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[LPPrince]

He wasn't; the letter was really old. He didn't reveal Quentin to the templars, but that's really it.

 

http://dragonage.wik...from_the_Circle

 

Sure about that?

[Lulupab]

IF there's a cameo for Anders .

 
Yeah... but there has to be. I cannot think of any other DA2 companion that has this much potential for cameo. None of them have a major role in events leading to Inquisition, well except for Varric and he is a companion for that matter. 
 

Anders' betrayal was such a gut punch. Especially since Hawke can be seen as 'complicit' due to assisting him in procuring the ingredients. Despite my anger, I couldn't kill him outright. The murder knife just seems too 'cheap' for lack of a better word and too clinical. It doesn't really feel like a passionate retaliation. With that said, I told him to basically get as far from me as possible as quickly as he could. I found his Rivalry path to be much more rich though since he actually seems to recognise the adverse effects of Justice on his psyche and tries to fight it. He acknowledges that he has moments where he blacks out and doesn't know what he does. The Friendship path seems a bit worse off afterwards.  
 
Anyhoo, congrats on finishing it. It was great experiencing it fresh vicariously again. Your reaper-sized posts certainly helped with that. ;]

Except as codex mentions, in friendship route thanks to Hawke's support Anders is in as much as control as possible and only losing it when very angry or fighting Templars. But you want him to be in self denial. OK I can see why you think that way. Its always better to accept the situation and take responsibility (friendship) than to deny your own identity and blame the spirit for it when you yourself invited him inside.

 

Also BSN is full of people who never saw friend Anders' last conversation before fighting Meredith. 

[The Elder King]

Yeah... but there has to be. I cannot think of any other DA2 companion that has this much potential for cameo. None of them have a major role in events leading to Inquisition, well except for Varric and he is a companion for that matter. 
 

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That's assuming that other than Varric there'll be other DA2 companions in DAI.

[Xilizhra]

 

http://dragonage.wik...from_the_Circle

 

Sure about that?

100%. Orsino stopped corresponding with Quentin after the Harvester research, which was before Quentin's wife died (we know this because Quentin confesses to Gaspard that his depression after that had rendered him academically useless).

 

Also, I'll agree that there will very likely be a cameo for Anders. And he'll be all right unless you went out of your way to screw him over, like Drunk Alistair (Rival Anders' suicidal tendencies strike me as being more or less on the same level as Thane's illness; you can clearly see bad things coming).

[Lulupab]

That's assuming that other than Varric there'll be other DA2 companions in DAI.

 

I don't see why that's relevant. Varric and Anders are the only companions who are related to Inquisition. Varric is a companion and Anders is not, mainly because he has been for two games. If alive, Anders is as important as Varric as he destroys the chantry which was one of the main events of mage-templar and arguably its "kickstarter". I was merely saying Anders having a cameo is more vital than Isabela, Merril etc... Like we have to know what happened to him, one of the characters who had a very significant role in the war or its simply another useless decision we made (keeping Anders alive) and Inquisition is ME3. 

 

Also aren't companions kinda known? Are you saying we can have a companion from DA2 reappear in DA:I as companion again? apart from Varric of course.

[JeffZero]

Oh man, this thread's gotten quite a few replies since I tucked myself into bed, pulled over Dragon Age: Asunder for the first time and passed out half a sentence into reading its back cover.

*stretches; yawns* Well I'll get y'all some responses in a bit, but feel free to chatter it up with one-another for as long as you like! (Or... as the mods like, whichever comes first.)

So much Inquisition to catch up on, so little ti -- ha, I have like seven months actually...

[LPPrince]

100%. Orsino stopped corresponding with Quentin after the Harvester research, which was before Quentin's wife died (we know this because Quentin confesses to Gaspard that his depression after that had rendered him academically useless).

 

Also, I'll agree that there will very likely be a cameo for Anders. And he'll be all right unless you went out of your way to screw him over, like Drunk Alistair (Rival Anders' suicidal tendencies strike me as being more or less on the same level as Thane's illness; you can clearly see bad things coming).

 

That doesn't change the fact he supplied Quentin and kept him+what he was doing a secret. Also thats not a 100% anything, isn't it? Its a guess that he still wasn't being supplied, unless I'm missing something else.

[Xilizhra]

That doesn't change the fact he supplied Quentin and kept him+what he was doing a secret. Also thats not a 100% anything, isn't it? Its a guess that he still wasn't being supplied, unless I'm missing something else.

He didn't supply Quentin, at least not at that time; it's not a current letter.

[The Elder King]

I don't see why that's relevant. Varric and Anders are the only companions who are related to Inquisition. Varric is a companion and Anders is not, mainly because he has been for two games. If alive, Anders is as important as Varric as he destroys the chantry which was one of the main events of mage-templar and arguably its "kickstarter". I was merely saying Anders having a cameo is more vital than Isabela, Merril etc... Like we have to know what happened to him, one of the characters who had a very significant role in the war or its simply another useless decision we made (keeping Anders alive) and Inquisition is ME3. 
 
Also aren't companions kinda known? Are you saying we can have a companion from DA2 reappear in DA:I as companion again? apart from Varric of course.

I meant that other than Varric (which we know will be present in DAI), we don't know if the other companions from DA2 will appear in DAI. They might appear as cameos, but it's just a possibility. They might not be present in DAI.
As for Anders, I don't see how him not appearing in DAI means that DAI is like ME3. Anders is one of the important characters in the mage-templar war, but he's not fundamental. He's not going to be fundamental for DAI, so i don't sede why he has to appear. If the choice of sparing him should be meaningful, a cameo isn't the way to go.
I'm not saying that I'm opposed to an Anders cameo. I just don't see it as fundamental or necessary for DAI.

[Lulupab]

I meant that other than Varric (which we know will be present in DAI), we don't know if the other companions from DA2 will appear in DAI. They might appear as cameos, but it's just a possibility. They might not be present in DAI.
As for Anders, I don't see how him not appearing in DAI means that DAI is like ME3. Anders is one of the important characters in the mage-templar war, but he's not fundamental. He's not going to be fundamental for DAI, so i don't sede why he has to appear. If the choice of sparing him should be meaningful, a cameo isn't the way to go.
I'm not saying that I'm opposed to an Anders cameo. I just don't see it as fundamental or necessary for DAI.

I didn't mean its fundamental, I meant his cameo would make more sense than any other DA2 companion.

[Reznore57]

I also didn't kill

 

Edit: Internet ate my post

Oh well ...

Nice to see you've enjoyed the game.

I also spared Anders , not because I believed in his Mage Freedom all that much.But the dude seemed so desperate , I couldn't knife him.Also I thought he was Hawke's friend.But I wanted to punch him in the teeth soooo much.

I've also wondered about companions after the end , poor Aveline and Donnic.Probably lost their home , jobs...

There were rumors about an Exalted March add on , but it got cancelled.

 

I hope in Inquisition Varric is looking for Hawke , and Leliana is after the warden.

I think Flemeth probably ate them!

More seriously I also think Flemeth used them for something ...

 

Anyway it was fun reading your posts , wonder if I will keep an Inquisition diary , now.

[caradoc2000]

I wouldn't be surprised if Anders had a cameo if you went that way. He won't in my games (those that I will import anyway), because he always gets a pugio between the ribs in those.

[CronoDragoon]

Oh goddammit, how did you people wait two-and-a-half years already for an answer?

 

Waited a lot longer for Revan/Exile, brah.

 

 

 

But damn you Anders.

 

Haha, I'm pretty sure the 500+ page thread on that plot development was called "GOD DAMNIT ANDERS". Cracked me up every time I saw it.

 

But yeah, jaw dropper. And I couldn't let him live. I can see the argument that it's only alive that he can make amends, but one who justifies mass murder once can do it again. Besides that, the people of Kirkwall have suffered enough, and Sebastian had just threatened invasion. While Sebastian may have gone overboard with his threat, I don't think he's entirely unjustified: here you are, the Champion of Kirkwall, doing nothing (in his eyes) to the one that just murdered the Chantry and who knows how many civilians. If the Champion of Kirkwall won't serve justice for Kirkwall, then maybe Starkhaven would.

 

Still, given the option I'd kill Anders and then tell Sebastian to collect his toys and go home, because he wasn't welcome anymore.

[DarthGizka]

Oh man, this thread's gotten quite a few replies since I tucked myself into bed, pulled over Dragon Age: Asunder for the first time and passed out half a sentence into reading its back cover.

 

Been trying to read that one for over a month but I always fall asleep after one or two pages...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Enjoyed reading the climax to Garrett's tale.

 

My main issue with the mage siding route is Orsino turning himself into a harvester which you have to fight. That felt unsatisfying. At times i think Bioware is too desperate to have boss fight equality for both routes. I'd have preferred siding with mages tipping the scale so that Orsino doesn't go loony. I was happy enough with the news my Hawke vanished off with his Isabela even if it was rather vague, if DAI reveals a bleak fate for him i would be less fine. I don't think the endings particularly inspired but it is not on same scale to the trainwreck that is ME3's imo.

 

You know, I'm actually okay with Orsino using that foul blood-magic spell, I just hate how it was reduced to an impulsive decision made in despair when it had potential to be a real "grey area." Very out-of-character for a guy that solo'd a Qunari squad as a distraction not long after seeing all his apprentices die in battle.

 

What if, say, you saw the second wave of Templars coming and it was just a huge army that Hawke & Co would obviously have no way of defeating (like the one you see outside in the Gallows when you confront Meredith in the end, or perhaps even bigger)? Or, Orsino looks down at the casualties of the first wave of Templars (all those mages that just drop dead at the end of the fight, lol) and says that that wasn't even the brunt of the Templars' army, giving them slim-to-no chance of stopping the rest of them conventionally. In short, you're screwed, but Orsino has one last trick up his sleeve: the Harvester blood-magic ritual.

 

With that, Orsino becomes the same abomination as now, but instead unleashing it on the Templars in such a way that it will decimate their army before they finally kill it -- an equalizer that would give Hawke & Co a much better chance of victory than otherwise. Additionally, Orsino would where he got it from (Quintein), and express regret for his part in that -- especially given Hawke's support for him here. While the player would be none to pleased, Orsino would point out that (1) he will "atone" by sacrificing himself for this ritual; (2) in allowing this to help them stop the Templars, Hawke's mother's death would not be for nothing and even save more lives. In the end, it would come down to what the player chooses, but the situation could have really put beliefs on blood-magic to the test.

 

 

 

^ I headcanon that for my Hawke who sided for with the mages -- she agrees to the ritual. Varric just lied so as to not tarnish her image.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh man, this thread's gotten quite a few replies since I tucked myself into bed, pulled over Dragon Age: Asunder for the first time and passed out half a sentence into reading its back cover.

*stretches; yawns* Well I'll get y'all some responses in a bit, but feel free to chatter it up with one-another for as long as you like! (Or... as the mods like, whichever comes first.)

So much Inquisition to catch up on, so little ti -- ha, I have like seven months actually...

Well, now you have to report what you see happen in Asunder. You didn't think we would merely let you get away with *only* reporting on DA2, now did you?

[JeffZero]

Not at all! Not at all.

And we call join together in a teepee and read The Masked Empire together in a scant few weeks!

[Hellion Rex]

Not at all! Not at all.

And we call join together in a teepee and read The Masked Empire together in a scant few weeks!

Oh my god, I completely forgot the Masked Empire is out in a few weeks!!!!!! Praise the Maker!!!!!!!!!!

[TheLittleBird]

Blessed are they who stand before the corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.
- Meredith, 9:37 Dragon

 

My favourite line in all of Dragon Age, I think. I love how Meredith uses it to describe herself, when in reality, the sentence really describes Hawke to me.

[Hellion Rex]

My favourite line in all of Dragon Age, I think. I love how Meredith uses it to describe herself, when in reality, the sentence really describes Hawke to me.

Indeed, it is a tad ironic that she is speaking that to you, and yet she's the "corrupt" and "wicked" one. Good catch!

[Lulupab]

So does that make Meredith a Villain or simply an Antagonist?

[TheLittleBird]

To me, it just makes her wrong. Naive, perhaps. 

Not a villain though, so if I had to answer that, I'd say: an antagonist.

[BevH]

Waited a lot longer for Revan/Exile, brah.

 

 

 

 

Haha, I'm pretty sure the 500+ page thread on that plot development was called "GOD DAMNIT ANDERS". Cracked me up every time I saw it.

 

But yeah, jaw dropper. And I couldn't let him live. I can see the argument that it's only alive that he can make amends, but one who justifies mass murder once can do it again. Besides that, the people of Kirkwall have suffered enough, and Sebastian had just threatened invasion. While Sebastian may have gone overboard with his threat, I don't think he's entirely unjustified: here you are, the Champion of Kirkwall, doing nothing (in his eyes) to the one that just murdered the Chantry and who knows how many civilians. If the Champion of Kirkwall won't serve justice for Kirkwall, then maybe Starkhaven would.

 

Still, given the option I'd kill Anders and then tell Sebastian to collect his toys and go home, because he wasn't welcome anymore.

I always feel as though my Hawke would laugh in Sebastian's face at that remark. The so-called prince has been in Kirkwall for how long now? And the only "army" he's managed to gather has been the backing of what's left of the Harrimans.

[Hellion Rex]

So does that make Meredith a Villain or simply an Antagonist?

Not a villain. Antagonist in my eyes.

[Xilizhra]

Oh my god, I completely forgot the Masked Empire is out in a few weeks!!!!!! Praise the Maker!!!!!!!!!!

Praise or curse, depending on the outcome...