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[Spartan3222]

I ave always wondered this. I know Tali has a translator at least in the first game but I am wondering what she knows. In the Shadow Broker information I don't remember it well but I believe she doesn't have a translator but I forget. Is she suppose to know the Quarian language and English because that seems to be the only thing that makes her accent and explainations of her language to make sense. Does her translator take all the work or something. I mean has this been discussed either. I would think that she end up speaking some English by ME3 since she should realize she is around humans an awful lot more then most other Quarians. These have been those back of the head questions from Spartan3222 -Spartan3222:alien:

[Rodus Maxumus]

I don’t think they are speaking English but “Galaxic” some form of common language. In ME1 Shepard asks an Asari at Peak 15 “can you say that in galaxic”. I also think in the codex there is a mention of a trade tongue

[katamuro]

Codex does mention a trade language but it also mentions seamless translators that have all the required languages allowing everyone to talk to each other with no problems. Also it says that because it is so widespread it could be anything from an earplug to necklace. They dont mention it because everyone uses it, hence not worth mentioning. Even humans talk to each other using the translator unless they can talk in each others language. So Tali might know other languages but it is never mentioned.

The accent is purely for our benefit, same goes for the other characters, its how the game designers and writers decided to convey an idea to us. Nothing really lore-breaking there.

[Rodus Maxumus]

To me I see the trade language a bit like French was for a few hundred years. It was called the language of diplomacy, it pretty much was the international language, if you travelled internationally you learnt French and if you spoke French no matter where in the world you could find someone to talk to. Hell, 8th grade French was still a compulsory class back in the 80’s. The same as international pilots and air controllers all speak English now as it is the standard international aviation language.

Growing up in that universe you would most likely learn the trade language in primary school, and if you were living on the Citadel or working in space you would make it your business to know the language.

I do not see the translators being like the Star Trek universal translators more like the translator phone apps that are coming out now only really advanced. They would be for people like me who could not learn a foreign language if their life depended on it and the Hanar.

As for the Quarains they get a whole heap of training before they go on their pilgrimage and being nomadic they would have even more incentive to learn the trade language at an early age.

[Derpy]

She speaks american with an accent from eastern europe.

[Nitrocuban]

Um body language?

[Derpy]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Um body language?

wait, wait I get this...

no wait I don't get it.
















She knows alcohol language quite well.

[katamuro]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

She speaks american with an accent from eastern europe.

You mean English, dont you? Because while as much as americans might want to have American as a language so far its only a slightly modified version of english. 

[Derpy]

katamuro wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

She speaks american with an accent from eastern europe.

You mean English, dont you? Because while as much as americans might want to have American as a language so far its only a slightly modified version of english. 

It might as well be a different language. Have you ever been to the South?

[Nitrocuban]

Quarians are space gipsies and that's the accent all Quarians have.

[Derpy]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Quarians are space gipsies and that's the accent all Quarians have.

My friend who never even played ME said the same thing watching me.

[SerriceIceDandy]

I think most species only speak their native tongue. The Shadow Broker DLC shows that Tali downloads all Human Languages, the previously mentioned translator does most of the work. Exceptions are when Aliens use words that have no equivalent; something Thane does in his romance arc. I doubt Tali would be able to speak English despite her time on the Normandy, because she would have no need to learn it if the translating had been done for her previously.

[Han Shot First]

Rodus Maxumus wrote...

I don’t think they are speaking English but “Galaxic” some form of common language. In ME1 Shepard asks an Asari at Peak 15 “can you say that in galaxic”. I also think in the codex there is a mention of a trade tongue

This.

The characters are supposed to be speaking galactic, which is the lingua franca of Council space. We (those of us who are English-speaking players) just hear it in English, because reading subtitles while listening to characters jabber on in a fictional alien language (SWTOR, I'm looking at you) would have been annoying. The voice actors speak English for the player's convenience, but it is supposed to be galactic.

Basically its like watching a movie set in ancient Rome where the characters speak English. They're supposed to be speaking Latin.

My head canon is that the dialogue being in galactic is why Tali has an exotic accent, while other aliens like Garrus and Liara do not. Garrus and Liara were born in Council space and as such were raised speaking Galactic in addition to their local Turian/Asari dialect. As a Quarian born outside of Council space Tali learned it later in life, hence the accent. Unaccented Quarians (like Kal'Reegar) probably don't speak galactic and are being translated into it.

I doubt any of the alien squadmates speak English as of ME1. Humanity is a relatively minor faction at that point, and a human language is not the lingua franca for Council space.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 21 février 2014 - 11:10 .

[Sir DeLoria]

I never got the sinti/roma(gypsy) comparision. I always associated Quarians far more with Tuareg and Bedouins. The masks, the clothing and patterns all of it is much more similar to North African and Middle Eastern nomads. Except for the nomadic lifestyle Quarians have nothing in common with gypsis. I guess gypsis are just more well known than other nomadic groups.

[Rodus Maxumus]

Necanor wrote...

I never got the sinti/roma(gypsy) comparision. I always associated Quarians far more with Tuareg and Bedouins. The masks, the clothing and patterns all of it is much more similar to North African and Middle Eastern nomads. Except for the nomadic lifestyle Quarians have nothing in common with gypsis. I guess gypsis are just more well known than other nomadic groups.

I think it is more about the bad image associated with Gypsies, then their nomadic lifestyle.

[DextroDNA]

Pretty sure EVERYONE has a translator that translates any known language. I suppose if someone was close enough with someone of another race, they'd maybe try to learn their language. I think Asari would know a lot of languages due to their melding ability.

[RangerSG]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Quarians are space gipsies and that's the accent all Quarians have.

My friend who never even played ME said the same thing watching me.

I thought more of the Jewish Diaspora myself. But either works.

[Dr_Extrem]

well ... mass effect 1 actually has a codex entry on this topic:



Technology: Translation data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEdit
Human cultures remain linguistically divided. Some converse in Spanish, others in Mandarin, Arabic, Swahili, etc. Every alien race has their own equally broad panoply of languages and dialects.
Most individuals know only their mother tongue, and rely on machine translation. Modern portable computers allow anyone with a few hundred credits of equipment to enjoy seamless real-time translation of alien languages, courtesy of handheld PDAs, computers in clothing or jewelry, or sub-dermal implants. Without fast and accurate translation, galactic trade and culture would not exist.
Governments provide subsidized software, updated through the public extranet "on the fly", often as users approach spaceport customs facilities. Even the batarians, who isolated themselves from galactic society nearly two decades ago, take pains to provide up-to-date glossaries and linguistic rules, though most suspect that this is only so they can continue exporting propaganda.
It is still considered broad-minded and practical to be able to speak without machine aid. Children often take courses in alien language, and most races can speak the simplified artificial "trade tongue" with little difficulty.
Some species must rely on machine translation to interact with the rest of the galaxy. Hanar, for example, cannot reproduce the spoken language of any humanoid species, and other races cannot reproduce hanar bioluminescence without mechanical aid. Newly discovered or obscure races don't have machine translation available until the linguists have had time to study them.


imo, tali still uses her translator. as mentioned, the trade language is very simple and basic. i dont think, that tali would use it instead of her translator (whom she always has with her in her suit)in addition, it is highly questionable, that the trade languagy covers advanced tactical expressions, social finesse and such things.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 22 février 2014 - 06:11 .

[Nitrocuban]

RangerSG wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Quarians are space gipsies and that's the accent all Quarians have.

My friend who never even played ME said the same thing watching me.

I thought more of the Jewish Diaspora myself. But either works.

Volus are the space jews of ME. That's even more obvious than the Quarian/gypsy thing.

[RangerSG]

Nitrocuban wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Quarians are space gipsies and that's the accent all Quarians have.

My friend who never even played ME said the same thing watching me.

I thought more of the Jewish Diaspora myself. But either works.

Volus are the space jews of ME. That's even more obvious than the Quarian/gypsy thing.

Not really. The Volus are established on a series of planets. They have their own homeworld and a powerful benefactor. The only point of coincidence is "Wealthy traders," but that could the Dutch as well.


In fact, seeing the Volus as the Space Dutch East Indies Company works 'very well.' 

Modifié par RangerSG, 22 février 2014 - 04:30 .