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[CybAnt1]

Orleisian speak differently and having different culture from Fereldens, they are of different race.

 

 

 

No, differences of language and culture mean they are different ethnicities. The concept of race - however unscientific it may be, which is a different discussion - is based on phenotype, biology, and heredity. 

 

Please take an anthropology course, Qistina. 

 

Many ethnicities are nationalities; however, at this point, many nation-states are not exclusive to one ethnic group, but may contain several (as well as several races). 

[Steelcan]

Really? Then why French and English don't share the same language and culture, even have different features?

 

I'm willing to bet you were asking a question but I just can't figure out what you meant.

 

Are you using Google translate?

[Steelcan]

French are Frankish people who migrate from the east beating the Germanic Teutonic tribe in Europe....English is mixed of Sacae tribe the Saxon and Anglo people...Scandinavians are Celtic people...

 

You call yourself Europeans but you guys are of different races, that is why don't share the same language and culture

 

There's also the Bretons, not the TES race, in France, Gallic populations, an increasingly large north african one

 

 

 

Scandinavians are Celtic?  Really?  -10/10

 

I don't call myself European, I call myself either white or American depending on the context, if you were to get specific it would be Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, and Pomeranian/Teutonic

[Steelcan]

Even Scotts and Irish are not Englishmen...the Scott and Irish are of different stock from English...different race. But today, you guys are British isn't it? Because of the nationality, the people of The Great Britain are called British, even if you are Scottish or Irish.

 

You call an Irishman British and see how well he takes it

[CybAnt1]

Qistina, please read this.

 

It explains these concepts.

 

At this point, Welsh, Scottish, (Northern) Irish, and English are several ethnic groups that share British nationality. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maybe this will help.

 

Species: a group of animals or plants that are similar and can produce young animals or plants. Or a particular group of things or people that belong together or have some shared quality.

Race: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics. Or an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species.

[GreyLycanTrope]

French are Frankish people who migrate from the east beating the Germanic Teutonic tribe in Europe....English is mixed of Sacae tribe the Saxon and Anglo people...Scandinavians are Celtic people...

 

You call yourself Europeans but you guys are of different races, that is why don't share the same language and culture

We don't share an exact language or culture for the exact same reason certain species of the same type of bird can develop different dialacts for their songs despite being the same exact species. Every colony or tribes is an experiance which is distinct from others based on the individuals which comprise it and will develop variablity compared to colonies or tribes in other regions, it doesn't make them a seperate race.

[Steelcan]

Yes, the Gauls...the original population of west side of Europe. Have war with the Romans...they are not french, they are Gallic, speaking different language and having different culture than the Frankish who comes later

 

Scandinavians are Celtic from what i know...same with Scotts and Irish...

 

The Franks are French in nationality today, but ultimately Germanic in ethnicity, they invented the concept of France vs Gaul.

 

 

The Scandinavians are as Germanic as it gets, their religion, language, and culture are in no way shape or form celtic

[GreyLycanTrope]

Japanese, Korean and Chinese are of the same race then

They are human. They're different cultures though which is something else entirely.

[CybAnt1]

Scandinavians are Celtic from what i know...same with Scotts and Irish...

 

No, they're a Nordic/Teutonic/North Germanic people. The descendants of Vikings - not Celts. 

[Steelcan]

They are human. They're different cultures though which is something else entirely.

 

Last I checked the official stance of the Chinese government is that they evolved in China and all other races evolved in Africa

[CybAnt1]

Japanese, Korean and Chinese are of the same race then

 

By golly, she's got it. 

 

They're different ethnic groups, and because they all have their own nation-states, nationalities as well.

 

See how that works?

[Steelcan]

We are all human, of different races

 

I'm a werewolf

[Steelcan]

Race doesn't tie into religion, culture, language etc...

[GreyLycanTrope]

Last I checked the official stance of the Chinese government is that they evolved in China and all other races evolved in Africa

Yeah they also said anyone who's going to try and reincarnate after dead needs their permission and has a list of reasons why smog is good. They're cray.

 

 

We are all human, of different races

Here's where divergence of thought comes in between you and the other posters. In a practical real life sense sense the term race is used amongst ourselves to regonize differnet nationalities or ethnicities. In a fantasy or sci-fi setting that term is used to denote different species. How this term is applied in either setting is not interchangable.

[CybAnt1]

You know, pedantic as I am, there is a certain point where I can tell people are uninterested in reading and learning.

 

I posted a link to a text clarifying this difference above. Read it, then either choose to understand, or not. 

 

Ethnicity and race are different. Jews and Arabs are two different ethnic groups, not two different races. 

[CybAnt1]

READ AN ANTHROPOLOGY TEXTBOOK, QISTINA.

 

Or just READ THE LINK I POSTED ABOVE. 

 

No, race is based on PHENOTYPE.

 

Language and culture determine your ETHNICITY. 

[Steelcan]

It does...race is determined by language and culture

 

No

[GreyLycanTrope]

Does that mean City Elves are a distinct Race from Dalish Elves? Do we break down the City Elves further into subsections of Orleasion City Elves, Feralden Cities Elves, Tavinter City Elves etc.?

[CybAnt1]

[Fast Jimmy]

In America, people often state their race is black, or African American. Yet Africa is an entire continent, with more ethnic groups, cultures, languages and religions than possibly any other, barring possibly Asia. 

 

Yet I don't think anyone would be able to say with a straight face that Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and Muhammad Ali aren't the same race. Despite them tracing their heritage back to many different cultures and nations, as well as their own personal differing culture, religious and spiritual differences.

 

 

This is why race always has to work on a much higher level than nationality or ethnic group. "Hispanic" covers an entire continent and a half of nationalities and groups. "European" similarly spans not only Europe, but many parts of northern Asia as well (not to mention the more ubiquitous "white" that includes many North Americans and Australians). 

 

The case that there are thousands of races is impossible to even make, aside from the most hardcore eugenics proponents. At best, there are a dozen or so. And the only real way to track this, especially as groups blur and migrate, is phenotypical much more often than cultural.

 

Regardless, Orlesian is a nationality, not a race. Leliana was born in Ferelden, of Ferelden parents. Yet she was raised in Orlais and became the token Orlesian in the DA:O group, the prototypical representation of that nation. She was Orlesian, regardless of her "race."

[Fast Jimmy]

City Elves are Elves who got invaded, their language and culture depended on human who invade them. So yes, City Elves are of different race than Dalish Elf, and they are the same species

 

If I am a Dalish elf, but then move to the City (as we saw with Feynriel's mother), does my race change?

 

If not, then the two are not different races. They are different CULTURES. And different ETHNICITIES. But not different races. Race has a genetic, inheritable trait to it - not what language you speak or what religious customs you practice, but your direct lineage and phenotypical appearance.

[GreyLycanTrope]

City Elves are Elves who got invaded, their language and culture depended on human who invade them. So yes, City Elves are of different race than Dalish Elf, and they are the same species

Alright but they have the same language as the humans does that make them the same race as the humans who occupied them?

[darkchief10]

and this thread is off topic, I don't see why we can't add new races in the future, so much of mainland thedas remains unexplored, much less the rest of the planet.

[Steelcan]

We should make this issue easier by killing all the elves