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[Hellion Rex]

At last you have come to the close child. Well done. I applaud you for making it this far. Now you may enter the DAI forums with full knowledge of what lies ahead. And now you are fully aware of the world that constitutes DAI. Mages versus Templars. Red lyrium, and more importantly, Red Templars. Demons, veil tears, and Inquisitors galore.

[Hellion Rex]

How aware are you exactly of everything within DAI? The companions, plot details, etc.? Are you completely caught up?

[caradoc2000]

As you suspected, the companion reactions can wary quite a bit. For example, if you have high (but not max) rivalry with Fenris, you would have had to fight him after siding with the mages. Conversely, you need (depending on your F/R) to fight Merrill if you side with the templars. Even Aveline may side against you if you side with the mages.

 

The best part is that Anders can be convinced to fight with you even if you side with the templars. He'll be annulling mages left and right.

 

And now armed with DAO and DA2 knowledge you can fully dive into the DAI forums.

[LostInReverie19]

You are dead on about the approval thing. I've had to kill Fenris before when I sided with the mages. =X It was...bad. 

 

Poor-sino?! That's great! I have to use that from now on! XD

 

And ahhh, you come to the end at last...I'm really glad you like the game. It seems like you and I have very similar feelings regarding DA2! 

[Xilizhra]

Indeed, in these final moments he became a better man than at least one of Hawke's companions.

I would contest this statement, but perhaps this isn't the place. Congratulations on finishing, at least.

 

I was spoiled, I admit, but I always find the Chantry's destruction to be magnificent.

[JeffZero]

So I've gone for something of a brisk victory walk around town after departing the computer lab. For now my all-encompassing reply to everything posted thus far is one of sincere and deep appreciation you've all stuck through it to the end with me. When I started the Origins thread early last month I half expected it to just be me rambling to myself the whole way through, but by DA2 this really became a great experience in its own right.

I'll offer more individual replies later, but I will respond to the inquiry about what I know re: DAI. Not... terribly much, but a fair bit, I suppose! I know Varric is a companion again. I know Cassandra is too. Which is awesome. I know that Vivienne lady is. And I know the game looks absurdly pretty and Morrigan is pivotal. And there's a tear in the Veil all over the place and demons are pouring in, and that's not good.

[Hellion Rex]

So I've gone for something of a brisk victory walk around town after departing the computer lab. For now my all-encompassing reply to everything posted thus far is one of sincere and deep appreciation you've all stuck through it to the end with me. When I started the Origins thread early last month I half expected it to just be me rambling to myself the whole way through, but by DA2 this really became a great experience in its own right.

I'll offer more individual replies later, but I will respond to the inquiry about what I know re: DAI. Not... terribly much, but a fair bit, I suppose! I know Varric is a companion again. I know Cassandra is too. Which is awesome. I know that Vivienne lady is. And I know the game looks absurdly pretty and Morrigan is pivotal. And there's a tear in the Veil all over the place and demons are pouring in, and that's not good.

Congratulations. Fortunately, you only have half a year before Game 3, even though we've been twiddlin' our thumbs for 3 years lol

[LPPrince]

Poor Orsino? Side with the Templars and you find out he was supplying whats his face that killed Hawke's mom AND keeping his necromancy a secret from everyone. Orsino was the "O" in the letter you find between the killer and his confidant.

[JeffZero]

Yeah well I still like that nickname

[LPPrince]

Yeah well I still like that nickname

 

I'm sure Leandra would love to know that.

[JeffZero]

Hey now, I talked to her ghost once, I can do it again!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Congrats, Jeff! It was pretty clear which side you'd take in The Last Straw, but I was very curious what fate you'd choose for Anders. Some people agree 100% with his beliefs and just cannot tolerate what he did at the end of the game.

 

But... dat healing, doe!

 

[JeffZero]

If you've been following this thread and receive a friend invite tonight, don't be surprised. I'm doling them out like they're on the clearance aisle. And if you don't receive one and feel ripped off... it isn't intentional, so send one to me instead!

Thanks, HYR! Yeah, I can see that. I was kind of floored he would go that far myself. But how much of it was him, I wonder? I'm intrigued by the idea that it really was mainly Anders, but Justice had been growing stronger and stronger...

[Xilizhra]

Poor Orsino? Side with the Templars and you find out he was supplying whats his face that killed Hawke's mom AND keeping his necromancy a secret from everyone. Orsino was the "O" in the letter you find between the killer and his confidant.

He wasn't; the letter was really old. He didn't reveal Quentin to the templars, but that's really it.

[Lulupab]

Anders is more... dormant if you don't kill him and let him help you, he doesn't glow after destruction of chantry anymore. Could be just an speculation but maybe he really sees himself for what he is.

 

I cannot wait to see an alive Anders' cameo in Inquisition.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Thanks, HYR! Yeah, I can see that. I was kind of floored he would go that far myself. But how much of it was him, I wonder? I'm intrigued by the idea that it really was mainly Anders, but Justice had been growing stronger and stronger...

 

As it happens, friendship/rivalry is a BIG factor there!

 

*edit*

 

If you ever want to play to get his rivalry, I recommend you do it as a mage, in fact. I find that playing as one makes me less sympathetic to mages, not more -- like, you look at other rogue mages and think: "Dammit guys, why can't you keep it together?" Take an "enforcer" role as well, reining in any corrupt mages, saving them from themselves. Anders will try to make you feel hypocritical by pointing out you're a free mage, yourself. Don't let him. Bear in mind that you've mastered your power, which sets you apart from the others in a very big way.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

I wish I hadn't been spoiled on the ending of DA2; it would've been nice to be surprised by the Chantry's lolsplosion. Totally a spoiler addict, so... 

 

Anyway, I personally find it impossible to not kill Anders, because, from an in-character perspective, my Hawke doesn't know whether or not he'll commit another act similar to the Chantry-go-boom. And, despite being a mage himself, is kind of hating on the mages by the end of the game; there's nothing but a bunch of crazy blood mages and the like in Kirkwall. Also because of Orsino helping your mother's killer. Though I'm still having a tough time deciding whether or not he'll side with the Templars or mages at the end. Don't know if he'll go far enough to support the RoA.

 

Though this thread isn't about my sorta-hypocritical Hawke so I'll just stop now before I type a novel 

[Lulupab]

As it happens, friendship/rivalry is a BIG factor there!

 

Indeed. As the codex says, in friendship route having a friend (or lover) has helped Anders control Justice and only lose control when he is angry.

 

While when rivaled, the codex says getting support from nowhere Anders is losing his willpower as well as control over Justice.

 

Afterall the only thing keeping a mage from becoming an abomination is not wanting to become one. As soon as the mage wants to become one it'll happens. So willpower and support are quite important.

 

Also there is an option that Hawke accepts what Anders did but its only available if Anders is 100% friend and his quests completed on act 3.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Your endgame pretty much ended up like my endgame.

I had no idea that Orsino was such a douche, though...I always had a funny feeling about him, and could never understand why. Well, now I know. XD

 

However, regardless of that, I just cannot ever side with the Templars because I find what they do to mages completely horrifying. Even if they didn't make mages Tranquil, I'm also not a fan of how they basically force all the mages into the Circle. It also seems like some Circles are cool and some are really uptight, so it's like a roll of the dice to see what kind of treatment a mage gets at the hands of the Circle. No sentient being should have to live like that.

 

Funny thing is, I knew what was going to happen at the end, and so I started up my playthrough of DA2 (and, mind you, I managed to forget to play through Awakenings so I missed like half of Anders's backstory), and I was a happeh femHawke named Afton. I rolled with my peeps, then we went to go see this mage healer guy...and welp, I fell for him. So, naturally, did Afton Hawke. I played the whole rest of the way through the game with goo goo eyes for Anders and I KNEW what was coming. But he seemed so reasonable and his positions on the rights of mages perfectly mirrored my own (and he's a cat person...mer). But playing host to Justice changed him and Justice both, and not for the better. I really couldn't rationalize what he did away, but at the same time, I couldn't stop loving him because of it.

It was terrible, Jeff. Just terrible.

[TheLittleBird]

Wow, this was a great read.

You ended up making pretty much the same choices as I did on my first playthrough. I'm currently doing my "canon" run, though. This Hawke is doing everything in the best interest of her family. She never brought Bethany with her to the Deep Roads, for example, because she felt it was too dangerous.

 

I'm not sure though about whether or not this Hawke will kill Anders. On the one hand, he brought Circle-Bethany in great danger... heck, even all of Kirkwall. And that she could not tolerate. Not at all. On the other hand... your speech about this was great, Jeff, and that mindset could fit my Hawke quite well.

Argh.... choices choices choices.

[wright1978]

Enjoyed reading the climax to Garrett's tale.

 

My main issue with the mage siding route is Orsino turning himself into a harvester which you have to fight. That felt unsatisfying. At times i think Bioware is too desperate to have boss fight equality for both routes. I'd have preferred siding with mages tipping the scale so that Orsino doesn't go loony. I was happy enough with the news my Hawke vanished off with his Isabela even if it was rather vague, if DAI reveals a bleak fate for him i would be less fine. I don't think the endings particularly inspired but it is not on same scale to the trainwreck that is ME3's imo.

[The Elder King]

Excellent final read. I'm glad that you enjoyed the game that much. My opinion isn't as positive (though it's not exactly negative), but I guess I would've enjoyed the game more if I played it full-patched and the dlc installed. Playing the dlc in Act 3 counters somehow the shortness (and in my opinion, rushed development) of Act 3.
I hope that you'll do something similar for Inqusition. I really enjoyed reading this (and the other) thread .

Anders is more... dormant if you don't kill him and let him help you, he doesn't glow after destruction of chantry anymore. Could be just an speculation but maybe he really sees himself for what he is.
 
I cannot wait to see an alive Anders' cameo in Inquisition.

IF there's a cameo for Anders .

[Helios969]

I let Anders survive first time through roll-playing a virtuous warrior who sought to help everyone and believed in the idea of redemption (impossible in DA2), but that was too much a stretch of believability to let him walk away.  Have given him the knife thereafter.  At this point I don't remember enough of Awakening to have any fond memories of him, and did not particularly care for his character in DA2.  I totally get what BW was going for with DA2 in terms of setting things up for DAI, but really if most of my playthroughs didn't include Bethany I'd probably side with the Templars all the time given that apparently every mage in Kirkwall is consorting with demons.  Between that, Anders, and Merrill, I found it really hard to sympathize with mages.  They're there own worst enemy.  I'm very interested how BW might bridge this chasm between "mages on a lease" and the Tevinter Magister extreme...or if they even can.  It's clear The Circle, Chantry, and Templar dynamic doesn't work, but cannot see any real long term solution either.

[Kaidan Fan]

I'm so glad I stumbled upon your Origins thread and then happily found this one a few days later.  They were great reads.  It was nice seeing the game through someone elses eyes and reading their interpretations of it.  Now I'm curious....did you ever do this for Mass Effect? Because I would totally read those too!

 

I have many.....MANY play throughs of DA:O and DA2 and yours does match a few of mine.  That is one of the things that makes the games so replayable....all the differing choices to make.  I must see them all, youtube just doesn't do it for me!

 

Anyways, thanks for inviting us along on your journey. 

[Ozzy]

Spoiler

Pretty much my reaction to Orsino's breakdown. ;P

The feeling was made even more bitter when Bioware was like, "Yep, we added him as a boss fight because we didn't feel we didn't have enough!"

 

Anders' betrayal was such a gut punch. Especially since Hawke can be seen as 'complicit' due to assisting him in procuring the ingredients. Despite my anger, I couldn't kill him outright. The murder knife just seems too 'cheap' for lack of a better word and too clinical. It doesn't really feel like a passionate retaliation. With that said, I told him to basically get as far from me as possible as quickly as he could. I found his Rivalry path to be much more rich though since he actually seems to recognise the adverse effects of Justice on his psyche and tries to fight it. He acknowledges that he has moments where he blacks out and doesn't know what he does. The Friendship path seems a bit worse off afterwards.  

 

Anyhoo, congrats on finishing it. It was great experiencing it fresh vicariously again. Your reaper-sized posts certainly helped with that. ;]