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[Ashkaari Adaar]

Starsyn wrote...

Ashkaari Adaar wrote...

Also, whether or not you have the DLC is irrelivant, it's still a part of the lore, whether or not somebody has it means nothing in terms of the big picture, it just means they missed out.

Source for that please.  Last time I read, BioWare had not made the events of Witch Hunt cannon as of yet.  All we know is that Morrigan went elsewhere, probably Orlais.  We don't know how she got there officially.  The OGB, which so many folks bicker about, is not anywhere in BioWare's cannon.  

Also, you don't have to performe the Dark Ritual, you can go through the Eluvian with her, if you romanced her, and didn't performing the Dark Ritual.

Ah, I did forget about option #3: Have Loghain/Alistair do the Ultimate Sacrifice and die defeating the archdemon. You have a point there.

You're allowed to flat out deny her aswell, you don't have to let her perform the ritual at all
Also, I find that argument to be invalid (no offense), it is out, it is a part of the game, it is made by Bioware, that indeed makes it cannon. Not to mention everything in DA:O, and DA:2 are leading up to Inquisition... If you are comparing comics to the game, that's not really a fair comparison, because again, the game is your own shaped world, and the comics are the direction the writers went in order to not conflict with player choices. The game itself is different for everyone, and therefor is unfair to compare to comics.

Modifié par Ashkaari Adaar, 20 février 2014 - 11:02 .

[TK514]

The Warden died slaying the Archdemon, and Hawke, having nothing left to tie them to Kirkwall, liquidated their substantial assets and relocated somewhere that wasn't completely insane. Being one of the wealthiest citizens of a wealthy city state can buy you an awful lot of disappearing.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Starsyn wrote...

I saw it years ago, along with the evil slide from the OC (which was pretty good and scary.)   Sorry, I'm not going evil in any D&D game.  Chaotic neutral is the darkest I go, and even then it's rare.

Chaotic good for life, yo.  The greater good > all. 



Edit: If you want to continue this D&D discussion, I'll be happy to do so in PMs.  We shouldn't derail the topic with this. 

Well i I used to play as chaotic good often now i m rather opposite and play as chaotic evil for time to time i end as CN or CG because i mostly play chaotic characters.

To stay on toppic...

Well there is certain connection between lord capitan and the warden both were rather typical rpg protagonist and both got open endings that their story continues in different ways but we just don't see that i hope that the warden will get same treatment and will be only mentioned by some characters.

Hm i wonder if they would do expasion for the warden like MoTB but rather i doubt that as they said that the warden story is over at least as protagonist...

[Grieving Natashina]

Ashkaari Adaar wrote...
Also, you don't have to performe the Dark Ritual, you can go through the Eluvian with her, if you romanced her, and didn't performing the Dark Ritual.

You're allowed to flat out deny her aswell, you don't have to let her perform the ritual at all

That's why I said this:

Starsyn wrote...

Ah, I did forget about option #3: Have Loghain/Alistair do the Ultimate Sacrifice and die defeating the archdemon. You have a point there. 

Also, I find that argument to be invalid (no offense), it is out, it is a part of the game, it is made by Bioware, that indeed makes it cannon.

There is a difference between "player cannon" and what is actually going to be in the games.

Not to mention everything in DA:O, and DA:2 are leading up to Inquisition...

Um, what are you getting at here?  I know this, but choices are going to vary.  We'll know more about what choices are going to impact Inquisition once the Keep goes live (or the NDA expires.)

If you are comparing comics to the game, that's not really a fair comparison, because again, the game is your own shaped world, and the comics are where the direction the writers went in order to not conflict with player choices. The game itself is different for everyone, and therefor is unfair to compare to comics.

I'm not comparing things to the comics.  I am saying that until BioWare decides to do more with the OBG and the fallout from the Dark Ritual (or lack thereof), it's not going to affect the games.  For now, debating about the OBG is utterly pointless.

Oh and I'll repeat: The Warden vanishing with Morrigan only works if you are male, romanced her and played out the events of Witch Hunt.  Otherwise, the Warden vanished after the events of Awakening.  Not all Wardens followed Morrigan at all.  The writers would have to come up with a better reason than just "Oh, they ran off with Morrigan" in order to address all the other potential outcomes.

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 février 2014 - 11:12 .

[ghost_ronin]

What would any godlike character do after having just overcome the greatest challenges of their lives? Look for new highs. The eluvian, the deep roads, the uncharted lands, there's challenges galore in Thedas. Personally, i would wander the world for a few years and then enter the uncharted regions. I would also be too cynical and world weary to give a **** about petty infighting at that point in time. If they cant help themselves they're a lost cause.

[Eralrik]

My Warden Mage made the Ultimate Sacrifice and Alistair made presided over and gave a grand eulogy then I loaded up Awakening and did a transfer of my save expecting to make a Orlesian Warden and low and behold here comes my warden walking down the trail with Mhairi and in my underwear <Like a bad dream when your naked and no one notices> an I know it's not been 40 years so my Warden hasn't taken the long walk into the Deep Roads yet and my Warden didn't go into the Eluvian, but maybe joined Leliana in Orlais as the were an item.
Hawke being a dashing Rogue went off with Isebella to roam the high seas maybe with Bethany and Merril.
Coarse in the fact that they both disappeared I have a hypothis that Flemeth is involved and swooped down and took Hawke & the Warden to keep them from coming to the aid and stop the evil that comes or she's saving them for the aid that they may be in some way be connected with the 3rd Hero in Inquisition that will require all 3 to stop the evil in the final battle.

[The Hierophant]

I wonder if the writers took inspiration from Rockstar's handling of Johnny Klebitz, and are seeking to outdo them in regards to Hawke's return?

[TheKomandorShepard]

ghost_ronin wrote...

What would any godlike character do after having just overcome the greatest challenges of their lives? Look for new highs. The eluvian, the deep roads, the uncharted lands, there's challenges galore in Thedas. Personally, i would wander the world for a few years and then enter the uncharted regions. I would also be too cynical and world weary to give a **** about petty infighting at that point in time. If they cant help themselves they're a lost cause.

Crap they turned into madara uchiha?

[Grieving Natashina]

The Hierophant wrote...

I wonder if the writers took inspiration from Rockstar's handling of Johnny Klebitz, and are seeking to outdo them in regards to Hawke's return?

Who?

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

ghost_ronin wrote...

What would any godlike character do after having just overcome the greatest challenges of their lives? Look for new highs. The eluvian, the deep roads, the uncharted lands, there's challenges galore in Thedas. Personally, i would wander the world for a few years and then enter the uncharted regions. I would also be too cynical and world weary to give a **** about petty infighting at that point in time. If they cant help themselves they're a lost cause.

Crap they turned into madara uchiha?

Um, what?

I'm utterly lost now.  I feel old. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 20 février 2014 - 11:23 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Starsyn wrote...


Um, what?

I'm utterly lost now.  I feel old. 

Well i don't want spoil but if you don't watch anime or read manga naruto explanation would be rather pointless and long...

but description above fits to that character

[Han Shot First]

Milan92 wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Leliana banged the Warden, so obviously she's searching for the Warden because of their scheduled banging in Denerim.

C'mon, a bit of common sense, please.

/thread

How many years have passed since the Warden's disappearance and the events of DA:I?

Whatever scheduled banging Leliana is getting may be with someone other than the Warden.

[The Hierophant]

Starsyn wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

I wonder if the writers took inspiration from Rockstar's handling of Johnny Klebitz, and are seeking to outdo them in regards to Hawke's return?

Who?

Hahahahahhahahaha!

[Grieving Natashina]

Most of the anime I watch is older. I own Trigun, Cowboy Bebop (show and movie), Lain and Outlaw Star. No need to laugh at me (although I love some Vincent Price,) just a wiki link will suffice.

[Marakov7]

They ended up going to same place that Tathas, the sneaky elven bandit (from the City Elf origin) went. When asked if Tathas ever got caught, you can respond "Nobody knows, she just disappeared one day..." Just like the warden and Hawke...spooky.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Hierophant wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

I wonder if the writers took inspiration from Rockstar's handling of Johnny Klebitz, and are seeking to outdo them in regards to Hawke's return?

Who?

Hahahahahhahahaha!

Well not everyone played in gta so to explain those who don't know Johnny was protagonist in one of expansions to gta 4 if we call that expansion... he showed up in gta 5 to be killed by one of 3 protagonist in rather pathetic way.

[Grieving Natashina]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...



Well not everyone played in gta so to explain those who don't know Johnny was protagonist in one of expansions to gta 4 if we call that expansion... he showed up in gta 5 to be killed by one of 3 protagonist in rather pathetic way.

Ah, thank you.  No, I have never played any of the GTA games.  I tried, but I couldn't get into it.  

I really hope that  BioWare doesn't take that route.  I'm not too concerned; Rockstar's forte has never been story elements, unlike BW.

[DRTJR]

They we "collected" by Flemeth to form the Thedosian A-Team.

[Grieving Natashina]

DRTJR wrote...

They we "collected" by Flemeth to form the Thedosian A-Team.

Damn it.  Now I have that song stuck in my head.  Oh well, I believe in not suffering alone.

Feel the awesome!

[SgtSteel91]

The way I imagine it is that my Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrigan and has since been helping her from the shadows and taking care of the OGB. Hawke just doesn't want to be found and forced to get involved with all the crap that's happening. He just wants to settle down with Merrill, much like what his parents did. Of course this may not be what happens in the game.

[Nightdragon8]

Hawke more than likely wants to get away from any authority he can, cause at least from what Casandra was implying is that "Its all his fault" and thats the common word that Hawke was responsible for everything.

As for the Warden I would say dead, or taking care of the kid.

[Orian Tabris]

They both got lost.

[Iron Fist]

I'm of the minority opinion that Hawke never even existed.

[Grieving Natashina]

MevenSelas wrote...

I'm of the minority opinion that Hawke never even existed.

The Champion was obviously real, since Cassandra can't stop talking about him/her.  Who was the Champion then?  
Or was the "Champion" just an amalgam of a few different people, with "Hawke" just being a code name? 

[KaiserShep]

If Kirkwall was totally bereft of record keeping, sure.

[Iron Fist]

Starsyn wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

I'm of the minority opinion that Hawke never even existed.

The Champion was obviously real, since Cassandra can't stop talking about him/her.  Who was the Champion then?  
Or was the "Champion" just an amalgam of a few different people, with "Hawke" just being a code name? 

That's exactly what I think.