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[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...

The one Gwydden mentioned.

I should probably mention that by "humans," I mostly mean Orlais. But it mostly comes from a very strong dislike of the idea that nonhumans are in inexorable decline.

In case my post came across as human supremacist, I'll just say I was referring to how things look right now. I'd actually like if the situation of elves and dwarves could be improved, and my first/main Inquisitor (human, by the way) will probably aim for that. There is enough racism and ideas of ethnic superiority in Thedas (not just from humans, but from every one of the four races) without feeding the fires.

What I personally favor is integration, not genocide nor enslavement of any group. Not the elves, and not the Orlesians.

[Seboist]

General TSAR wrote...

What's the appeal of humans? Humans are the superior species.

Simple as that.

+1

We're the apex race in the DA world much like in our own.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I'm still bummed we don't get to be a Mabari.

Actually, We play as a Mabari Mage, yup a mabari mage, who has finally, after a long and exhaustive training mastered the secret of shapeshifting.
And now can transform into a ..... Nug !

But, getting back to the point , I am not at all appealed by a Human PC, simply because almost everyone else is,

I don't like things that are ..Hip

That is why I live in a cave

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Seboist wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

What's the appeal of humans? Humans are the superior species.

Simple as that.

+1

We're the apex race in the DA world much like in our own.

While I can't argue that we are the apex species in the real world ,

I would like to debate you on the point that humans are apex race in DA, 

How do you mean that humans are the most advanced, because Qunari Technology pwns Humans'
And humans are not even biologically superior to any other race, Elves used to immortal (or so I've read)

Care to back that up with any fact, other than Humans are the most

In which case Indians and Chinese are THE BOSS  of the entire world, which isn't exactly the case, is it

Modifié par Loghain Mac-Tir, 24 février 2014 - 02:52 .

[General TSAR]

[quote]Loghain Mac-Tir wrote...
How do you mean that humans are the most advanced, because Qunari Technology pwns Humans'[/quote]
Who drove who out from the mainland again?
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And humans are not even biologically superior to any other race,
[/quote]
That's why offspring from Elf-Human pairing are always biologically human.
[quote]
Elves used to immortal (or so I've read)
[/quote]
Elves lie out their tree-hugging arses, they used blood magic.
[quote]
Care to back that up with any fact, [quote]
Humans came, humans saw, and humans conquered.

Not to mention humans are the most well rounded species on Thedas thus the most dominant. 

[Neon Rising Winter]

Not DA specific, but my usual race decision making process involves selecting one I've never played before wherever possible. Tends to favour setting specific races obviously.

Like people have said above, humans are often the standard dominant race option. Having seen it done so many times before they rarely stand out to me when they're in that mould. They do become a bit more appealing when someone has made theirs different.

[Melca36]

ElementalFury106 wrote...

So something that has been on my mind since Origins (and Mass Effect, I guess) is the appeal of a human PC. Personally, I try to experience practically every other race besides a human first when I play these games. Why? I could give you several answers, but in short, probably because I am human myself and enjoy seeing/experiencing different perspectives, not matter how gritty or different.

Yet it seems the majority of players defer to their own race and choose humans in these fantasy worlds. I don't have direct evidence, but I read somewhere that the ratio of people who played humans in comparsion to elves or dwarves in DA:O was 80:20. That blew my mind honestly, considering my different idealogy of this topic.

In the end, it never really matters to me because I always end up playing as every race/class available. I enjoy getting every playthrough/scenario in my games.

Even in Mass Effect I longed to play as an Asari, Turian, Salarian, or Krogan. Anything but a human. When it was announced that I could do that in ME3 multiplayer I was quite excited. As soon as I got my initial Asari/Salarian/Turian/Krogans unlocked, I didn't go back to playing humans for a LONG time.

It seems with Inquisition, even though we are getting a new playable race (Qunari), a lot of people are still going make their first/main inquisitor a human. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering it myself. So my question and the discussion I want to have here is: in your opinion what is the appeal of playing as a Human PC?

Is it because you yourself are human? Because humans are the most populated in Thedas? Because humans face the least amount of social prejudice? Because humans can play as any class? Because the human religion of the Maker and its chantry is most comparable to Christianity?

Share and discuss. Remember to always respect each other's opinions regardless if they are not similar to your own.

I have played EVERY race in Origins and enjoyed every experience I've had. I plan to do the SAME for Inquisition.


That said...I lean toward playing humans and dwarves primarily because I play ALOT of elves in other games. I am BURNT out on elves.

I play what makes me feel comfortable.   People play the way it makes them feel the most comfortable.

I really can't understand how difficult for people to understand.

Also its become trendy and popular to bash humans as of late. I go by the beat of my own drum. I am not a follower.

[ElementalFury106]

Klystron wrote...

Navasha wrote...

It boils down to how people perceive a character in an RPG.

A large majority of people project themselves AS the character onscreen. These people will generally pick human and will almost always be of the same gender. They will typically also act as if it were themselves making the decisions.

The other group of people generally view the character as a separate and unique individual from themselves, much like a favorite character in a book. Exotic characters are generally favored, so anything not human will be preferable. These people also tend to choose the opposite gender from themselves as people tend to want to follow characters that are attractive to them.

There are other groups and reasons for each, of course, and this isn't meant to cover 100% of everyone, but it fits the vast majority of players out there.

I usually play as "myself" the first time through, and then play eccentric or colorful characters the next playthroughs. 
But I will especially start as human if there are a lot of racial politics involved, and another race would be hard to roleplay properly until I'm more familiar with the culture. 

edit:
Also I usually prefer mages, which means no dwarf, and the elves in DA:O just looked too scrawny. 
My second playthrough is usually in the race with the best-looking females. 

Wooooord. Same here. Always myself the first playthrough (not race-wise, but personality wise) and always accepting varied roles for future playthroughs. Gets me so immersed

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Actually If I remember correctly, it was the Qunari who landed in Thedas (I can't remember the name, Seheron or something) and drove the Tevinter or someone else , I don't really remember that well, but it was the Qunari who did the driving back

And they fought the entire Continent on a stand still, including the Tevinter, who IIRC had to ally themselves with all the other nations of Thedas. Now you have to admit that is some badass stuff.

Now elves are little girls who despite being Immortal (or so they say) got themselves enslaved.

And while it is true that Human-Elvish child will always be human but that only proves that Humans have dominant genes, but if you ask me I'd take Immortality over dudes who'll have same species offspring

Modifié par Loghain Mac-Tir, 24 février 2014 - 03:21 .

[ElementalFury106]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Personally, I'm the opposite. Only about 20% of my Origins playthroughs were playing as a human.

Same here. I did 3 human playthroughs in Origins, one for each class (Male warrior and mage, Female rogue). I did about 7 other playthroughs with elves and dwarves. I know that's not exactly 20%, but you get what I'm saying.

[ElementalFury106]

Melca36 wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...

So something that has been on my mind since Origins (and Mass Effect, I guess) is the appeal of a human PC. Personally, I try to experience practically every other race besides a human first when I play these games. Why? I could give you several answers, but in short, probably because I am human myself and enjoy seeing/experiencing different perspectives, not matter how gritty or different.

Yet it seems the majority of players defer to their own race and choose humans in these fantasy worlds. I don't have direct evidence, but I read somewhere that the ratio of people who played humans in comparsion to elves or dwarves in DA:O was 80:20. That blew my mind honestly, considering my different idealogy of this topic.

In the end, it never really matters to me because I always end up playing as every race/class available. I enjoy getting every playthrough/scenario in my games.

Even in Mass Effect I longed to play as an Asari, Turian, Salarian, or Krogan. Anything but a human. When it was announced that I could do that in ME3 multiplayer I was quite excited. As soon as I got my initial Asari/Salarian/Turian/Krogans unlocked, I didn't go back to playing humans for a LONG time.

It seems with Inquisition, even though we are getting a new playable race (Qunari), a lot of people are still going make their first/main inquisitor a human. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering it myself. So my question and the discussion I want to have here is: in your opinion what is the appeal of playing as a Human PC?

Is it because you yourself are human? Because humans are the most populated in Thedas? Because humans face the least amount of social prejudice? Because humans can play as any class? Because the human religion of the Maker and its chantry is most comparable to Christianity?

Share and discuss. Remember to always respect each other's opinions regardless if they are not similar to your own.

I have played EVERY race in Origins and enjoyed every experience I've had. I plan to do the SAME for Inquisition.


That said...I lean toward playing humans and dwarves primarily because I play ALOT of elves in other games. I am BURNT out on elves.

I play what makes me feel comfortable.   People play the way it makes them feel the most comfortable.

I really can't understand how difficult for people to understand.

Also its become trendy and popular to bash humans as of late. I go by the beat of my own drum. I am not a follower.

Mind your words, it's not that we don't understand. we, or at least myself personally, just wants to get other people's perspectives, since a lot of them differ from my own.

[CybAnt1]

There is something to be said for humans.

After all, they created Humanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

Also in WoW, they get nice racial abilities.

Most notably, the Human Spirit.
http://www.wowwiki.c...he_Human_Spirit

Does any other race have a human spirit? I didn't think so. Neither did they create humanism.

Case closed. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 24 février 2014 - 03:23 .

[Melca36]

ElementalFury106 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

ElementalFury106 wrote...

So something that has been on my mind since Origins (and Mass Effect, I guess) is the appeal of a human PC. Personally, I try to experience practically every other race besides a human first when I play these games. Why? I could give you several answers, but in short, probably because I am human myself and enjoy seeing/experiencing different perspectives, not matter how gritty or different.

Yet it seems the majority of players defer to their own race and choose humans in these fantasy worlds. I don't have direct evidence, but I read somewhere that the ratio of people who played humans in comparsion to elves or dwarves in DA:O was 80:20. That blew my mind honestly, considering my different idealogy of this topic.

In the end, it never really matters to me because I always end up playing as every race/class available. I enjoy getting every playthrough/scenario in my games.

Even in Mass Effect I longed to play as an Asari, Turian, Salarian, or Krogan. Anything but a human. When it was announced that I could do that in ME3 multiplayer I was quite excited. As soon as I got my initial Asari/Salarian/Turian/Krogans unlocked, I didn't go back to playing humans for a LONG time.

It seems with Inquisition, even though we are getting a new playable race (Qunari), a lot of people are still going make their first/main inquisitor a human. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering it myself. So my question and the discussion I want to have here is: in your opinion what is the appeal of playing as a Human PC?

Is it because you yourself are human? Because humans are the most populated in Thedas? Because humans face the least amount of social prejudice? Because humans can play as any class? Because the human religion of the Maker and its chantry is most comparable to Christianity?

Share and discuss. Remember to always respect each other's opinions regardless if they are not similar to your own.

I have played EVERY race in Origins and enjoyed every experience I've had. I plan to do the SAME for Inquisition.


That said...I lean toward playing humans and dwarves primarily because I play ALOT of elves in other games. I am BURNT out on elves.

I play what makes me feel comfortable.   People play the way it makes them feel the most comfortable.

I really can't understand how difficult for people to understand.

Also its become trendy and popular to bash humans as of late. I go by the beat of my own drum. I am not a follower.

Mind your words, it's not that we don't understand. we, or at least myself personally, just wants to get other people's perspectives, since a lot of them differ from my own.

My perspective is that I played enough elves in WOW and LOTR to last me a lifetime.  As for my preference in Dragon Age... I would chose the city elves over the Dalish.  

I just happen to enjoy playing humans.  I have the imagination to play them in this game and I tend to roll my eyes when people say they find them boring.

[ElementalFury106]

@Melca36 true enough. I know I certainly don't find them "boring", but I'd still rather play other characters, at least at first. Just my preference.

[Klystron]

CybAnt1 wrote...

There is something to be said for humans.

After all, they created Humanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

Also in WoW, they get nice racial abilities.

Most notably, the Human Spirit.
http://www.wowwiki.c...he_Human_Spirit

Does any other race have a human spirit? I didn't think so. Neither did they create humanism.

Case closed. 

"Oh, the humanity!"  

Up through NWN2, humans got an extra feat an an extra skill per level.  I always felt like playing other races was a sacrifice. 

[JeffZero]

I play humans because I am a human. There's a certain bond there.

[addiction21]

It is something familiar that anyone can relate to. The same reasons many want to know they can play their own real life gender.

[CybAnt1]

You know, I don't always play human. But when I do, it's the most interesting human in the world.

[Xilizhra]

And this is the fault of a species on the basis of being a species because...?

I'm experimenting with the possibility of characters doing things that don't match my own morality, assuming any sort of evil path would involve things that were fun for me.

[Nightdragon8]

Honestly, here is why Human was picked first for DA:O, Its a new game that has never been played before. So what is the most "Vanilla" race you can pick to find out what the world was about. Well that would be human noble, Warrior or Rogue. Mage let you effectivly start off as the Mage 'race" as it where considering how they where/are treated.

So what alot of people probably did was played as a human first then did the "orgins" stories of the other races to see the difference.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

JeffZero wrote...

I play humans because I am a human. There's a certain bond there.

Humans are a blight on galactic purity , you sir, you are a blight .

[Nefla]

For me, the only appeal to playing human is to see the differences after playing the other races. Humans in DA are the closest to our familiar modern North American and medieval European societies, they are the default, the privileged, basically if there was a racial equivalent of upper middle-upper class straight white male in DA it would be humans. This makes humans uninteresting to me. The other races all have interesting cultures and history, humans have modified versions of real world history/societies.

Some people will only play as what they are in real life. That means only human, only their real gender, only their real world ethnicity, etc...This is boring to me. I play games to get away from my boring reality. I want to experience new perspectives abilities, cultures, and even physical appearance. You see people saying "I play human because I'm human" but no one is a mage or warrior or a hero of any sort in real life. You never see people saying "screw heroism and combat, I want to play as a shopkeeper because I work in retail in real life and I can only be like my real self!"

[CybAnt1]

There is a real life superhero movement.

Of course, they don't have "real" superpowers, but neither did/does Batman.

Phoenix Jones



He doesn't just do this for kicks on Halloween; he really runs around in that outfit, "fighting crime." 

And, BTW, apparently some were doing this even before the movies Kick-Ass and Kick-Ass 2.

(P.S. some consider them vigilantes. This is a big theme in the Watchmen comics, where the government actually passes a law banning superheroes.)

Modifié par CybAnt1, 24 février 2014 - 06:21 .

[superdeathdealer14]

Human master race.

[9TailsFox]

HiroVoid wrote...

People play as what they can relate to. People are human, so they generally want to play as a human. Similar reasons why males usually play male characters and females usually play female characters.

This. The only reason.Of Course there are exceptions I play origin 6 times 5 humans 1 elf. Don't remember why elf. And there is only two exception I pick other then human if I have lizard race or second favorite Orcs.