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[BlueMagitek]

And even without the save function, there would be a canon ending anyway like KotOR. 

[LobselVith8]

I doubt Orlais will be THAT weakened, or that we'll have the option to weaken it that much.

 

You might be right, but I rather like the option to weaken Orlais, as opposed to aiding one of the two factions. The prospect of aiding the elves is much more appealing to me than helping either Celene or Gaspard.

[Hellion Rex]

I would rather like the option to weaken Orlais, as opposed to aiding one of the two factions. The prospect of aiding the elves is much more appealing to me than helping either Celene or Gaspard.

The city elves?

[Dhiro]

I for one welcome our new Dalish Elven Mages overlords.

 

Now bring back Shapeshifter so I can make myself a druid!

[LobselVith8]

The city elves?

 

There could be a combination of Alienage elves and Dalish elves in the mix, since the rumors of an elven uprising are coupled with the previous dialogue in Dragon Age II of the Arlathvhen taking place in the not too distant future.

[The Elder King]

You might be right, but I rather like the option to weaken Orlais, as opposed to aiding one of the two factions. The prospect of aiding the elves is much more appealing to me than helping either Celene or Gaspard.

I'd say that aiding the elves will be separate from the Orlesian ruler choice.

[WardenWade]

This thread has raised a lot of good, and really interesting points, on both sides the elven situation    In addition to being curious how elves will fare in general in the events of Inquisition and The Masked Empire, it's made me curious how the situation of the elf-blooded will change, if it does change?  If there's a great upheaval in the lot of the elves I wonder how elf-blooded humans (Feynriel and Slim Couldry are pretty interesting examples as it is), or elf/human couples (or dwarf/elf or Vashoth/elf, for that matter), would be received in any sort of renewed elven society?  Among the elf-blooded it would be quite interesting if, for example, there were some that perhaps wished to take up worship of the elven pantheon alongside the Dalish.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Intentionally weakening the strongest the nation of Thedas while demons are pouring through the Veil seems like the opposite of what the Inquisitor is supposed to be doing. I think the purpose of the Inquisition is to restore order to Thedas because everyone else who could is caught up in something that prevents them from saving the day.

[Master Warder Z_]

I like how you could be a Dalish mage in Awakening, even though it didn't have any effect on the story.

 

 

Why would it?

 

It's a representative of the Wardens; And the First Warden always has and likely will always be guess what? A Human, Having a Token elf in power over a national chapter that happens to be cursed with magic isn't anything beyond a means for the Wardens to begin to repair their rather strained relations with Fereldan even more, Not to mention finish off the remnants of a blight in the Nation.

 

Doesn't impede the storyline overly given that the Wardens recruit every one and their brother who can be a Warden.

 

It doesn't bother me much considering that i look at it this way; Your a Warden first and foremost by that point, Even if people scoffed at having their arling effectively dictated by a distant cousin to humanity such as a Mage or Elf. They were ultimately a warden before they were an elf.

[Master Warder Z_]

Sending an Orlesian mage to Ferelden and having them play the role of the Jarl of Amaranthine is basically a slap in the face to Ferelden.

 

You hate Orlesians? You fear mages and recently had Kinloch Hold overrun with abominations and blood mages? Let's send in an Orlesian mage! Oh, and Dalish elves are resentful towards humans for trying to take away their culture and religion, not to mention that elves are viewed as inferior by many humans, so let's make the Orlesian mage a Dalish elf, too. Just for the lols.

 

Not exactly the best way to repair strained relationships.

 

People do voice an opinion over both of those things, Even the Mage bit as well.

 

I was just pointing that it ultimately doesn't matter considering that the Wardens were there to do a job, it was completed.

 

I would be surprised if the Wardens still had command of the Arling by the time DAI rolls around.

 

Official Power given during a crisis more often then not is retracted in after a crisis.

 

They likely would maintain the vigil given its their boon from the Monarchy but if some one else was handed the Arling it self? Wouldn't be surprised.

 

So some random savage mage running the Arling into the ground for less then a year would probably be a footnote in the history books.

[LobselVith8]

Intentionally weakening the strongest the nation of Thedas while demons are pouring through the Veil seems like the opposite of what the Inquisitor is supposed to be doing. I think the purpose of the Inquisition is to restore order to Thedas because everyone else who could is caught up in something that prevents them from saving the day.

The Inquisition is dealing with the veil tears, not Orlais. If the abhorrent status quo of the elves can be shattered, I'll take the route to improve the plight of the Elvhen, even if it means the imperialist empire that conquered and invaded others for centuries is weakened. I doubt Ferelden will mind their neighbor not being in a position to invade them, as King Alistair mentioned in Kirkwall.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

A strong Orlais is better at combating the hordes of demons rushing through the Veil Tears. Deliberately weakening Orlais would be like deliberately prolonging the Ferelden Civil War during the darkspawn invasion.

[BlueMagitek]

A strong Orlais is better at combating the hordes of demons rushing through the Veil Tears. Deliberately weakening Orlais would be like deliberately prolonging the Ferelden Civil War during the darkspawn invasion.

 

What, haven't you learned by now that it's alright to let people who live in a way you disagree with suffer until they accept your point of view?  </sarcasm>

 

Also, the Warden kind of does prolong the Civil War if he takes the sidequests that harm Loghain's side.

[LobselVith8]

A strong Orlais is better at combating the hordes of demons rushing through the Veil Tears. Deliberately weakening Orlais would be like deliberately prolonging the Ferelden Civil War during the darkspawn invasion.

It's not comparable because Ferelden was standing alone against the Blight, while the Inquisition is dealing with the veil tears, regardless of the status of Orlais' civil war. A weakened Orlais also can't invade Ferelden or subjugate the elves any longer.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Blight would have affected and been fought by other nations soon enough. The only difference between the Blight and the Veil Tears is how quickly they became widespread. You can apply the same logic you apply to Orlais to Ferelden. A devastated and weakened Ferelden can't subjugate elves anymore either. And they do.

 

 

 

Also, the Warden kind of does prolong the Civil War if he takes the sidequests that harm Loghain's side.

 

Yeah but he doesn't deliberately make sure the war goes on as long as possible to make sure that Ferelden was weaker.

[Xilizhra]

The Blight would have affected and been fought by other nations soon enough. The only difference between the Blight and the Veil Tears is how quickly they became widespread. You can apply the same logic you apply to Orlais to Ferelden. A devastated and weakened Ferelden can't subjugate elves anymore either. And they do.

We can't make a decision until we see the game itself, but there was no reliable way to let the Blight help liberate the elves. It's possible that situations will be such in DAI that this won't hold true for the Veil tears.

 

Although...it might be better to, instead of trying to destroy Orlais and the Chantry, to rebuild them as we see fit.

[LobselVith8]

The Blight would have affected and been fought by other nations soon enough. The only difference between the Blight and the Veil Tears is how quickly they became widespread. You can apply the same logic you apply to Orlais to Ferelden. A devastated and weakened Ferelden can't subjugate elves anymore either. And they do.

 

 

 

Yeah but he doesn't deliberately make sure the war goes on as long as possible to make sure that Ferelden was weaker.

 

The difference is that the Inquisition is dealing with the veil tears, not Orlais. You're painting this argument as though Orlais is mandatory towards the resolution of the crisis, and I don't share your viewpoint. In Ferelden, The Warden was gathering allies to deal with the forces of the Archdemon by using the treaty; with the Inquisitor, the Inquisition is dealing with the veil tears, and (based on what the developers have informed us so far) it's up to the protagonist to choose allies and resolve conflicts as the player sees fit.

 

What, haven't you learned by now that it's alright to let people who live in a way you disagree with suffer until they accept your point of view?  </sarcasm>

 

Also, the Warden kind of does prolong the Civil War if he takes the sidequests that harm Loghain's side.

 

I imagine plenty will suffer if Orlais invades Ferelden again, which was brought up by King Alistair and Tegan, and generations of elves will suffer if the status quo is maintained. Many would be spared if Orlais wasn't in a position to invade other nations, or continue a system of servitude that the elven protagonist can condemn as slavery.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ferelden wasn't really "mandatory" in stopping the Blight either. But the Warden's choices were only viable because they contributed to the war effort. They didn't get the chance to wipe out that Dalish tribe just because they hate elves, it was a potentially viable choice because killing them all gave the Warden a werewolf army.

[LobselVith8]

Ferelden wasn't really "mandatory" in stopping the Blight either. But the Warden's choices were only viable because they contributed to the war effort. They didn't get the chance to wipe out that Dalish tribe just because they hate elves, it was a potentially viable choice because killing them all gave the Warden a werewolf army.

 

Just like siding with (a currently hypothetical) elven rebellion, rather than Celene or Gaspard, could an elven army. Perhaps a restored order of the Emerald Knights. I think it would be viable.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

A restored order of Emerald Knights? From a poorly armed, poorly trained group of rag tag elven rebels who can only survive at all because the real armies of Orlais would be fighting amongst themselves? You expect them to field a force like the Dales itself did?

[Spectre slayer]

 

The difference is that the Inquisition is dealing with the veil tears, not Orlais. You're painting this argument as though Orlais is mandatory towards the resolution of the crisis, and I don't share your viewpoint. In Ferelden, The Warden was gathering allies to deal with the forces of the Archdemon by using the treaty; with the Inquisitor, the Inquisition is dealing with the veil tears, and (based on what the developers have informed us so far) it's up to the protagonist to choose allies and resolve conflicts as the player sees fit.

 

 

I imagine plenty will suffer if Orlais invades Ferelden again, which was brought up by King Alistair and Tegan, and generations of elves will suffer if the status quo is maintained. Many would be spared if Orlais wasn't in a position to invade other nations, or continue a system of servitude that the elven protagonist can condemn as slavery.

 

 

Except the devs already confirmed that a majority of story events happen in both Orliais and Fereldan, and if you believe what they say we can decide the fates of nations.

 

And the inquisition isn't just dealing with the veil tear either though that's the overreaching plot.

 

We have to deal with everything the antagonist has caused, civil wars, nation's taking action against other nation's, organizations spitting up and fighting each other and infighting in amoung three factions, mage vs templar war, cultists, the grey wardens and many other things and the tagline is saving the world from itself.

 

And we have to solve all of these, find out who he or she is, why they tore the veil and what it's for, why it succeeded, getting to the bottom of all of their schemes. Also Orliais was mentioned as one of the things we are targeting in the game informer cover story so Orliais should have a fairly important part even if you don't like or agree with it.

[Master Warder Z_]

A restored order of Emerald Knights? From a poorly armed, poorly trained group of rag tag elven rebels who can only survive at all because the real armies of Orlais would be fighting amongst themselves? You expect them to field a force like the Dales itself did?

 

It's improbable in the extreme.

 

@__@ Trust me i know improbabilities.

[LobselVith8]

A restored order of Emerald Knights? From a poorly armed, poorly trained group of rag tag elven rebels who can only survive at all because the real armies of Orlais would be fighting amongst themselves? You expect them to field a force like the Dales itself did?

I don't see any lore stating that the Dalish are poorly armed or poorly trained (and Ariane was able to defeat a templar who threatened the clan, so I highly doubt such an assertion from you), and we have next to no information about the possible rebels from the Alienage.

And what exactly is the point of your post? I get the feeling you're trying to change my mind about preferring to aid the elves over the factions fighting for Orlais. You're not going to persuade me to think that I should want to help a morally abhorrent empire like Orlais (or even the Chantry).