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[Anvos]

Couldn't it also just be illusion magic for why she has different humanoid forms.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Master Warder Z wrote...

She actually does state quite pointedly during her explaination of shapechanging that the form you see her is her only human form.

Furthermore as she explained the magic given it was based around taking upon an image from study and mirroring said image magically then i do believe the block she mentioned would likely be effective for Flemeth as well.

"I gain nothing from studying another human" 

Unless if Flemeth has a power to shapechange with out using shapechanging magic i don't see how she would be able to get around that.

That's only relevant to Flemeth if Flemeth is human.  If Flemeth is not human, that restriction would only prevent her from changing into other forms of whatever thing she is.

[Hellion Rex]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

She actually does state quite pointedly during her explaination of shapechanging that the form you see her is her only human form.

Furthermore as she explained the magic given it was based around taking upon an image from study and mirroring said image magically then i do believe the block she mentioned would likely be effective for Flemeth as well.

"I gain nothing from studying another human" 

Unless if Flemeth has a power to shapechange with out using shapechanging magic i don't see how she would be able to get around that.

That's only relevant to Flemeth if Flemeth is human.  If Flemeth is not human, that restriction would only prevent her from changing into other forms of whatever thing she is.

Indeed. Heck, Morrigan makes a point of saying Flemeth isn't truly human. If she has the power to bilocate and pull a Horcrux, then shapeshifting to change the appearance of her human form probably isn't beyond her capabilities.

[Beyond2souls]

When Morrigan was talking about her being flemeths daughter she said that to she could be able to shapeshift into a more "attractive" form. So yes Flemeth could if she wanted to. I don't know if she could persay shapeshift into another living human like another Alistair or something.

[CybAnt1]

Dunno. Are these the same people?





Shapeshifting or "art style change?"

I've always wondered if, rather than dealing with bilocation, perhaps there is more than one Flemeth. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 22 février 2014 - 12:23 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

No, she says she gains nothing by changing into another human because she already IS human. That is why she only possesses one human form. She does not state she could not gain another.

0:57 to 1:19

To me that if taken at Morrigan's word basically blocks shapeshifting into another human via that magical talent.

Not saying it cannot be done, just not as a shapeshifter.

Or at least not to the extent of it Morrigan knew in DAO i suppose.

Nothing in your link backs up your interpretation anymore then it does anyone elses, in fact it seems to actually damage it seeing as how her reasons are not that she cannot, but that she has no desire to.

Honestly what people take from clever word play.

[Master Warder Z_]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

No, she says she gains nothing by changing into another human because she already IS human. That is why she only possesses one human form. She does not state she could not gain another.

0:57 to 1:19

To me that if taken at Morrigan's word basically blocks shapeshifting into another human via that magical talent.

Not saying it cannot be done, just not as a shapeshifter.

Or at least not to the extent of it Morrigan knew in DAO i suppose.

Nothing in your link backs up your interpretation anymore then it does anyone elses, in fact it seems to actually damage it seeing as how her reasons are not that she cannot, but that she has no desire to.

Honestly what people take from clever word play.

Uh-huh.

Aa she didn't state as much in fact she seemed to state quite the opposite with the endevor being fruitless when it came to studying human forms to assume. Then further add in the statement about possessing only a singular form and to me that's the end of it.

So be smarmy all you wish it doesn't change what was in the video.

[Lavaeolus]

"I gain nothing by studying another human. I am already the same as they are, I learn nothing. So the answer is no, my human form is the only one I possess."

Just the quote, so we don't keep looking at the video when discussing.

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

to TC-

 

of course she is, haven't you seen joan rivers?

 

resemblance much?

[Scott Sion]

I'm not sure why people are looking to Morrigan for answers on this. Complete Morrigan's whole story arc in DA:O and it should be clear she knows little about what Flemeth is, what she's capable of, and what her intentions are. She seems to know more during the events of Witch Hunt, but she's incredibly vague when talking about Flemeth in WH.

 

 

Bottom line, I don't see how we can conclude either way given what we currently "know" about her. As for her DA:O appearance, compare her changes to other DA:O characters and she hasn't changed too much. It really just seems that she changed her clothes and hair a bit, I'm sure the new art style also had an impact.

[Rawgrim]

Yes, she can. She is taller and way different in DA2.

[Big I]

Morrigan says she can't assume other human forms, but she may be lying. Even if telling the truth, Flemeth may be able to do things that Morrigan can't.

 

The class ability descriptions for DAO shapeshifter say that shapeshifters can alter their own bodies to make them tougher (i.e. get a bonus to defense). Whether or not that's canon or story/gameplay segregation is unknown, but if canon shows that further altering your original form may be possible.

 

Shale asks Morrigan in DAO if Morrigan could shift into a golem, and they talk about whether Morrigan could teach Shale to shapeshift. No definite answer to either question is given.

 

Shapeshifting is not an exclusively Flemeth discipline. If a Dalish Warden talks to Morrigan about shapeshifting, they can mention that there are tales of Dalish Keepers who have also mastered it. Although brief, the conversation only mentions the Keepers turning into animals, not people.

 

Shapeshifting in DAO allows non-Wardens (Morrigan and Wynne) to assume tainted forms if they take the Master Shapeshifter ability. Potentially this means that shapeshifters could turn into darkspawn, but this could be story/gameplay segregation.

 

A question that is never asked about shapeshifting is whether a mage can become other intelligent races, such as qunari, dwarves or elves. Qunari in particular seem non-human enough to avoid Morrigan's "one human" rule, but dwarves and elves are also very different (dwarven magical resistance, elven lifespan, etc).

 

Another question that is never asked is about gender. Could a male human Warden shift into a female human form, or any female forms? Flemeth can become a dragon, but apart from Archdemons all high dragons are female. Could a male shapeshifter become a dragon?

 

 

And that's everything I can think of about shapeshifting.

[Former_Fiend]

Gaxkang could appear as a human, so obviously the magic to disguise one's self with a human form does exist within the dragon age universe. I see no reason why Flemeth of all people wouldn't possess that knowledge. 

 

Having said that, I firmly believe that the difference in her appearance between Origins and 2 is simply a matter of a differentt style, combined with her putting her hair up and changing her outfit.

 

The fact that Morrigan's particular brand of shapeshifting may or may not preclude taking human shape(I tend to favor the interpretation that she can't) has no real bearing on whether or not Flemeth is capable of it. Beyond the fact that Flemeth is, herself, not human(and therefore not subject to the same limitations), the fact is that while Morrigan may have learned everything she knew about magic from Flemeth(up to the point of joining the party, of course), she hadn't learned everything Flemeth knew about magic.

[azarhal]

Morrigan says she can't assume other human forms, but she may be lying. Even if telling the truth, Flemeth may be able to do things that Morrigan can't.

 

In DAO, there is a banter between Morriand and Shale over shapeshifting that especially mention that you have to copy the soul of whatever you want to shapeshift into.

• Morrigan: No, I cannot become a golem. I can learn to become animals, and each form must be learned anew.
• Shale: And how does it learn a form? Does it read about it somewhere?
• Morrigan: (Laughs) 'Tis not a talent one can read from books! You must copy a creature's soul!
• Shale: I do not understand.
• Morrigan: Nor should you. Rock is unchanging -- allow it to stay that way.

Using illusion (aka glamors) to change your appearance is not shapechanging.

[Zack_Nero]

Flemeth is quite powerful, but I don't think she would need to.

[Taleroth]

That's only relevant to Flemeth if Flemeth is human.  If Flemeth is not human, that restriction would only prevent her from changing into other forms of whatever thing she is.

No, because the restriction is basically that they have no control over the details at all. They just imagine being a bird and become a bird. Not a bird that looks specifically old or young. Not a male bird or a female bird. Probably not even able to control whether it's a pheasant or a crow.

[myahele]

I remember when you ask morrigan if she can shapeshift into the form of another person she never denied it. Instead she thought it pointless since she is already human.

I believe shapeshifters can change thier appearance. But we'll see if it'll be mentioned.

[Barrendall]

Yes, she can. She is taller and way different in DA2.

I see where you could get to this conclusion but I believe it was the change in art direction rather than her abilities.  For example: The Darkspawn to my knowledge can't change shape and yet they each of them look undeniably different in DA2 than what they looked like in DA:O.

[Qixel]

 

0:22 to 0:32

 

"'Tis not inconcievable that she could capture a Chasind man, or perhaps change to a more attractive form to attract him willingly."

 

Unless the Chasind are into dragons or other animals, I'd say Morrigan answered your question with a 'Yes'.

[BlueMagitek]

It's been a really long time, but, I believe Morrigan said that she didn't see a reason to, not that it was impossible.

[Jack Druthers]

There was a short story hinting at Flemeth shapeshifting into different humans ...But I think it was erased.It was on the old official dragon age origin wiki.

I think it was a bard tale of a templar chasing the witch of the wilds , and he met different women , old young etc ...who help him .
In this end Flemeth kills him , saying she was all the women he met , and she eats souls for breakfast.

I think this is the story you refer to.  Ignore the title but it seems other people had similar thoughts.

http://dragonage.wik..._Goddess_Mythal