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[Lheila_Mahariel014]

 What do you think are the possible consequences of becoming the Teyrn/Teyrna of Gwaren while being the Arl/Arlessa of Amaranthine at the same time? I mean, I can't imagine the nobles being happy about the fact that the Warden holds two titles. (There's Rendon Howe who had three but they never liked him either.)
And while the Crown has a say on who gets the teyrnir or arling, can the nobles protest and bar the King/Queen from giving it to the Warden?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think Fergus Cousland could technically veto the gift of the Arling of Amaranthine to the Wardens. I don't know if anything short of all the nobles protesting could block an appointment to a terynir, though.

[Corker]

The nobles of Ferelden have allegedly fought battles over an apple orchard. They can always lodge a protest directly against the Warden, with their armies. (Whether or not that's a good idea is another question entirely.)

[theskymoves]

Corker wrote...

The nobles of Ferelden have allegedly fought battles over an apple orchard. They can always lodge a protest directly against the Warden, with their armies. (Whether or not that's a good idea is another question entirely.)

Especially since most Wardens could easily solo the combined armies of the entire nobility. With one hand tied behind their back. 

*fondly remembers my Warden who was easily the most powerful person in Ferelden: Warden Commander. Arlessa of Amaranthine. Teyrna of Gwaren. Queen of Ferelden.*

[Mike3207]

First, is the Warden a Human Noble? If they're a noble, nobles are going to worry a lot more about giving a Cousland Warden titles than a nonhuman or mage Warden some titles. There would be the underlying fear about the Cousland family getting too powerful.As far as Fergus, he'd be ok with a Cousland Warden as Arl of Amaranthine-I think.

Next-what happens with Amaranthine? If the warden lets it be destroyed, there might be political backlash over that. I have heard that in the Witch hunt DLC nobles are paying more attention to Eamon at that time, so over time the Warden with more political power might work in Eamon's favor.


As far as the nobles protesting when the titles are given-unlikely. Both Anora and the Warden have a lot of support after winning the Blight, so it'd be easier for Anora to do it at that time. There might be a talk abut it later on though.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 21 février 2014 - 05:48 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Mike Smith wrote...

First, is the Warden a Human Noble? If they're a noble, nobles are going to worry a lot more about giving a Cousland Warden titles than a nonhuman or mage Warden some titles.

Um, no they aren't. Putting aside the fact that the Couslands are reasonably well liked, a nonhuman or a mage Arl would be incredibly worrisome to the nobility thanks to racial/magical bias. Howe was probably less worrisome to them.

There would be the underlying fear about the Cousland family getting too powerful.As far as Fergus, he'd be ok with a Cousland Warden as Arl of Amaranthine-I think.

He almost certainly is, since I'm fairly certain he can override this gift what with Amaranthine being his vassalage. I find it surprising that he is, however. Even if the first Warden Arl installed is his brother or sister, that's not ultimately who is being given the Arling. The Arling is being given to the Wardens themselves, and who even knows who the next Commander will be?

[Mike3207]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

First, is the Warden a Human Noble? If they're a noble, nobles are going to worry a lot more about giving a Cousland Warden titles than a nonhuman or mage Warden some titles.

Um, no they aren't. Putting aside the fact that the Couslands are reasonably well liked, a nonhuman or a mage Arl would be incredibly worrisome to the nobility thanks to racial/magical bias. Howe was probably less worrisome to them

We'll just agree to disagree on this. A mage or nonhuman holding titles may be a precedent, but they don't have any family members in the Landsmeet with a established power base. The Couslands might be popular when the titles are given out, but it doesn't mean them having this much power won't be a major cause of concern.


Anyway, I don't think the Warden will spend a lot of time in Denerim under most circumstances. They'll likely be out in the field a lot with how weak the Wardens are post-Blight. The one exception to this might be a Cousland Warden, but even there they'll not spend as much time in Denerim as they like. It might create a problem after their disappearance, unless they managed to prepare a proper will on what to do with Gwaren/Amaranthine.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 21 février 2014 - 06:47 .

[mousestalker]

Actually, a non-human would likely be Anora's choice, especially if she knows about the Grey Wardens' sterility. A quickie appointment of the Warden Commander to the post for life means she gets the title and lands back relatively soon, with no worrisome inheritance issues.

[Lavaeolus]

theskymoves wrote...

*fondly remembers my Warden who was easily the most powerful person in Ferelden: Warden Commander. Arlessa of Amaranthine. Teyrna of Gwaren. Queen of Ferelden.*

The Wardens are doing just fantastic at that political neutrality thing, aren't they?