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[N7 Banshee Bait]

 Snap Freeze + Energy Drain against Geth give me constant Cryo Explosions.  I can count on them which makes my strategy & gameplay a million times better.  

  But it only works against Geth. It doesn't work against any of the other factions & the only way I can get Cryo Explosions is if another player activates them. If another play hits my frozen target with Energy Drain I get a Cryo Explosion but if I hit it with ED nothing happens. Did they actually program the game to be this retarded? My Paladin is only useful against Geth.

  I just played Geth gold & it was awesome. I ran around & destroyed everything with Cryo Explosions. Then I played Reaper & Cerberus gold & had to hang back as support. I pretty much only had Snap Freeze. I couldn't do jack **** & got killed instantly as soon as I stuck my head out of cover. NOT FUN!

So I have to ask, WTF???

[FasterThanFTL]

Energy Drain is extra effective against synthetics that is why you get much reliable cryo explosions against Geth, Atlas, Cerberus Turrets.

Also Energy Drain is much better detonator of shields/barriers than health and armor.

Modifié par FasterThanFTL, 23 février 2014 - 08:13 .

[DeadeyeCYclops]

l2 read descriptions. energy drain only detonates IF the target is a synthetic aka geth, and or has shields/barriers. any target with health/armor cannot be detonated with ED. (except turrets & atlases) ED is one of those finicky powers,,,

brought to you by cbs...the more u know...

also speccing the paladin without incinerate is your own downfall... unless you just play him vs geth

Modifié par DeadeyeCYclops78, 23 février 2014 - 08:14 .

[Teh_Ocelot]

I'm not sure but I'm going to say it probably has something to do w/ them being synthetic. I think ED only detonates against synthetic, so Geth, Atlas, etc.


Edit: Energy Drain will only replenish the player's shields when it hits an enemy with barriers/shields or any synthetic enemy. Energy Drain will only prime and detonate combos when used against an organic with shields or barriers, or any synthetic.

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Modifié par Teh_Ocel0t, 23 février 2014 - 08:18 .

[N7 Banshee Bait]

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

l2 read descriptions. energy drain only detonates IF the target is a synthetic aka geth, and or has shields/barriers. any target with health/armor cannot be detonated with ED. (except turrets & atlases) ED is one of those finicky powers,,,

brought to you by cbs...the more u know...

It doesn't do **** against Banshees & they have barriers. And sometimes I can detonate a Husk or Cannibal.


Well, whatever. I'll only use my Paladin against Geth. I love powers you can't rely on.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

N7 Banshee Bait wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

l2 read descriptions. energy drain only detonates IF the target is a synthetic aka geth, and or has shields/barriers. any target with health/armor cannot be detonated with ED. (except turrets & atlases) ED is one of those finicky powers,,,

brought to you by cbs...the more u know...

It doesn't do **** against Banshees & they have barriers. And sometimes I can detonate a Husk or Cannibal.


Well, whatever. I'll only use my Paladin against Geth. I love powers you can't rely on.

Any particular reason you refuse to spec into incinerate?

[Evil]

Try him 66606 if you like to slap enemies with the shield, or 66644 if you don't and you play gold or lower(to cross the 990 shields threshold).

Incinerate is mandatory to make full use of this kit in unknown enemy games, it's better to skip passives or fitness instead.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

You are crippling the guy by skipping Incinerate, and that's just facts. even vs geth. When fighting geth you can snap freeze first, then incinerate for a cryo explosion and then follow it with ED for a incindiary explosion.... by just having SF&ED you are missing out on double tech explosion shennanigans with the paladin.... so l2build b4 you attempt to l2p... simplest explanation . lulz

6/6/6/4/4 is the perfect build for him. max powers, max health, only thing u miss out on is cryo/fireshield and nether are needed tbh.

Modifié par DeadeyeCYclops78, 23 février 2014 - 08:38 .

[Cyonan]

If I remember right, Energy Drain only detonates tech combos if it drain shields/barriers or the target is mechanical. In the case of the Banshee, if she puts up her power blocking barrier then you wont get a detonation even if she still has barriers.

Looking at the code for Energy Drain, the target is primed for a Tech Burst without it bothering to do any sort of checks, so it should be priming even an unshielded organic.


My advice is to take Incinerate as suggested. It makes this guy into a combo master.

Modifié par Cyonan, 23 février 2014 - 08:43 .

[Cyonan]

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

You are crippling the guy by skipping Incinerate, and that's just facts. even vs geth. When fighting geth you can snap freeze first, then incinerate for a cryo explosion and then follow it with ED for a incindiary explosion.... by just having SF&ED you are missing out on double tech explosion shennanigans with the paladin.... so l2build b4 you attempt to l2p... simplest explanation . lulz

6/6/6/4/4 is the perfect build for him. max powers, max health, only thing u miss out on is cryo/fireshield and nether are needed tbh.

You should probably understand the full power of the Fire Shield before dismissing it.

N7 Paladin light melee is among the best melee attacks in the game, and Fire Shield makes it prime for a FE without the need to clutter up your GCD with primers.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

Cyonan wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

You are crippling the guy by skipping Incinerate, and that's just facts. even vs geth. When fighting geth you can snap freeze first, then incinerate for a cryo explosion and then follow it with ED for a incindiary explosion.... by just having SF&ED you are missing out on double tech explosion shennanigans with the paladin.... so l2build b4 you attempt to l2p... simplest explanation . lulz

6/6/6/4/4 is the perfect build for him. max powers, max health, only thing u miss out on is cryo/fireshield and nether are needed tbh.

You should probably understand the full power of the Fire Shield before dismissing it.

N7 Paladin light melee is among the best melee attacks in the game, and Fire Shield makes it prime for a FE without the need to clutter up your GCD with primers.

You should prob understand that my gameplay differs from yours. I do fully understand it, and again it's not needed.

[Cyonan]

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

You are crippling the guy by skipping Incinerate, and that's just facts. even vs geth. When fighting geth you can snap freeze first, then incinerate for a cryo explosion and then follow it with ED for a incindiary explosion.... by just having SF&ED you are missing out on double tech explosion shennanigans with the paladin.... so l2build b4 you attempt to l2p... simplest explanation . lulz

6/6/6/4/4 is the perfect build for him. max powers, max health, only thing u miss out on is cryo/fireshield and nether are needed tbh.

You should probably understand the full power of the Fire Shield before dismissing it.

N7 Paladin light melee is among the best melee attacks in the game, and Fire Shield makes it prime for a FE without the need to clutter up your GCD with primers.

You should prob understand that my gameplay differs from yours. I do fully understand it, and again it's not needed.

To be honest a lot of stuff on the N7 Paladin isn't "needed". I've run him with great effectiveness as 0/6/6/6/6 and 6/0/6/6/6 before so I'd say that Energy Drain or Incinerate aren't "needed" either.

All I'm saying is that Fire Shield shouldn't be so quickly dismissed, as it is extremely powerful.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

Cyonan wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

You are crippling the guy by skipping Incinerate, and that's just facts. even vs geth. When fighting geth you can snap freeze first, then incinerate for a cryo explosion and then follow it with ED for a incindiary explosion.... by just having SF&ED you are missing out on double tech explosion shennanigans with the paladin.... so l2build b4 you attempt to l2p... simplest explanation . lulz

6/6/6/4/4 is the perfect build for him. max powers, max health, only thing u miss out on is cryo/fireshield and nether are needed tbh.

You should probably understand the full power of the Fire Shield before dismissing it.

N7 Paladin light melee is among the best melee attacks in the game, and Fire Shield makes it prime for a FE without the need to clutter up your GCD with primers.

You should prob understand that my gameplay differs from yours. I do fully understand it, and again it's not needed.

To be honest a lot of stuff on the N7 Paladin isn't "needed". I've run him with great effectiveness as 0/6/6/6/6 and 6/0/6/6/6 before so I'd say that Energy Drain or Incinerate aren't "needed" either.

All I'm saying is that Fire Shield shouldn't be so quickly dismissed, as it is extremely powerful.

If you wanna run him as a melee build that's fine, but i just don't see the point in it... tech explosions  via powers or tech explosions via priming with the shield. I can use incinerate at range, I  can't use fire shield at range to me that makes incinerate better... it's just matter of opinion and playstyle

[Stillsean]

N7 Banshee Bait wrote...

 Snap Freeze + Energy Drain against Geth give me constant Cryo Explosions.  I can count on them which makes my strategy & gameplay a million times better.  

  But it only works against Geth. It doesn't work against any of the other factions & the only way I can get Cryo Explosions is if another player activates them. If another play hits my frozen target with Energy Drain I get a Cryo Explosion but if I hit it with ED nothing happens. Did they actually program the game to be this retarded? My Paladin is only useful against Geth.

  I just played Geth gold & it was awesome. I ran around & destroyed everything with Cryo Explosions. Then I played Reaper & Cerberus gold & had to hang back as support. I pretty much only had Snap Freeze. I couldn't do jack **** & got killed instantly as soon as I stuck my head out of cover. NOT FUN!

So I have to ask, WTF???

This is me Paladin this is my recipe for an all round cryo explosion on all factions. Like other posts, Ed+Sf on shield and barriers...Incinerate+Sf on armour.... fire shield+Sf on enemies that get too close.  Have fun.

Modifié par Stillsean, 23 février 2014 - 09:19 .

[Tybo]

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

You are crippling the guy by skipping Incinerate, and that's just facts. even vs geth. When fighting geth you can snap freeze first, then incinerate for a cryo explosion and then follow it with ED for a incindiary explosion.... by just having SF&ED you are missing out on double tech explosion shennanigans with the paladin.... so l2build b4 you attempt to l2p... simplest explanation . lulz

6/6/6/4/4 is the perfect build for him. max powers, max health, only thing u miss out on is cryo/fireshield and nether are needed tbh.

You should probably understand the full power of the Fire Shield before dismissing it.

N7 Paladin light melee is among the best melee attacks in the game, and Fire Shield makes it prime for a FE without the need to clutter up your GCD with primers.

You should prob understand that my gameplay differs from yours. I do fully understand it, and again it's not needed.

To be honest a lot of stuff on the N7 Paladin isn't "needed". I've run him with great effectiveness as 0/6/6/6/6 and 6/0/6/6/6 before so I'd say that Energy Drain or Incinerate aren't "needed" either.

All I'm saying is that Fire Shield shouldn't be so quickly dismissed, as it is extremely powerful.

If you wanna run him as a melee build that's fine, but i just don't see the point in it... tech explosions  via powers or tech explosions via priming with the shield. I can use incinerate at range, I  can't use fire shield at range to me that makes incinerate better... it's just matter of opinion and playstyle

You may not need fire shield for your play style, but you would do better if you learned to use it.  6/6/6/4/4 is definitely not "the perfect build for him"

Without fire shield you can't do things like this 

Melee is incredible on the paladin as it also functions as an animation cancel.  Since you should be meleeing anyway to animation cancel your powers, you're best off speccing into fire shield to improve the melee performance.

Modifié par tyhw, 23 février 2014 - 09:47 .

[Deerber]

Melee paladin is the only true paladin.

[bondiboy]

 ^^^ As above His Sheild is what makes him fun and unique . Bash everything .
Cryo sheild bugged so go with Fire Sheild .
Every enemy can be hit with a Cryo explosion if you have ED and Incinerate so you need both to get the most out of the Paladin. One of the only kits that I have with a no passives build.

Modifié par stricko, 23 février 2014 - 10:32 .

[Vrin]

Snap freeze. + energy drain against anything with shields, barrier and Geth at all times = cryogenic explosion
Snap freeze + incinerate against anything with armor or health = cryogenic explosion 

Modifié par Vrin, 24 février 2014 - 02:17 .

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

As everyone has said already, energy drain will detonate snap freeze on synthetic targets and any organic with shields/barriers. I like the fire shield on him cause the initial melee damage combined with the fire dot, will ensure they don't survive. I run him without incinerate just fine. He is the ultimate comboing machine no matter how you spec him.

[ImDedicatedToMyApologies]

yes n7 paladin is bugged. I cant detonate snap freeze w/ incinerate either and snap freeze would detonate from urself instead of the target.

Modifié par U H E, 24 février 2014 - 04:40 .

[FuriousFelicia]

Shield is great, incinerate is great, ED is great. Bashing husks or abombs with shield and detonating mid air is great. SF+incinerate+ED is great. Paladin is great.

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Which is bugged to always be active regardless of where your points are placed?
Incinerates cryo combo?
Or
Snap freezes tech combo?

Also what is the best way to spec these ranks? Better damage for choosing incinerates cryo damage or it's armour damage?

[Alfonsedode]

Deerber wrote...

Melee paladin is the only true paladin.

Agreed, and now, i am thinking soloing gold without any weapon

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I have yet to be successful with a Paladin build that specs into Energy Drain (with the exception of when I happen to be fighting Geth.)

I keep trying different ways of doing it, but I just can't get Energy Drain to work for me. My most successful builds have been when I spec out of it completely.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 24 février 2014 - 04:58 .

[Alfonsedode]

ROBOTICSUPERMAN wrote...

Which is bugged to always be active regardless of where your points are placed?
Incinerates cryo combo?
Or
Snap freezes tech combo?

Also what is the best way to spec these ranks? Better damage for choosing incinerates cryo damage or it's armour damage?

You r probably referring to SF 6b which does nothing. SF4b reach gives you double damage CE primed by SF though.

Cryo evo of Incinerate is only bugged on health (defense), which is not a real problem, cause frozen + inci = quick death anyway