I always feel as though my Hawke would laugh in Sebastian's face at that remark. The so-called prince has been in Kirkwall for how long now? And the only "army" he's managed to gather has been the backing of what's left of the Harrimans.
However pathetic Sebastian might be, Kirkwall is probably a rung below post-Andersocalypse.
Edit: I also side with the mages so Hawke ain't gonna be in charge at Kirkwall.
Edit: I also side with the mages so Hawke ain't gonna be in charge at Kirkwall.
That too. At least by siding with the templars, Hawke can become the new Viscount.
Viscount of a dead city. Thanks but no thanks.
I have decided. My canon Hawke kills Anders.
How couldn't she? Anders blowing up the Chantry assured Circle-Bethany's death, really. Well, if there was no Hawke.
Praise or curse, depending on the outcome...
Yeah, to be honest, the outcome could go either way. But based on what the script for the villager said within the Take Your Place Contest, the conflict might not be resolved within the novel. Regardless, I am looking forward to a good read.
I have decided. My canon Hawke kills Anders.
How couldn't she? Anders blowing up the Chantry assured Circle-Bethany's death, really. Well, if there was no Hawke.
You're right. The Templars locking her up in the first place are so innocent.
You're right. The Templars locking her up in the first place are so innocent.
Okay, okay, the Templars aren't great, I know that (my Hawke even hates them, and I kind of do too. At least most of them in Kirkwall). It's just that my Hawke never could forgive Anders taking so many innocent lives for his greater goal. Heck, Anders even doesn't forgive himself for that.
Okay, okay, the Templars aren't great, I know that (my Hawke even hates them, and I kind of do too. At least most of them in Kirkwall). It's just that my Hawke never could forgive Anders taking so many innocent lives for his greater goal. Heck, Anders even doesn't forgive himself for that.
Well if he is a friend he does forgive himself, right before you fight Meredith. But that was not my point. Read this on my full opinion on Anders' actions
Killing Anders really comes down to whether or not your Hawke believes that killing him will make things right. Even if Anders weren't my Hawke's LI, even if Bethany had gone to the Chantry instead of with the Wardens, that's just now how she rolls. She doesn't think killing him will do anything but add to the violence and bloodshed. In fact, she believes that killing Anders would be an act of mercy he doesn't deserve. Whether or not he forgives himself, he will have to live with it the rest of his life, and Afton Hawke probably won't ever truly forgive him for it, so he has to live with that, too.
Viscount of a dead city. Thanks but no thanks.
I'd rather be a viscount of a dead city than a terrorist.
I would have added something more, but this is a family friendly forum.
Edit: timeout: I know you love Anders, and you should know I hate Anders: maybe we can agree to disagree. 
Patrick hasn't disappointed me and neither of David's Origins prequel novels have either. But I haven't read a Patrick novel yet and he himself has admitted to a less than stellar grasp of the lore, so combine that with the fact that it's the fourth DA novel and the first without the lead writer's penmanship and I can't escape certain... disquieting flashbacks.
You've all read my posts. You all know how lax I am with a lot of things that have sent BSN into open rebellion.
And yet I am frequently associated with the google doc on Mass Effect: Deception.
Think about that.
I have read Patrick's novel, The Palace Job, and I thought it was pretty good, so I think he'll do fine on The Masked Empire.
Well if he is a friend he does forgive himself, right before you fight Meredith. But that was not my point. Read this on my full opinion on Anders' actions
Spoiler
I agree about that. I actually think of Anders in the same way. But my point really was about the fact that by blowing up the Chantry, Anders gave Meredith the final push to invoke the Right of Annulment, which put danger on all mages in Kirkwall. Including my Hawke's Circle-Bethany. And, well, my Hawke is all about family and will do anything to protect them. It's why she gave Isabela to the Arishok. And it's why she killed Anders - not because she feared he'd do something like this again, but because she was so enraged with him for putting his sister in such grave danger.
I agree about that. I actually think of Anders in the same way. But my point really was about the fact that by blowing up the Chantry, Anders gave Meredith the final push to invoke the Right of Annulment, which put danger on all mages in Kirkwall. Including my Hawke's Circle-Bethany. And, well, my Hawke is all about family and will do anything to protect them. It's why she gave Isabela to the Arishok. And it's why she killed Anders - not because she feared he'd do something like this again, but because she was so enraged with him for putting his sister in such grave danger.
Meredith calling for Annulment had nothing to do with Anders when it comes down to it. Her decision to Annul the Circle because a Mage that she KNEW was an apostate (non circle mage) was in no way justifiable.
Patrick hasn't disappointed me and neither of David's Origins prequel novels have either. But I haven't read a Patrick novel yet and he himself has admitted to a less than stellar grasp of the lore, so combine that with the fact that it's the fourth DA novel and the first without the lead writer's penmanship and I can't escape certain... disquieting flashbacks.
You've all read my posts. You all know how lax I am with a lot of things that have sent BSN into open rebellion.
And yet I am frequently associated with the google doc on Mass Effect: Deception.
Think about that.
If they screw up yet another lesbian relationship... I still need to decide on the best means to express my displeasure in that eventuality.
I'd rather be a viscount of a dead city than a terrorist.
And I would much rather be a terrorist than a conductor of genocide.
Just ran across this thread. Andraste's Flaming Knickers - how did you manage to keep yourself free of SO MANY SPOILERS???? Especially that Anders jengas the chantry! WOAH! Major kudos on just that feat alone!
Have you started reading Asunder? So good.
Ach, is it Fall 2014 yet?
Just ran across this thread. Andraste's Flaming Knickers - how did you manage to keep yourself free of SO MANY SPOILERS???? Especially that Anders jengas the chantry! WOAH! Major kudos on just that feat alone!
*snip*
That is probably the best metaphor I've seen in reference to that scene. Bravo. ('Scuse my while I die laughing over here.)
Especially since there's Jenga Boom now...
Just ran across this thread. Andraste's Flaming Knickers - how did you manage to keep yourself free of SO MANY SPOILERS???? Especially that Anders jengas the chantry! WOAH! Major kudos on just that feat alone!
Have you started reading Asunder? So good.
Ach, is it Fall 2014 yet?
Facebook ruined me for DA2. Too many "GDI ANDERS" memes. XD
What he understood is that it wasn't about right or wrong, it was about necessity.
Well, exactly. Such is usually the justification of extremists. I don't think he's evil, but he's certainly a murdering bastard, and I wasn't going to wait around if he decided on the next innocent group to slaughter for his cause. Killing him was by far the hardest choice I've made in Dragon Age, because I sympathized with the mages, because I sympathized with his situation with Justice, because I remembered what a light-hearted funny guy he used to be in Awakening. But dead he ended up.
That is probably the best metaphor I've seen in reference to that scene. Bravo. ('Scuse my while I die laughing over here.)
Especially since there's Jenga Boom now...
I cannot take credit for that awesomeness. I first joined BSN solely for the Anders Thread and that's where I picked up the lingo. 
Although I have since moved on to stalking the DAI devs via Twitter, my love for Anders will never die or diminish. 
Meredith calling for Annulment had nothing to do with Anders when it comes down to it. Her decision to Annul the Circle because a Mage that she KNEW was an apostate (non circle mage) was in no way justifiable.
Whether it was justifiable or not is a whole other discussion (I think it isn't). But Anders gave Meredith that final push by killing, among others, Grand Cleric Elthina. Elthina held both Orsino and Meredith a little under control (yes, you could argue that Meredith would have 'snapped' eventually, but let's not), and her death freed them of that control.
And Meredith actually says:
"The Chantry has been destroyed by a MAGE! I hereby invoke the Right of Annulment!"
So yeah, Anders kind of let Meredith loose. And he knew it.
But hey, let's keep this discussion for another thread or time. I wouldn't want to spam Jeff's (amazing) thread with it. After all, we should be celebrating the end of an epic tale here.
Well, exactly. Such is usually the justification of extremists. I don't think he's evil, but he's certainly a murdering bastard, and I wasn't going to wait around if he decided on the next innocent group to slaughter for his cause. Killing him was by far the hardest choice I've made in Dragon Age, because I sympathized with the mages, because I sympathized with his situation with Justice, because I remembered what a light-hearted funny guy he used to be in Awakening. But dead he ended up.
I get the feeling this might end up into another Anders discussion thread, but since I haven't given my two cents, I might as well talk about it.
Well, I think innocent is subjective. For example, if someone that is member of the KKK claims he is innocent because he never hurted anyone, wouldn't people still hate him and say he is guilty by association? That's the way I see the people of the Chantry, they might have not done something bad themselves, but doesn't change the fact they joined an group that happly commit many attrocities in the name of their belief. Not only imprisioning mages, but kidnapping any children accidentally born to them. Social segregation of non believer and minorities (city elves), and go as far as to commit manslaughter against civilians that simply refused to convert to the worship of the maker. And then they aways get away with it because of their position. I think it's about time karma catches up with them and this time someone does something outrageous against them and gets away with it. That's why I spare Anders. While I might not agree with him in every angle, I don't think he deserves to die, considering many members of the Chantry also did bad stuff and were never punished by their crimes neither.
first without the lead writer's penmanship and I can't escape certain... disquieting flashbacks.
Go on, tell me that "roly-poly volus" isn't one of the best phrases you've heard in your life.
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