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[Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna]

Since Subjec Zero is my favourite (so far)  in Mass Effect 2, I've been thinking about her as a character lately, what lead me to possibly interesting theory.

On the outside SuZe looks like a lot of similar, stereotypical bad-asses- harsh, brutal, swearing, tattooed.

But...

Is it all only a masquerade to hide a person that is still scared, weak? In a few clips, we have seen SuZe panicking etc. Maybe Jack is trying (by making herself look like 'hyper-strong-being') to show her surroundings (and herself, even more probably) how strong she is? Maybe in fact, she is still deeply afraid, scared? She'd anything to prove her power and might, just not to look weak. We have seen many characters that by appearing overly-badass try to conceal their true weakness. Is Subject Zero one of them?

Appearing to be strong and being strong are two different things, after all.

What do you think?

[Aradace]

Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna wrote...

Since Subjec Zero is my favourite (so far)  in Mass Effect 2, I've been thinking about her as a character lately, what lead me to possibly interesting theory.

On the outside SuZe looks like a lot of similar, stereotypical bad-asses- harsh, brutal, swearing, tattooed.

But...

Is it all only a masquerade to hide a person that is still scared, weak? In a few clips, we have seen SuZe panicking etc. Maybe Jack is trying (by making herself look like 'hyper-strong-being') to show her surroundings (and herself, even more probably) how strong she is? Maybe in fact, she is still deeply afraid, scared? She'd anything to prove her power and might, just not to look weak. We have seen many characters that by appearing overly-badass try to conceal their true weakness. Is Subject Zero one of them?

Appearing to be strong and being strong are two different things, after all.

What do you think?

Aside from the fact that some of these trailers also show her handing some geth/machines their asses? I'd say she can back up what she claims lol.

[Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna]

I was not referring to the combat prowess, but to the character.

[Kohaku]

I'm not sure what I feel about her. I don't know if I'll take her with me, but I want to find out what makes her tick. It might be fun, but I don't feel one way or the other yet.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 21 janvier 2010 - 01:31 .

[merikano]

I think she's dangerous first and vulnerably second. Part of her badass attitude is a type of coping mechanism with whatever tragedies she suffered. The rest though? Rage, indifference, destruction... she's dangerous and the only way to "cure" her is to first get her to a frame of mind that wants help and then actually guide her through it all.

[Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna]

merikano wrote...

I think she's dangerous first and vulnerably second. Part of her badass attitude is a type of coping mechanism with whatever tragedies she suffered. The rest though? Rage, indifference, destruction... she's dangerous and the only way to "cure" her is to first get her to a frame of mind that wants help and then actually guide her through it all.

Why could not I put it in as elegant way as you did?

[Dante Lucef]

Well, the devs did say, as you earn her trust, you'll see more of her vulnerable side. So, while she is an ass-kicking biotic beast, you will get glimpses at the girl under all that attitude.

[Hulluliini]

I guess she does have a soft spot somewhere. But on the other hand, if she is clinically a psychopath, you just can't compare her to any sane person having a softer side.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Dante Lucef wrote...

Well, the devs did say, as you earn her trust, you'll see more of her vulnerable side. So, while she is an ass-kicking biotic beast, you will get glimpses at the girl under all that attitude.

Exactly. It's all about peeling back those barriers that she's had to put up to protect herself in the world. I get the feeling of all the squaddies, Jack is going to be by far the most layered. Anyone who takes her at face value is going to be in for a world of surprise.

[Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna]

What is sanity?



Also: I'd not say that she is a psychopath. She is far from being insane. For me, she is more like a scared, little person who was given insanely big weapon, which she can use (biotics). This alone, along with fear, make her act unreasonably.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna wrote...

Since Subjec Zero is my favourite (so far)  in Mass Effect 2, I've been thinking about her as a character lately, what lead me to possibly interesting theory.

On the outside SuZe looks like a lot of similar, stereotypical bad-asses- harsh, brutal, swearing, tattooed.

But...

Is it all only a masquerade to hide a person that is still scared, weak? In a few clips, we have seen SuZe panicking etc. Maybe Jack is trying (by making herself look like 'hyper-strong-being') to show her surroundings (and herself, even more probably) how strong she is? Maybe in fact, she is still deeply afraid, scared? She'd anything to prove her power and might, just not to look weak. We have seen many characters that by appearing overly-badass try to conceal their true weakness. Is Subject Zero one of them?

Appearing to be strong and being strong are two different things, after all.

What do you think?

That's possible, but that still doesn't make me like her. If she has problems that bad then she is probably better off with a shrink.

[SurfaceBeneath]

This is a surprisingly reasonable thread for a thread about Suze.

[SurfaceBeneath]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

That's possible, but that still doesn't make me like her. If she has problems that bad then she is probably better off with a shrink.

To be fair, you've spent all of 2 minutes max watching videos of the new crew. I don't think anyone's asking you to like them right away based on a few promo shots and actions scenes.

We're all going to have to see for ourselves in game.

[VA1N]

I think she is a broken woman. Someone who has been through hell and back (obviously) and has given up on not only life, but the people in it. Shepard see's this and brings her along for the help, but keeps an eye on her. As the game progresses, I bet you are allowed into her psyche here and there with tidbits of information shared. If you play your cards right, I wouldn't be surprised if she has a full on breakdown. She's strong, sure, but it seems like the wall she's built up around herself to avoid any future injury to herself.

That's my two cents on the matter at least. I'm really excited to learn more about her, although Miranda has my eye.

Modifié par VA1N, 21 janvier 2010 - 01:51 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

That's possible, but that still doesn't make me like her. If she has problems that bad then she is probably better off with a shrink.

To be fair, you've spent all of 2 minutes max watching videos of the new crew. I don't think anyone's asking you to like them right away based on a few promo shots and actions scenes.

We're all going to have to see for ourselves in game.

First impressions are the most important. So far she doesn't interest me at all. She looks more like a marketing tool to sell the game than a crew member that is compatible with my player character from ME1.

Of the new party members the one I am most interested in is Legion. But that's another topic.

[Chojin999]

well she is a bit of an stereotypical character. The tormented soul, who is still fragile deep inside.
But don't get me wrong most of the characters are. Grunt is the reckless youth, Samara the conficted badass, Thane the lone reluctant assasin, Miranda the beauty, that wants to be liked for who she is on the inside. Its not a bad thing, people like that. i do atleast

Modifié par Chojin999, 21 janvier 2010 - 01:56 .

[Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna]

I like stereotypes. And, since avoiding them is rather difficult, I just want them to develop in a interesting way.

[Funkcase]

I wonder if she will be split personalitiy doubt it but it would be freaky seeing her switch from scared and fragile to bad a** and ready to turn you inside out.

[SurfaceBeneath]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

First impressions are the most important. So far she doesn't interest me at all. She looks more like a marketing tool to sell the game than a crew member that is compatible with my player character from ME1.

To be fair (again), first impressions are most important when you're not sitting there playing the game. After you've spent 40 hours with a character (or however long the game is), your opinion is like to change and whatever impressions you had prior to that forgotten like new coke. I mean, I for one don't remember any of my first impressions of the first ME1 crew because whatever impressions I had they were completely supplanted by my actual interactions with them when I had the game.

I'm curous as to how you think Suze markets the game though. Seems to me that she has anti-sex appeal and her attitude (that she displays) isn't attractive to anyone but masochists.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:03 .

[The-Broken-One]

I think part of her trauma may be tied into her training before shewent rogue, something tells me if you let kaiden live in me1 her origin will be tied into his backstory and an event he reveals from his past that would explain how she may have gone abit nuts.

[Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

First impressions are the most important. So far she doesn't interest me at all. She looks more like a marketing tool to sell the game than a crew member that is compatible with my player character from ME1.

To be fair (again), first impressions are most important when you're not sitting there playing the game. After you've spent 40 hours with a character (or however long the game is), your opinion is like to change and whatever impressions you had prior to that forgotten like new coke. I mean, I for one don't remember any of my first impressions of the first ME1 crew because whatever impressions I had they were completely supplanted by my actual interactions with them when I had the game.

I'm curous as to how you think Suze markets the game though. Seems to me that she has anti-sex appeal and her attitude (that she displays) isn't attractive to anyone but masochists.

This. I remember how much I have hated Morrigan before the DA:O came out. And then, I found myself keeping her in active party for the whole game:P

[AngryFrozenWater]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

I'm curous as to how you think Suze markets the game though. Seems to me that she has anti-sex appeal and her attitude (that she displays) isn't attractive to anyone but masochists.

Sorry. Forgot to answer that one...

It is obvious to me that BioWare wanted to create a darker game to attract an audience who usually don't play RPGs. BioWare believes (if you want the link to the article I can look it up) that the line between RPG and shooters will be blurring. I think that SuZe will appeal to some of that audience just fine. That's why she was created.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:54 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You said earlier that the exposure she has got was too short to make up my mind. But you got that same short exposure and you like may her or at least give her a chance. Think about that.

I will investigate all crew members at a later date, but I have probably more fun in my first playthrough with crew members that fit my player character. So, eventually I might change my mind. That's the fun of replayability.

I'm not a judgmental person and I know what marketing is there for. It's to appeal to the base emotions to get you interested in the game, but with 0 intellectual appeal. Frankly, I don't think you could make a 2 minutes video of any of the squaddies from the first game that would really attach you to them either.

So yea, anyways, it's all good. All the new kids are being laid out in front of you ready for inspection when you play the game. Then you get to make up your own mind for certain about what qualities the characters have.

[PingoBlack]

Cerbin aep Dol Blathanna wrote...

Appearing to be strong and being strong are two different things, after all.
What do you think?

She is scared as hell, but she actualy is amaizingly powerful biotic.

So it's not that she appears strong, but she compensates her deep feers with anger, yeah. At least thats how she feels, hiding behind the facade.

My take ofc. I could be dead wrong and she actualy is homicidal.

Modifié par PingoBlack, 21 janvier 2010 - 02:26 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

You said earlier that the exposure she has got was too short to make up my mind. But you got that same short exposure and you like may her or at least give her a chance. Think about that.

I will investigate all crew members at a later date, but I have probably more fun in my first playthrough with crew members that fit my player character. So, eventually I might change my mind. That's the fun of replayability.

I'm not a judgmental person and I know what marketing is there for. It's to appeal to the base emotions to get you interested in the game, but with 0 intellectual appeal. Frankly, I don't think you could make a 2 minutes video of any of the squaddies from the first game that would really attach you to them either.

So yea, anyways, it's all good. All the new kids are being laid out in front of you ready for inspection when you play the game. Then you get to make up your own mind for certain about what qualities the characters have.

I am not judgemental either. I am just playing a game. My ME1 characters turned out to be pragmatic paragons because I didn't like much of the renegade options. But that doesn't mean I am always like that. In DA:O my first character was more or less lawful good. Of course my player character didn't like Morrigan at all. On my second playhrough I was more of the type "anything goes as long as we defeat  the Blight" and I gave Morrigan all the room to enter the story (complete with ritual) and Alistair getting an unfortunate accident.. I really like Morrigan. She is great. So, it has nothing to do with own "morale".