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[Hanako Ikezawa]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Fifth Fleet Out wrote...

Women are less bulky then us men, the bodies have reflected that in the DA universe. If your complaint is that women in the DA or mass effect verse are too sexy, the men are pretty good looking as well. From Kaiden, Default Shepard, and the Illusive Man.

If it were the same, there'd be closeup Miranda!shots of Kaidan's backside.

But these forums aren't about Mass Effect, so....

To be fair, in ME3 if you romanced Ashley in ME1 and let her on your ship she does stare at Shepard's backside with the camera angle being her eyes.

But yes, this is DAI forum, not ME.

[Red Panda]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Fifth Fleet Out wrote...

Women are less bulky then us men, the bodies have reflected that in the DA universe. If your complaint is that women in the DA or mass effect verse are too sexy, the men are pretty good looking as well. From Kaiden, Default Shepard, and the Illusive Man.

If it were the same, there'd be closeup Miranda!shots of Kaidan's backside.

But these forums aren't about Mass Effect, so....

Not to mention no males have painful wedgies.

Wedgies should have been universal in ME3 if they were going to be in there. For both genders.





Anywho, back to Dragon Age...


I just hope they avoid gratuitous boobplates.

[n7stormrunner]

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Fifth Fleet Out wrote...

Women are less bulky then us men, the bodies have reflected that in the DA universe. If your complaint is that women in the DA or mass effect verse are too sexy, the men are pretty good looking as well. From Kaiden, Default Shepard, and the Illusive Man.

If it were the same, there'd be closeup Miranda!shots of Kaidan's backside.

But these forums aren't about Mass Effect, so....

Not to mention no males have painful wedgies.

Wedgies should have been universal in ME3 if they were going to be in there. For both genders.





Anywho, back to Dragon Age...


I just hope they avoid gratuitous boobplates.

from what I remember they seemed to be better at that in da: 2, then again I never played a female warrior. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

n7stormrunner wrote...

from what I remember they seemed to be better at that in da: 2, then again I never played a female warrior. 

I'm playing as one right now, and yes they are much better at not having boob plates. The armor is slightly bulged in the front, but that is it. At least for most armors.

[brushyourteeth]

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

[Versus Omnibus]

This is my ideal woman model in games like Dragon Age. Her muscle mass looks realistic, she looks physically fit, and she still looks attractive. Give her some armor and she's ready to slay some demons.

[Red Panda]

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

[Steppenwolf]

brushyourteeth wrote...

What about diversity for the sake of realism?

What realism? These are video games set in a fantasy world full of monsters and magic. If you want realism you came to the wrong place.

What about diversity for the sake of non-boredom?

What does an extra body type do for that? Do you go from 0 to 60 at the sight of a husky dude or a thick pair of thighs?

I'm not going to propose we take it down to a science and have a perfect pie graph of diversity,

That seems like exactly the point. "If you put in a fat lady then you grab the fat lady demographic. If you put in a black guy then you get that black male demographic. If you put in a transgender woman then..." etc. It's an affront to the creative process. It is the antithesis of integrity.

but a game full of women who look, dress, and act like ideal medieval princess or porn stars only serves a very specific (and narrow minded) demographic of players, and the game is naturally going to suffer for it.
Likewise a game that only makes those types of women appear valuable will do the same.

Such hyperbole. Always demands of more diverse characters in games but as soon as they're there they get ignored. Aveline, Meredith, Sigrun, etc mean nothing because what you lot want is not diversity, it's politically correct "diversity." A shallow appearance of diversity. A black guy here, a gay woman there, a bisexual latino dwarf thrown in for good measure. You don't care about character. You reduce them to what they look like or who the have sex with. I'm bisexual myself, but that is not who I am. I am more than what I do with my penis. I don't expect game developers to put more bisexual men in video games just to make me feel better and I don't need to play a bisexual character to enjoy games.

kukumburr wrote...

Wouldn't you want as many people as possible to play your games? Why would you want to exclude anyone? I don't think I understand what exactly is bad about diversity here. I'd rather have variety then a bunch of characters that look the same. That would be boring. I'd rather play games that have characters I can identify with.

If someone is only interested in appearances what would you call that person? Shallow, yes? If all it takes for you to identify with a character is a similar appearance to your own than that is shallow. I play video games to be immersed in a world other than my own and I don't think strong-armed, ham-fisted affirmative action has any place in video games.

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 23 février 2014 - 05:44 .

[brushyourteeth]

BasilKarlo wrote...

*snip*

Thanks for convincing me so early into our interactions on this topic that you're both unreasonable and unwilling to consider another point of view.  It's really going to save me a ton of time I would have wasted.

[n7stormrunner]

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

[Red Panda]

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

I'm not sure that english is your first language.

However, what I'm saying is that the "boobplates" were a result of oversexualization.

By having said "boobplates", hits to the chest would be deflected towards the center of the chest, otherwise known as the sternum. This would break the sternum. Broken sternums are bad.

Essentially, it doesn't make sense that armor would be like this if it would lead to injuries from it not functioning properly.

[9TailsFox]

[9TailsFox]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Fifth Fleet Out wrote...

Women are less bulky then us men, the bodies have reflected that in the DA universe. If your complaint is that women in the DA or mass effect verse are too sexy, the men are pretty good looking as well. From Kaiden, Default Shepard, and the Illusive Man.

If it were the same, there'd be closeup Miranda!shots of Kaidan's backside.

But these forums aren't about Mass Effect, so....

[Red Panda]

9TailsFox wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Fifth Fleet Out wrote...

Women are less bulky then us men, the bodies have reflected that in the DA universe. If your complaint is that women in the DA or mass effect verse are too sexy, the men are pretty good looking as well. From Kaiden, Default Shepard, and the Illusive Man.

If it were the same, there'd be closeup Miranda!shots of Kaidan's backside.

But these forums aren't about Mass Effect, so....

*snipped*

Not a dialogue scene where you have it in your face while you're picking a dialogue option.

Fair point though.

[n7stormrunner]

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

I'm not sure that english is your first language.

However, what I'm saying is that the "boobplates" were a result of oversexualization.

By having said "boobplates", hits to the chest would be deflected towards the center of the chest, otherwise known as the sternum. This would break the sternum. Broken sternums are bad.

Essentially, it doesn't make sense that armor would be like this if it would lead to injuries from it not functioning properly.

it is my only langauge,

or it would deflect outward or not at all  and I'm not sure if you know this or not but armors doesn't stop work because over the central of the chest.. if it hit would break rib where it hit or not break anything, in less the hit was a thrust aimed at the heart but then there be no deflecting because it hit where it was aimmed.

[Red Panda]

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

I'm not sure that english is your first language.

However, what I'm saying is that the "boobplates" were a result of oversexualization.

By having said "boobplates", hits to the chest would be deflected towards the center of the chest, otherwise known as the sternum. This would break the sternum. Broken sternums are bad.

Essentially, it doesn't make sense that armor would be like this if it would lead to injuries from it not functioning properly.

it is my only langauge,

or it would deflect outward or not at all  and I'm not sure if you know this or not but armors doesn't stop work because over the central of the chest.. if it hit would break rib where it hit or not break anything, in less the hit was a thrust aimed at the heart but then there be no deflecting because it hit where it was aimmed.

I'm not entirely sure what you typed out with that post, but yes, it could deflect to the side if it's glancing.

A stab to the breastplate wouldn't pierce though. That's where you're completely wrong .

With armor of that kind, most injuries would be from the impact of weapons against it marring the tissues beneath the armor: bone, muscle, skin, etc.

You still haven't acknowledged the glaring flaw of the center of the chest putting unecessary risk on the sternum.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 23 février 2014 - 06:08 .

[Allan Schumacher]

If someone is only interested in appearances what would you call that person? Shallow, yes? If all it takes for you to identify with a character is a similar appearance to your own than that is shallow. I play video games to be immersed in a world other my own and I don't think strong-armed, ham-fisted affirmative action has any place in video games.

If you don't care about it, why would it bother you if a game had "a black guy here, a gay woman there, a bisexual latino dwarf thrown in for good measure?" By the same token that other people shouldn't care, don't you undermine your own position by seemingly being resistant to characters based on their appearance?

[n7stormrunner]

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

I'm not sure that english is your first language.

However, what I'm saying is that the "boobplates" were a result of oversexualization.

By having said "boobplates", hits to the chest would be deflected towards the center of the chest, otherwise known as the sternum. This would break the sternum. Broken sternums are bad.

Essentially, it doesn't make sense that armor would be like this if it would lead to injuries from it not functioning properly.

it is my only langauge,

or it would deflect outward or not at all  and I'm not sure if you know this or not but armors doesn't stop work because over the central of the chest.. if it hit would break rib where it hit or not break anything, in less the hit was a thrust aimed at the heart but then there be no deflecting because it hit where it was aimmed.

I'm not entirely sure what you typed out with that post, but yes, it could deflect to the side if it's glancing.

A stab to the breastplate wouldn't pierce though. That's where you're completely wrong .

With armor of that kind, most injuries would be from the impact of weapons against it marring the tissues beneath the armor: bone, muscle, skin, etc.

You still haven't acknowledged the glaring flaw of the center of the chest putting unecessary risk on the sternum.

look up be'ves for me, it'll be in images. that is a flaw in armour. and there is no flaw in the armour you posted.. in less you count women having breast a flaw in the armour.

qistina can you come back... we need better trolls

Modifié par n7stormrunner, 23 février 2014 - 06:17 .

[kukumburr]

BasilKarlo wrote...

What realism? These are video games set in a fantasy world full of monsters and magic. If you want realism you came to the wrong place.

They may be fantasy but they're largely inspired by reality.

Such hyperbole. Always demands of more diverse characters in games but as soon as they're there they get ignored. Aveline, Meredith, Sigrun, etc mean nothing because what you lot want is not diversity, it's politically correct "diversity." A shallow appearance of diversity. A black guy here, a gay woman there, a bisexual latino dwarf thrown in for good measure. You don't care about character. You reduce them to what they look like or who the have sex with. I'm bisexual myself, but that is not who I am. I am more than what I do with my penis. I don't expect game developers to put more bisexual men in video games just to make me feel better and I don't need to play a bisexual character to enjoy games.

They're not ignored. In fact, one of the main reasons I play Bioware games is because they seem to pay attention to these issues more so than a lot of other developers and I appreciate that. Just because we're only discussing appearance here doesn't mean having a variety of personalities isn't just as important to me, if not more so.

I'm curious as to why you think it's shallow to add diversity. In real life, people are all different shapes, sizes, and colors. That's normal for humans. So if you have humans in a video game, shouldn't the standard be to have that same variety? Why is it shallow to want that? Why would only wanting "white male" NOT be shallow?

I will say that I think the importance of this varies with the kind of game, though. In games where the story is more taking you along for the ride instead of being based on player choices, I don't mind playing as the default white guy (although I would still prefer options). However, in games like Dragon Age where player choice and "making your mark" are emphasized, I think it's important to not exclude people. Otherwise you might end up feeling alienated in the world you're supposed to be shaping.

[Red Panda]

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

I'm not sure that english is your first language.

However, what I'm saying is that the "boobplates" were a result of oversexualization.

By having said "boobplates", hits to the chest would be deflected towards the center of the chest, otherwise known as the sternum. This would break the sternum. Broken sternums are bad.

Essentially, it doesn't make sense that armor would be like this if it would lead to injuries from it not functioning properly.

it is my only langauge,

or it would deflect outward or not at all  and I'm not sure if you know this or not but armors doesn't stop work because over the central of the chest.. if it hit would break rib where it hit or not break anything, in less the hit was a thrust aimed at the heart but then there be no deflecting because it hit where it was aimmed.

I'm not entirely sure what you typed out with that post, but yes, it could deflect to the side if it's glancing.

A stab to the breastplate wouldn't pierce though. That's where you're completely wrong .

With armor of that kind, most injuries would be from the impact of weapons against it marring the tissues beneath the armor: bone, muscle, skin, etc.

You still haven't acknowledged the glaring flaw of the center of the chest putting unecessary risk on the sternum.

look up be'ves for me, it'll be in images. that is a flaw in armour. and there is no flaw in the armour you posted.. in less you count women having breast a flaw in the armour.

qistina can you come back... we need better trolls

I'm merely stating my opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Clearly, we think differently. As such, we are not getting along. Therefore, I respect you for your opinion and your debate.

Your word does not exist anyway. Perhaps you have misspelled it.

Still, your point of view is... unique.

[9TailsFox]

OperatingWookie wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Fifth Fleet Out wrote...

Women are less bulky then us men, the bodies have reflected that in the DA universe. If your complaint is that women in the DA or mass effect verse are too sexy, the men are pretty good looking as well. From Kaiden, Default Shepard, and the Illusive Man.

If it were the same, there'd be closeup Miranda!shots of Kaidan's backside.

But these forums aren't about Mass Effect, so....

*snipped*

Not a dialogue scene where you have it in your face while you're picking a dialogue option.

Fair point though.

Well you absolutely right as much as I like Miranda ass it was overdone.And Ashley transformation in ME. Come on really are you fu.. kidding me.
I just don't understand why people complain about representation in Dragon age then it is perfect. We have Isable and Avelina and all in between. Same with male We have from Alistair to Oghren (Walking joke from stereotypical man.)

[Allan Schumacher]

qistina can you come back... we need better trolls

Unnecessary and it stops right now.

[durasteel]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

<image of Pauline Nordin snipped>

This is my ideal woman model in games like Dragon Age. Her muscle mass looks realistic, she looks physically fit, and she still looks attractive. Give her some armor and she's ready to slay some demons.

I admire the effort she must have put into achieving that level of fitness, but I wouldn't say there was anything "realistic" about her as a model for combat-ready women. I've seen any number of athletes, soldiers, and firefighters who have a much more believable physicality for a warrior.

Also, not to detract from her in any way, but I find the orange fake tan and the implants to be alienating. 

[Firky]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I can't really say what the average age is.  You can disagree with the ESA studies since people will disagree on whether the games are truly games, or what have you, but if you're just speaking from personal experience and intuition, it's best to not "assure" us of anything.

Just on whether "all those women who play games only play puzzle games" this study showed that puzzle games are both the most popular for men and women and that preference for genre are very similar across the board.

This one. http://www.igea.net/...australia-2014/

PS. On topic. I'm totally looking forward to qunari women. (And, the qunari blokes looked kind of samey in DA2. )

Modifié par Firky, 23 février 2014 - 06:31 .

[n7stormrunner]

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

n7stormrunner wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

yeah, there's room for boobs, but the DA team has always been great about female armors.

The only (slight) exception would be the dalish armor in DA:O and even that was pretty tame.

And the chainmail boobyplates.



Because not deflecting hits to your sternum is less important than objectifying women as sex objects.

I don't remember that armour having a be'ves nor do I see one in that pic.. if thats not what you mean then thats not what that word means

I'm not sure that english is your first language.

However, what I'm saying is that the "boobplates" were a result of oversexualization.

By having said "boobplates", hits to the chest would be deflected towards the center of the chest, otherwise known as the sternum. This would break the sternum. Broken sternums are bad.

Essentially, it doesn't make sense that armor would be like this if it would lead to injuries from it not functioning properly.

it is my only langauge,

or it would deflect outward or not at all  and I'm not sure if you know this or not but armors doesn't stop work because over the central of the chest.. if it hit would break rib where it hit or not break anything, in less the hit was a thrust aimed at the heart but then there be no deflecting because it hit where it was aimmed.

I'm not entirely sure what you typed out with that post, but yes, it could deflect to the side if it's glancing.

A stab to the breastplate wouldn't pierce though. That's where you're completely wrong .

With armor of that kind, most injuries would be from the impact of weapons against it marring the tissues beneath the armor: bone, muscle, skin, etc.

You still haven't acknowledged the glaring flaw of the center of the chest putting unecessary risk on the sternum.

look up be'ves for me, it'll be in images. that is a flaw in armour. and there is no flaw in the armour you posted.. in less you count women having breast a flaw in the armour.

qistina can you come back... we need better trolls

I'm merely stating my opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Clearly, we think differently. As such, we are not getting along. Therefore, I respect you for your opinion and your debate.

Your word does not exist anyway. Perhaps you have misspelled it.

Still, your point of view is... unique.

be'ves is the klingon boob window. 

a no it's not opinion.. an opinion a based on something that can be different from person to person, if the woman in the picture you posted is attactive or not would be an opinion.  if armour stops working because it happens to cover breasts is not. at best it is a gross misunderstanding of how armour works.

but you are right we do think very differently