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[DrBlingzle]

As Flemeth clearly changes her appearance between DAO AND DA2 do you think she is able to change her appearance to the degree of looking like a different person? She could for instance trick the player into believing she is someone else entirely.
 
I recall Morrigan saying something in DAO about how shapeshifters can only change their appearance to that of a different species. However Flemeth is clearly a more powerful mage than most and might be able to do this. And even if she cant she could still change into a Dwarf, Elf or Qunari couldn't she (or maybe a human as in witch hunt Morrigan does state "she is not truly even human!")?    

Modifié par Drblingzle, 21 février 2014 - 08:47 .

[Maiden Crowe]

Go back and play DA2 and Origins and you will see that she already did this multiple times.

[DrBlingzle]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Go back and play DA2 and Origins and you will see that she already did this multiple times.

Haven't played DA2 yet but when does this happen in DAO?  

[Maiden Crowe]

Dalish Elf origin

[DrBlingzle]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Dalish Elf origin

Who does she disguise herself as then?

[Maiden Crowe]

One of the elves around camp.

[King Cousland]

Drblingzle wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Dalish Elf origin

Who does she disguise herself as then?

Crowe is leading you on. Flemeth doesn't appear in any of the Origins in DA:O, despite what Crowe's trolling personal interpretations may suggest. 

To answer your question, I see no reason why Flemeth wouldn't be able to shapeshift into other humanoid forms. Morrigan after all never says that she couldn't do such a thing, only that she had no desire to do so. 

[Ivory.]

Maybe.

And if she can and they use it a plot device or something like that, my money is on the Scribe girl.

[Welsh Inferno]

Morrigan says she has no reason or desire to shapeshift into another human. Not that its impossible/she can't. So yes its very likely Flemeth can and has.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 21 février 2014 - 09:05 .

[Master Warder Z_]

King Cousland wrote...

Drblingzle wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Dalish Elf origin

Who does she disguise herself as then?

Crowe is leading you on. Flemeth doesn't appear in any of the Origins in DA:O, despite what Crowe's trolling personal interpretations may suggest. 

To answer your question, I see no reason why Flemeth wouldn't be able to shapeshift into other humanoid forms. Morrigan after all never says that she couldn't do such a thing, only that she had no desire to do so. 

She actually does state quite pointedly during her explaination of shapechanging that the form you see her is her only human form.

Furthermore as she explained the magic given it was based around taking upon an image from study and mirroring said image magically then i do believe the block she mentioned would likely be effective for Flemeth as well.

"I gain nothing from studying another human" 

Unless if Flemeth has a power to shapechange with out using shapechanging magic i don't see how she would be able to get around that.

[Reznore57]

There was a short story hinting at Flemeth shapeshifting into different humans ...But I think it was erased.It was on the old official dragon age origin wiki.

I think it was a bard tale of a templar chasing the witch of the wilds , and he met different women , old young etc ...who help him .
In this end Flemeth kills him , saying she was all the women he met , and she eats souls for breakfast.

[Master Warder Z_]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Morrigan says she has no reason to shapeshift into another human. Not that its impossible/she can't. So yes its very likely Flemeth can.

Again it's pretty clear in her explaination given in shapechanging that she possess only one human shape and she cannot gain another.

Honestly what people take from clever word play...

[Welsh Inferno]

No, she says she gains nothing by changing into another human because she already IS human. That is why she only possesses one human form. She does not state she could not gain another.

[King Cousland]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Morrigan says she has no reason to shapeshift into another human. Not that its impossible/she can't. So yes its very likely Flemeth can.

Again it's pretty clear in her explaination given in shapechanging that she possess only one human shape and she cannot gain another.

Honestly what people take from clever word play...

No, it isn't clear at all. What is clear is that Morrigan shapeshifts in order to learn something about life through another species's eyes, to gain a new experience. She has no desire to change into a human as she would learn nothing new, but it isn't stated that this would be beyond her or her mother's abilities. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 21 février 2014 - 09:14 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

i hope not she is already candidate on invincible villain status just let me kill her and let univere forget her forever...

[Master Warder Z_]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

No, she says she gains nothing by changing into another human because she already IS human. That is why she only possesses one human form. She does not state she could not gain another.

0:57 to 1:19

To me that if taken at Morrigan's word basically blocks shapeshifting into another human via that magical talent.

Not saying it cannot be done, just not as a shapeshifter.

Or at least not to the extent of it Morrigan knew in DAO i suppose.

[Master Warder Z_]

King Cousland wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Morrigan says she has no reason to shapeshift into another human. Not that its impossible/she can't. So yes its very likely Flemeth can.

Again it's pretty clear in her explaination given in shapechanging that she possess only one human shape and she cannot gain another.

Honestly what people take from clever word play...

No, it isn't clear at all. What is clear is that Morrigan shapeshifts in order to learn something about life through another species's eyes, to gain a new experience. She has no desire to change into a human as she would learn nothing new, but it isn't stated that this would be beyond her or her mother's abilities. 

She states it quite plainly in that video i just put up ._.

[happy_daiz]

Everyone's mind will be blown when Morrigan gets to be Morrigan for 5 minutes in DAI, before Flemeth takes her body.

[Master Warder Z_]

happy_daiz wrote...

Everyone's mind will be blown when Morrigan gets to be Morrigan for 5 minutes in DAI, before Flemeth takes her body.

That's probably the only viable method of "human shapeshifting"

._. Not that i'd count it personally.

Its possession in truth, not changing shape.

[Welsh Inferno]

Master Warder Z wrote...

She states it quite plainly in that video i just put up ._.

Yes, she states quite plainly exactly what we are saying. 

Whether its part of the shapeshifting talent tree or not is quite frankly irrelevant.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 21 février 2014 - 09:23 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

She states it quite plainly in that video i just put up ._.

Yes, she states quite plainly exactly what we are saying. 

Whether its part of the shapeshifting talent tree or not is quite frankly irrelevant.

That she cannot at least at this point do it because the very process she describes being able to used said magic doesn't work in that regard?

.-. Cool we are on the same page then.

[DrBlingzle]

King Cousland wrote...

Drblingzle wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Dalish Elf origin

Who does she disguise herself as then?

Crowe is leading you on. Flemeth doesn't appear in any of the Origins in DA:O, despite what Crowe's trolling personal interpretations may suggest. 

To answer your question, I see no reason why Flemeth wouldn't be able to shapeshift into other humanoid forms. Morrigan after all never says that she couldn't do such a thing, only that she had no desire to do so. 

Thought so. Thanks for clearing that up

[Welsh Inferno]

Stop making up crap. Point me to the exact second she says it "doesn't work". Oh, It doesn't exist.

I'm done with this. Either you're trolling/making up your own headcanon off of a weird interpretation or completely missing the point of that conversation.

[Leitner]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Stop making up crap. Point me to the exact second she says it "doesn't work". Oh, It doesn't exist.

Not in those exact words. But that is pretty much what she says. 

Modifié par Leitner, 21 février 2014 - 09:41 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Stop making up crap. Point me to the exact second she says it "doesn't work". Oh, It doesn't exist.

I'm done with this. Either you're trolling/making up your own headcanon off of a weird interpretation or completely missing the point of that conversation.

Point of the conversation?

She describes in decent detail the process of assuming the form of another creature.

If said process doesn't work on other Humans, Elves or Qunari then pray tell how could assume the form?

That intereption is no less valid then your own, and given its working within the realm its neither headcanon nor making anything up.

Its probably the only conversation i took her at her word at the entire game to be honest.