioned in DA3 and DA2 then?

 

 

I never mentioned Oghren nor compared the two. Are you Oghren's character writer? I can see no other reason for the level of emotional attachment you have to him. All that ranting about "true Oghren fans" and "Oghren haters" makes you sound crazy.

 

Isabela's counterpart is Zevran (once again proving DA2 superior...).

 

You do not add depth by being able to switch them with few dialogue options, it makes their personalities look even more lacking.

Sure, it is more likely people change after years of experience than few dialogues.

The time skips are part of the game. Should have been shorter though, makes it odd the character models show no signs of aging.

 

Uh, no nothing about that proves DA2 superior. You're right that there are similarities between Isabella and Zevran, but that doesn't change the similarities between Isabella and Leliana, where there really aren't any between Leliana and Varric. Are you thinking in terms of class and weapons? I meant more in terms of their character.

 

You're right that being able to easily switch the characters' personalities doesn't add depth, but I didn't say that it did. I think it does make them more interesting as game companions though. The depth comes from them having more defining characteristics or beliefs. The characters in Origins have more to them than the characters in DA2.

 

(1) Morigan & Alistair are a virtual tie.

 

I doubt that. Morrigan seems to be most people's top character, though many do also like Alistair.

[Natureguy85]

Not Crazy... just extremely P!ssed off that Oghren never got any mention in these games...

 

Hey at least he wasn't killed by the save import system like Nathaniel was.

[Natureguy85]

 

How was Nate Howe killed by the save import system? it made no reference to him in Dragon Age 3?

 

If so then that import system is a joke...

 

 

If Nathaniel was not in your party when you fought The Mother, then DA2 would flag him as "dead" even if he survived the battle at Vigil's Keep. This is similar to how in Mass Effect 2 Conrad Verner accuses Shepard of having pointed a gun in his face in Mass Effect, even if you didn't.

 

Such errors are one of the main reasons for switching to the Keep instead of save imports. Of course this is now void considering all the problems with Worldstate importing.

[Merle McClure II]

Well it's my understanding that Sandal especially was always meant to be a "joke character" and all of the attention that Sandal was getting was simply getting out of hand.

[Merle McClure II]

You could very well be right, I guess we'll have to wait and see if Sandal turns up again or not.

[uzivatel]

Uh, no nothing about that proves DA2 superior. You're right that there are similarities between Isabella and Zevran, but that doesn't change the similarities between Isabella and Leliana, where there really aren't any between Leliana and Varric. Are you thinking in terms of class and weapons? I meant more in terms of their character.

 

You're right that being able to easily switch the characters' personalities doesn't add depth, but I didn't say that it did. I think it does make them more interesting as game companions though. The depth comes from them having more defining characteristics or beliefs. The characters in Origins have more to them than the characters in DA2.

 

Both Varric and Leliana are ranged weapon storytellers with betrayal plot taking place. They are not carbon copy of each other, but neither is Kirkwall and Ferelden.

Varric seems less twisted than Isabela, which makes the former more similar to Leliana and the later to Zevran.

 

I guess we have to disagree on that.