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[Brass_Buckles]

Was just having a silly discussion with some people about how gender-swapping certain ME characters might make them even more awesome.

In particular, I thought Garrus would have made a fantastic woman. --Don't give me those funny looks.  All you'd have to do is swap his gender, and suddenly you have an eventually semi-heroic badass of a woman.  No personality change needed.  He could even have still had that hot night with that one female turian scout.  (Or gender-swap that to a male, if you prefer.)  He might not have been romanceable as a woman, but it'd be very difficult to argue he wouldn't have made for an interesting lady, and broken a lot of stereotypes in the process.

While I'm on that line of thought, asari are only female (monogendered doesn't mean sexless or genderless!), but Liara would have made a very adorable young man in the first game.  Soft-spoken, fascinated by history, and having a bit of a crush on Shepard (male or female).  Men like that--sort of shy and awkward and sweet--do exist.  Kaidan seems to be an attempt at making that type of guy, but gender-swap Liara and you'd have it dead-on.  And she would have been an interesting guy, possibly more so than Kaidan since we knew more about her interests in ME1.

Mordin would have been a great woman.  A retired Dalatrass, unable to clutch any longer, she would have had a lifelong fascination for science and engineering.  Sure, we already have Tali being fascinated by machinery and computers, but add in Mordin's passion for science, and make him into a woman who's not considered attractive by most folks, and you have something truly unique.  And her former status would account for some of the stuck-up behavior that Joker accuses Mordin of at one point.

Anyone else want to give this silly conversation a try?  Who do you think would work well gender-swapped, and why?  Would they break stereotypes?  Would they do anything differently in your opinion?  Would their story lose something, or gain something?  And let's not base this on how attracted or not you are to that character--or if you do, then think about how it might be if, them being the opposite gender, you were NOT attracted to them (assuming you aren't bisexual, in which case you would probably still find them attractive).  Would you react the same to their personality?

Have fun with it, and let's not get into any arguments about others' opinions, shall we?

[Lady Sif]

I think Grunt would have been interesting as a female Krogan. A purebred tank-bred Krogan with memories that didn't stick trying to figure out who she is and what her role is as a Krogan. Other than Grunt I like your ideas too especially Liara and Mordin. I also think Hackett as a woman would have been neat. A strong female military leader with an at all costs attitude.

[Brass_Buckles]

Anderson as a mother figure instead of a father figure. That could have been interesting...

[Lady Sif]

 Yeah that would have been interesting. Thane as a female Drell assassin could have been interesting too, or at least I think it could have been. Maybe have the Illusive Man as a woman too. Have her pulling all the strings and manipulating Shpeard. I really like the sound of the Illusive Woman too 

[AlexMBrennan]

All you'd have to do is swap his gender, and suddenly you have an eventually semi-heroic badass of a woman. No personality change needed.

Wow, if you gender-swap a man you get a woman... who'd have thought.

and broken a lot of stereotypes in the process.

So, you're saying that female stereotypes are not stereotypes for men? Looks like Captain Obvious is on a roll.

[Derpy]

Female Legion or GTFO.

[DextroDNA]

TIL you people REALLY like female characters.

The idea of a female Anderson, female Hackett and female Illusive Man are just ridiculous.

Modifié par RussianZombeh, 24 février 2014 - 03:22 .

[Derpy]

RussianZombeh wrote...

TIL you people REALLY like female characters.

The idea of a female Anderson, female Hackett and female Illusive Man are just ridiculous.

But a male tali would be scary as **** too.

[DextroDNA]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

TIL you people REALLY like female characters.

The idea of a female Anderson, female Hackett and female Illusive Man are just ridiculous.

But a male tali would be scary as **** too.

Which is why I would never suggest something like that.

But a female Garrus, would be pretty cool. Best friend and/or romance for Maleshep.

[Derpy]

RussianZombeh wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

TIL you people REALLY like female characters.

The idea of a female Anderson, female Hackett and female Illusive Man are just ridiculous.

But a male tali would be scary as **** too.

Which is why I would never suggest something like that.

But a female Garrus, would be pretty cool. Best friend and/or romance for Maleshep.

Male tali would probably smoke weed all the time and always be high.

Female Legion would be the sexiest LI.

Male Liara would be a ****.

Male Ashley wouldn't be any different as Ashley acts like a man.

Female James would be a lesbian.

Female Cortez would be scary.

Female Joker would be a fail.

Female Garrus would have flexibility.

Female Grunt would be EPIC.

Female Wrex would be...

Female Kal'Reegar would be ****ing scary.

Female Zaeed would be weird.

I have no idea what the rest would be like.

[SwobyJ]

Sovereign as female.

Wait.

[mhmbaSR1]

haha, very entertaining idea.

 

while I don't really think I would want the gender of most of the people you have listed changed, I would have loved to have had grunt be a female. I mean me2 would have been the perfect opportunity. okere could have decided the gender of the krogan anyway, so why not try to make it a female? it would have been a nice lore extension, a great character, and who doesn't want a female krogan who is a walking tank?

[Brass_Buckles]

haha, very entertaining idea.

 

while I don't really think I would want the gender of most of the people you have listed changed, I would have loved to have had grunt be a female. I mean me2 would have been the perfect opportunity. okere could have decided the gender of the krogan anyway, so why not try to make it a female? it would have been a nice lore extension, a great character, and who doesn't want a female krogan who is a walking tank?

Hm, actually that's a great point.  While Grunt is presented as very masculine, why would Okir not have wanted to make a female, fertile, krogan who was also his idea of "perfection?"  If she became like that one female krogan warlord, then she'd be the perfect way to advance that idea of the "perfect krogan" as only the best possible suitors would have been able to produce any offspring with her.  Hm.

 

EliteBrit:  As for "female Hackett or Anderson" ... why are these ridiculous? Give a reasoned argument why it couldn't work, instead of brushing the idea aside by saying it's ridiculous.  Those roles--in game at least--do not, up until ME3 with Anderson, include anything romantically oriented, or anything at all that would need to change because of the character's gender.  Yes, Anderson had a relationship with a woman, in the books before ME3, and in ME3--and a woman could still romance a woman, or his love interest could be changed to a male within the same role (A man who is a teacher!).  But from what we saw in the games, he would have worked exactly just as well as a woman.  Not only can (and do) women become effective military leaders in the real world, but in the setting of Mass Effect it is a lot more common than in the real world.  Hackett has absolutely nothing about him, that I have seen in either the books or the games, that would not allow a woman to take his place.  I don't even remember him having a romantic interest.  I am not saying they SHOULD have been made female, especially not both of them, I'm only saying that they would certainly have worked as such.  I'm also going to offer up the opinion that changing one of them (not both) to a woman would have been awesome because we'd have a bit more balanced cast as a result.

 

Putting women into stereotypically male roles does break stereotypes because you don't normally see women in those stereotypically male roles (vigilante, soldier, scientist).  Just because it is a stereotype for one gender, doesn't make it so for the other.  Eliminating the stereotypes altogether would be better, but if we can't or don't or won't do that, then at least swap up the genders equally within those stereotypes.

 

Back on topic:  Kaidan as a woman wouldn't really break stereotypes or change much, and Ashley would, as another poster pointed out, make basically a pretty typical male character.

 

If you changed Miranda, though, you'd have to change her story and character, since a lot of it does hinge around her being a woman, specifically "the perfect woman"--which is kind of creepy when you consider she's her father's idea of the perfect woman and that her "perfection" is physical.

 

Tali could have been your cute little teenaged brother figure in ME1.  She would definitely have worked as an enthusiastic young boy, though those who romanced her might think that's weird.  There's also nothing, even her "daddy's girl" attitude in ME2 onward, that would make it problematic for her to be male--remember that for both Garrus and Tali, romance options were added in ME2 due to popular demand.  That never had to happen (I'm also not arguing that it shouldn't--after all I did play the Garrus romance repeatedly--just saying that, were their genders reversed MORE THAN LIKELY neither would have been romanceable).

 

To the ones who said I swapped more to female, it's frankly because there are more males in your immediate vicinity in ME than there are females--most of your crew whom you can actually speak to are male.  Female porn-addicted Joker?  Yes.  It would be hilarious.  Male EDI?  Wouldn't really change much, would it?  Except that Male-Joker probably wouldn't have wanted to date a male robot, EDI could certainly be male.  It's not like, up until her questline in ME3, she even has a physical body.  Female Gardner? Probably not as funny because there'd be concerns over sticking a female in a cooking-and-cleaning role, even if it might be hilarious that she's not actually GOOD at it.  Male Kelly?  People's reaction to his dance might have been entertaining, and  we'd probably still have scale itch jokes about him.  Not sure, other than that, how people would react to him as opposed to Kelly as she is.  Kelly gets a lot of flak for her perceived promiscuity, so I wonder if that would change if she were a man.

 

Male Jack would have been a fairly standard punk.  And in keeping with the straps-as-shirt, he'd probably be running around in almost no clothing at all to achieve the same effect (a topless man doesn't really tend to get the same reaction, so it'd have to be more extreme).  The hints at rape in Male-Jack's backgrounds would have been noticed more than they were as a female, I think, which may not have been a bad thing--it kind of gets glossed over by a lot of people, I think, and maybe Male-Jack would have gotten more sympathy.  Other than that though... personalitywise, there'd be no reason for Jack to change.  The problem with changing Jack to a male, though, is, suddenly you've got a stereotypical male punk antihero.  You'd also have to give him a typically female name, to keep the surprise of Jack not being the gender you expected.

[SuperStarSpectre]

I think the first thing you need to get a hold of is that gender is fluid and that it isn't 'weird' if someone was a different gender than what they are presenting as in game.

 

A male Ashley would be a very clean cut soldier; clean shaven, down to the wire on all regulations. Tall, fit but not overly bulky. The prejudice against the Williams' would still be just as strong (Look at the male members of her family, still held back, no matter the gender). it'd be great to see him introduced in phoenix armour. 

 

A male Miranda would have similar traits -- though I do agree with the thoughts on Henry Lawson and his idea of a 'perfect human specimen' (Hello Freudian psychology) -- but he'd still be pushed to be the best he could be by his father, abused emotionally and mentally growing up given the whole 'My father tried to break me' line. It would be an interesting dynamic if Oriana was still female, and he was a very protective older brother as well. 

 

I would have loved to see Thane as female though. Sleek and skilled drell assassin -- also for the fact we never got to even see female drell (nor elcor, nor vorcha, nor batarian....). Different conflict between Thane and Kolyat; mother and son...

 

It's an interesting topic to think about, but I think people just need to open your minds to it and not be so ... black and white. Be a little more grey.

[The Don's Hound]

Reckon they're fine as is. 

[spirosz]

Imagine this place if Liara was a male. 

[Han Shot First]

Female Jacob would have been glorious.

 

Imagine a female LI with a similar character arc? That ME3 reveal would have been hilarious. The forums would have burned with epic nerd rage.

[Rosstoration]

Mass Effect needs it's own Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

 Yeah that would have been interesting. Thane as a female Drell assassin could have been interesting too, or at least I think it could have been. Maybe have the Illusive Man as a woman too. Have her pulling all the strings and manipulating Shpeard. I really like the sound of the Illusive Woman too 

 

That would make my name useless

 

And my avatar too, OP

 

hahaha.

 

Anyways, seriously on that:

 

That would be a very good idea. It would be nice to see how ME Trilogy is played with swapped Gender characters