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[Mirrman70]

no, maiden.

[Maiden Crowe]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

You are saying people don't have the facts to support that he didn't go through the Eluvian but you don't really have any to support he did.

Is that question addressed to me ?

Well technically it isnt a question but an assertion and yes it is totally addressed to you.

[Knight of Dane]

I don't think they disappeared at all. At least I don't think they would think so themselves. There's a number of different reasons why the Warden ain't around and Hawke always did whatever in the first place.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

You are saying people don't have the facts to support that he didn't go through the Eluvian but you don't really have any to support he did.

Is that question addressed to me ?

Well technically it isnt a question but an assertion and yes it is totally addressed to you.

Yeah sorry about that, but it isn't TOTALLY addressed to me, (read the first post on this page)
I think it's your cue to pull facts out of your ass .

[Maiden Crowe]

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

You are saying people don't have the facts to support that he didn't go through the Eluvian but you don't really have any to support he did.

Is that question addressed to me ?

Well technically it isnt a question but an assertion and yes it is totally addressed to you.

Yeah sorry about that, but it isn't TOTALLY addressed to me, (read the first post on this page)
I think it's your cue to pull facts out of your ass .

That isnt where facts come from and quite frankly I find it quite disturbing that you have taken such an interest in the contents of my ass.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

You are saying people don't have the facts to support that he didn't go through the Eluvian but you don't really have any to support he did.

Is that question addressed to me ?

Well technically it isnt a question but an assertion and yes it is totally addressed to you.

Yeah sorry about that, but it isn't TOTALLY addressed to me, (read the first post on this page)
I think it's your cue to pull facts out of your ass .

That isnt where facts come from and quite frankly I find it quite disturbing that you have taken such an interest in the contents of my ass.

Well if you are gonna flaunt them oh so brazenly then one would be forced to bring them up. Them being facts out of your ass, or some one else's ass , I really don't know and really don't care.

Modifié par Loghain Mac-Tir, 20 février 2014 - 08:47 .

[Dabrikishaw]

FilthyPlebianN7 wrote...

Too many variables to have them return as npc's, best to let them be written off.

[General TSAR]

Just a handwaved way of BioWare saying forget about them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Sorry, but my Warden would not have gone through the mirror after Morrigan. My Warden was happily married to Alistair and heading back to Denerium after Witch Hunt. The Warden following Morrigan only works for male Wardens.

I'll agree that for a male Warden that had Morrigan is a LI (and if they did the DR and if they played Witch Hunt) that following her was the most likely choice. However, that doesn't explain female Wardens, or those that stabbed Morrigan. It certainly does not explain Hawke's disappearance at all, especially for female Hawkes.

When it comes to both Hawke and the Warden's disappearances, I have a couple of theories.

1) They were lured out and kidnapped by either Flemeth or Morrigan.

This more ties into my "Morrigan is an antagonist" theory. (Note: Antagonist doesn't mean villain.) Using either a message or an illusion, they get our heroes to come meet them. Flemeth or Morrigan knock the PCs out and take them somewhere. It strikes me as too inelegant for either woman.

2) They received a message to meet with Flemeth or Morrigan, and went willingly.

This always seemed more likely to me. One of the two could have put directly what they wanted from the Warden/Hawke into a note and told them to meet them somewhere. In my mind, the heroes were warned about the incoming tears and went somewhere far away to prepare.

Maiden, pro-tip: If you claim something as fact, have a source to back it up. Otherwise, it'll be seen as just opinion.

[Eterna]

Flemeth ate them.

[TheKomandorShepard]

If they won't appear (what i hope for) my theory is simple they will left that to player imagination as they did in dao and daa endings and well such move was done with many protagonist not only in rpg and in the warden case it is right move... if they won't show up we can always imagine they are saving the world we just didn't saw that or that the warden just did things that you wanted to do...

I doubt theory about kidnapping theory first the warden kicked flemeth a** so he/she would handle her even more morrigan unless they will totaly make flemeth villian sue as to that moment bulit that and i hope they won't and simple let me kill her not "hahaha i predicted every your move and manipulated you i won and you can't touch me..."

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 20 février 2014 - 10:21 .

[durasteel]

General TSAR wrote...

Just a handwaved way of BioWare saying forget about them.

Ha ha ha...

No.


It's BioWare's way of letting you know they haven't forgotten about them.

[Ashkaari Adaar]

 Because The Warden went through the Eluvian... Is Hawke disappearing in DLC? I was unaware he does. XD

[Grieving Natashina]

durasteel wrote...

Ha ha ha...

No.


It's BioWare's way of letting you know they haven't forgotten about them.

Agreed.  However, I do think the ending to DA2 was a little weak for using the "...then they vanished" cop-out.  I grumbled quite a bit when they said that the Warden had vanished as well.

It isn't as bad as the rocks fall and everyone dies ending to NWN OC.  It still left an iffy taste in my mouth.

I try to keep some faith though.  This is one of the best game companies out there.  If any team of writers and developers can make that "disappearing" ending work, it's them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ashkaari Adaar wrote...

 Because The Warden went through the Eluvian... Is Hawke disappearing in DLC? I was unaware he does. XD

The Warden going through the Eluvian only works for male Wardens that romanced her.  Oh and that's if they did the Dark Ritual (or talked Alistair/Loghain into doing it) and if the player has Witch Hunt.

Hawke and the Warden are mentioned as being gone at the very end of DA2 by Cassandra.

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 février 2014 - 10:43 .

[Ashkaari Adaar]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

You are saying people don't have the facts to support that he didn't go through the Eluvian but you don't really have any to support he did.

Is that question addressed to me ?

Well technically it isnt a question but an assertion and yes it is totally addressed to you.

Well, this is kind of pointless, considering all of the games are based around your decisions, so if you went through the Eluvian, then there is the facts... If you didn't, then again, there's the facts. I feel like people don't fully understand that this game is based around your decisions, the story is in your hands. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Starsyn wrote...


Agreed.  However, I do think the ending to DA2 was a little weak for using the "...then they vanished" cop-out.  I grumbled quite a bit when they said that the Warden had vanished as well.

It isn't as bad as the rocks fall and everyone dies ending to NWN OC.  It still left an iffy taste in my mouth.

I try to keep some faith though.  This is one of the best game companies out there.  If any team of writers and developers can make that "disappearing" ending work, it's them.

Wait you are talking about nwn 2 or 1? because i liked ending in nwn 2 well not ending but rather where that lead to Nwn MoB so ending wasn't horrible besides you have a more happy ending (only for your character:whistle:) for evil characters

[Ashkaari Adaar]

Starsyn wrote...

Ashkaari Adaar wrote...

 Because The Warden went through the Eluvian... Is Hawke disappearing in DLC? I was unaware he does. XD

The Warden going through the Eluvian only works for male Wardens that romanced her.  Oh and that's if they did the Dark Ritual (or talked Alistair/Loghain into doing it) and if the player has Witch Hunt.

Hawke and the Warden are mentioned as being gone at the very end of DA2 by Cassandra.

Oh, yeah, Cassandra does say that. Well as I just said in a comment, this story is in your hands, make it what you want it to be. I don't see why this is so contraversial.
Also, whether or not you have the DLC is irrelivant, it's still a part of the lore, whether or not somebody has it means nothing in terms of the big picture, it just means they missed out. Also, you don't have to perform the Dark Ritual, you can go through the Eluvian with her, if you romanced her, and didn't performing the Dark Ritual.

Modifié par Ashkaari Adaar, 20 février 2014 - 10:51 .

[Grieving Natashina]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Starsyn wrote...


Agreed.  However, I do think the ending to DA2 was a little weak for using the "...then they vanished" cop-out.  I grumbled quite a bit when they said that the Warden had vanished as well.

It isn't as bad as the rocks fall and everyone dies ending to NWN OC.  It still left an iffy taste in my mouth.

I try to keep some faith though.  This is one of the best game companies out there.  If any team of writers and developers can make that "disappearing" ending work, it's them.

Wait you are talking about nwn 2 or 1? because i liked ending in nwn 2 well not ending but rather where that lead to Nwn MoB so ending wasn't horrible besides you have a more happy ending (only for your character:whistle:) for evil characters

Neverwinter Nights 2, OC.  That was an ending a DM would come up with when he was frustrated with the way his campaign was going.  I know it was a time issue, but between that and the placeholder voice during the ending slide, it was one of the worst endings to a game I'd seen in years.

Mask of the Betrayer was very good, though I never did the "evil" ending.  I usually just ended the spirit eater curse and went on my merry way.  One thing I did like about NWN2: BioWare did a really great job of having a nicely spooky ending if you sided with the Shadow King.

We're getting way off topic here though.

[durasteel]

Starsyn wrote...

Agreed.  However, I do think the ending to DA2 was a little weak for using the "...then they vanished" cop-out.  I grumbled quite a bit when they said that the Warden had vanished as well.
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No, you're totally right about that. The ending of DA2 wasn't supposed to be "the end," because they were working on an expansion pack. Because reasons, they wound up rolling that expansion into DAI.

The expansion was going to be called Exalted March, and I think it was cancelled because of general grumbling about DA2 and because they saw the expansion content as something that could be expanded and given better treatment in the context of DA3.

So that's why the ending was a bit... abrupt.

[durasteel]

Starsyn wrote...
It isn't as bad as the rocks fall and everyone dies ending to NWN OC.  It still left an iffy taste in my mouth.

Reminds me of Mass Effect 3. That ending tasted like burnt crap.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Starsyn wrote...


Neverwinter Nights 2, OC.  That was an ending a DM would come up with when he was frustrated with the way his campaign was going.  I know it was a time issue, but between that and the placeholder voice during the ending slide, it was one of the worst endings to a game I'd seen in years.

Mask of the Betrayer was very good, though I never did the "evil" ending.  I usually just ended the spirit eater curse and went on my merry way.  One thing I did like about NWN2: BioWare did a really great job of having a nicely spooky ending if you sided with the Shadow King.

We're getting way off topic here though.

You rly should play evil ending for MotB it is epic rly and rather dark ending even better than evil ending for nwn 2 but that may be just my opinion if you are too lazy here you have (SPOILER EVIL ENDING IN NEVERWINTER NIGHTS 2 MOTB)

[Grieving Natashina]

Ashkaari Adaar wrote...

Also, whether or not you have the DLC is irrelivant, it's still a part of the lore, whether or not somebody has it means nothing in terms of the big picture, it just means they missed out.

Source for that please.  Last time I read, BioWare had not made the events of Witch Hunt cannon as of yet.  All we know is that Morrigan went elsewhere, probably Orlais.  We don't know how she got there officially.  The OGB, which so many folks bicker about, is not anywhere in BioWare's cannon.  

Also, you don't have to performe the Dark Ritual, you can go through the Eluvian with her, if you romanced her, and didn't performing the Dark Ritual.

Ah, I did forget about option #3: Have Loghain/Alistair do the Ultimate Sacrifice and die defeating the archdemon. You have a point there.

[Grieving Natashina]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...


You rly should play evil ending for MotB it is epic rly and rather dark ending even better than evil ending for nwn 2 but that may be just my opinion if you are too lazy here you have (SPOILER EVIL ENDING IN NEVERWINTER NIGHTS 2 MOTB)

I saw it years ago, along with the evil slide from the OC (which was pretty good and scary.)   Sorry, I'm not going evil in any D&D game.  Chaotic neutral is the darkest I go, and even then it's rare.

Chaotic good for life, yo.  The greater good > all. 



Edit: If you want to continue this D&D discussion, I'll be happy to do so in PMs.  We shouldn't derail the topic with this. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 février 2014 - 10:55 .

[Grieving Natashina]

durasteel wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Agreed.  However, I do think the ending to DA2 was a little weak for using the "...then they vanished" cop-out.  I grumbled quite a bit when they said that the Warden had vanished as well.
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No, you're totally right about that. The ending of DA2 wasn't supposed to be "the end," because they were working on an expansion pack. Because reasons, they wound up rolling that expansion into DAI.

The expansion was going to be called Exalted March, and I think it was cancelled because of general grumbling about DA2 and because they saw the expansion content as something that could be expanded and given better treatment in the context of DA3.

So that's why the ending was a bit... abrupt.

Yeah, I know.  One of the vids I saw recently with David Gaider in it mentioned that.  I'm not sure if it's the footage from Gaymer Con or elsewhere.  I know that BioWare was extremely rushed by EA and that we (the players) missed out on somethings.  

If memory serves, the Exalted March expansion was something they were planning as an expansion to Origins.  Then, right after Witch Hunt, they got told to stop working on Origins stuff and start work on DA2.  After the whopping year that they were given for DA2's development cycle, they started to work on DLCs.  I think the Exalted March was supposed to be the next big one.  Again, EA told BioWare to stop work on anything DA2 related and start with DA3.  

I give BioWare a pass on this, but they could have done a better job with setting up their cliffhanger, in my humble opinion.

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 février 2014 - 10:59 .