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[AnAverageGamer]

1. If you want to blame someone, you can blame me since I led the development of the new social.bw and forum.bw sites. 
2. Many of our users like it, and websites like Google, Facebook, Wikipedia and Twitter all use white as prominent backgrounds. I'm happy offer an alternative and implement a darker skin for users with that preference, but it's definitely not out of the ordinary for sites (including many modern forums) to use light colors in web design. 
3. Please, consider rephrasing your future comments more politely.

Not to be a jerk or anything, but I think the white is opposed because Bioware.old was so dark. The shift from a dark setting to this intense whiteness a rather drastic change. Bungie's forums went through a similar change recently (updated their forums and went from a very dark style to something not so dissimilar to this) and had a bunch of people requesting a darker theme there as well.

 

Not crapping on your work or anything. This is still a good forum despite its bugs. No software is ever without issues (I just started a job in software development a few months ago, so I can at least partially relate).

[Jessica Merizan]

Hey guys, 
I am definitely not upset about constructive criticism. I just wanted to remind that politeness is appreciated, and I think for the most part, everyone has been very patient and courteous about communicating their feedback and requests for features and improvements. This is a site for you and for us, so I want to make everyone (that's never completely possible, but as much as I can) happy.

 

Thank you vania z, we are looking into implementing something along those lines to compliment the darker alternate skin (and possibly just as a stand alone for people who still want the lighter foreground but might want a darker background). 

 

MittelBienchen2, I'm glad that the increase in font (and likely the slight darkening from white to light grey) has made your experience better and you are reconsidering the current design.

 

Sanunes, it's totally ok if you can't always articulate why you don't like something Sometimes it's enough to say "I can't tell you exactly why, but I know this doesn't feel right to me and it negatively affects my experience." I have professionals and experts who are here to tell me why you might be feeling the way you are, and based on my own experience, I have some ideas too. 

What a lot of people out there won't do is admit when something isn't perfect. That's not the case here. Everything is a learning experience and I believe that fandom is a two-way street. You guys make game development possible, so it's up to us to make your time with us a great one. We won't always agree, and I won't always give you what you want... but I will always work with you when I can and admit when I'm not perfect

[LPPrince]

^can someone get her a raise? kthx

[mad825]

1. ....

2. ... websites like Google, Facebook, Wikipedia and Twitter all use white as prominent backgrounds. .....but it's definitely not out of the ordinary for sites (including many modern forums) to use light colors in web design. 

3. ...

So initially you just copied other websites. It's not really a good excuse to overlook a design issue just because others are doing it. Having a black text on a white background isn't new and was part of the original design for the first ever website (W3C) on the interwebz. The colour white is the programmers' overuse of INT.

 

Most modern forums, specifically popular gaming forums use darker schemes like;

• Steam Powered User Discussions(SPUD)/steam powered user forums(SPUF).
• Ubisoft
• Eidos (more darker custom skins)
• telltale
• lionhead
• Bethsda
• 2K
• Blizzard (battle.net)
• Nexus mods
• civfanatics

I could go on. Not even to mention the Bioware blog doesn't use a light scheme. The one that don't at least prodive diffrent kinds of white other than white snow.

[LPPrince]

So initially you just copied other websites.

 

Not copied, but inspired.

 

And she's got a point. I've got...five windows open, one of which with thirteen tabs, one of those tabs taken up by these forums. Lemme count color schemes as they are this second

 

White- 8

Black- 2

Yellow- 1

Green- 4

Blue- 2

 

There is something different about this place though as compared to the other websites I'm looking at with white backgrounds. I think(since I'm not sure) its because this place is a place for discussion and quite a lot of it(clearly) that eye strain is more likely to happen, as compared to another site that I might just pass by to check on something.

 

Its not the first time I've wanted a site with a white foreground or background to change things up. I hate that Youtube doesn't have an integrated "lights off" feature to surround its videos in darkness unless I decide to full screen it to get rid of the white. Other websites using white have enough other things going on around and with their pages that you don't spend too much time looking at such a bright space. In this case though, as is the purpose of the forum, we're gonna be focused on the foreground, and for whatever reason, it hurts here more than it usually does in other places.

 

So of course, Bioware throws(will throw) in a toggle.

 

Win/win, since the white is apparently top notch for mobile users, going by JeffZero's account.

[jakenou]

Thanks to custom scripts facilitated by the screwball and Liraindon, this is what the new BioWare forums look like for me on Firefox:

 

 

jelly? no need!

 

screwball's original Greasemonkey user scripts:

 

Find them both here.

Direct links here and here.

How-to for Chrome and Firefox...

http://userscripts.o...bout/installing

 

 

and Liraindon's Stylish script I'm using to achieve what you see in the above pic currently, with my own custom background - http://userstyles.org/users/259700

[LPPrince]

Definitely looks better to me that dark. Though Iorveth being there doesn't make a lick of sense.

[jakenou]

Definitely looks better to me that dark. Though Iorveth being there doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

the point being you can use whatever background you want

[MittelBienchen2]

I am waiting for BioWare's new dark theme and will then decide whether I stay with this standard, slightly improved one or whether I will switch to the darker theme.

 

But on the whole I want to feel BioWare, meaning that I want to feel/see/experience what BioWare thinks is best for the BFF (BioWare Forum Frequenters), the BSC (BioWare Scuttlebutters) or however they will be called/are called.

 

For me personally there is no need for a user made adaption which could be anything I like/want. This is boring ...

 

I want to feel BioWare

 

 

[Rusty Sandusky]

I am waiting for BioWare's new dark theme and will then decide whether I stay with this standard, slightly improved one or whether I will switch to the darker theme.
 
But on the whole I want to feel BioWare, meaning that I want to feel/see/experience what BioWare thinks is best for the BFF (BioWare Forum Frequenters), the BSC (BioWare Scuttlebutters) or however they will be called/are called.
 
For me personally there is no need for a user made adaption which could be anything I like/want. This is boring ...
 
I want to feel BioWare

u wot m8?

[MittelBienchen2]

Sorry, if I could not make myself clear ...

 

"I want to feel BioWare" is my new slogan, expressing that I prefer the themes as are and will be chosen and provided by BIoWare (with the input of BFF or BSC taken into account) to any user made adaption which could look like any other forum in the web.

 

Next try for an explanation will be in German

[Br3admax]

Sorry, if I could not make myself clear ...

 

"I want to feel BioWare" is my new slogan, expressing that I prefer the themes as are and will be chosen and provided by BIoWare (with the input of BFF or BSC taken into account) to any user made adaption which could look like any other forum in the web.

 

Next try for an explanation will be in German

This place looks just like every other forum on the web. Now more than ever. Plus here's what I read:

"I want to feel BioWare, is my slogan"

 

1. You want to feel BioWare 

2. With your eyes

3. Since that's inside your body, you want to feel BioWare inside you. 

 

That's weird, m9. 

[schwarzweiss]

I guess she just want to see the site like BioWare made it and it's supposed to be and is not interested in any user made alternatives.

 

But the part about those feelings is a bit weird.

[mybudgee]

Jessica you are single-handedly making me question my boycott of Biower

[OdanUrr]

Sorry, if I could not make myself clear ...
 
"I want to feel BioWare" is my new slogan, (...)

[MittelBienchen2]

I guess she just want to see the site like BioWare made it and it's supposed to be and is not interested in any user made alternatives.

 

[...].

Thanks, that is exactly what I mean

 

But there is more about this slogan "I want to feel BioWare" ...

 

[...]

But the part about those feelings is a bit weird.

Yes, this is in a way by intention. And as I said I will switch to German now to make me more clear (at least for those who can speak German):

 

Es gab mal vor Jahren einen Slogan hier in Deutschland (gibt es noch), der hieß "Sind wir nicht alle ein bisschen Bluna?" Dabei war Bluna der Markenname und Bluna stand hier für Verrücktes, Quirliges, Schräges, was auch immer.

 

Ähnlich ist es bei "I want to feel BioWare". Hier steht BioWare für Innovatives, Kreatives, Außergewöhnliches, Spannendes, Trauriges, was auch immer man mit BioWare und seinen Spielen verbindet. Hinzu kommt, dass ich mich durch die Verwendung der von BioWare ausgesuchten und für die Community erstellten Themes mit BioWare, seinen Mitarbeitern, der Philosophie dahinter verbunden fühle. Außerdem erzeugt zum Beispiel das Hintergrundbild sehr wohl ein Gefühl in mir, so dass der Slogan zumindest für mich passt. Ich fühle mich BioWare, wenn ich hierher komme und das mit den von BioWare eingestellten Themes. Das wäre irgendwie anders, wenn ich es so ändern würde, wie es mir selber gefällt.

 

I hope that at least for some of you I could make me clear now

Sorry for those who cannot speak German ...

[OdanUrr]

Yes, this is in a way by intention. And as I said I will switch to German now to make me more clear (at least for those who can speak German):

 

Es gab mal vor Jahren einen Slogan hier in Deutschland (gibt es noch), der hieß "Sind wir nicht alle ein bisschen Bluna?" Dabei war Bluna der Markenname und Bluna stand hier für Verrücktes, Quirliges, Schräges, was auch immer.

 

Ähnlich ist es bei "I want to feel BioWare". Hier steht BioWare für Innovatives, Kreatives, Außergewöhnliches, Spannendes, Trauriges, was auch immer man mit BioWare und seinen Spielen verbindet. Hinzu kommt, dass ich mich durch die Verwendung der von BioWare ausgesuchten und für die Community erstellten Themes mit BioWare, seinen Mitarbeitern, der Philosophie dahinter verbunden fühle. Außerdem erzeugt zum Beispiel das Hintergrundbild sehr wohl ein Gefühl in mir, so dass der Slogan zumindest für mich passt. Ich fühle mich BioWare, wenn ich hierher komme und das mit den von BioWare eingestellten Themes. Das wäre irgendwie anders, wenn ich es so ändern würde, wie es mir selber gefällt.

 

I hope that at least for some of you I could make me clear now

Sorry for those who cannot speak German ...

 

I thought that was why we had a German forum?

[Zwerkules]

I'm sure if you use Google translate or something similar to translate her post the result will be quite hilarious.

[LPPrince]

Right, bringing this back to the subject, hows it coming along?

[Jessica Merizan]

Jessica you are single-handedly making me question my boycott of Biower

 

Hmm? I'm unclear on what you mean. What I do is making you want to boycott or making you re-consider a previous boycott? 

 

- 

 

To answer previous questions/comments as I recall them.

*No, I didn't "copy" anything. I was stating that there are many other sites out there using light designs. There are a million sites using dark designs. This is what we went with partially based on the survey we conducted, and again, based on feedback, we're working on a darker alternative. The BioWare Blog is also a few years old and we've recently updated bioware.com so you can expect we'll update the blog at some point in the future too. When that happens, I'll keep in mind what I've learned from launching the Forum.
 

*I can completely understand wanting to use a skin/theme that was designed by and released by BioWare as opposed to modding something yourself and the "feelings" that come with that. Modding is totally fine too. To each his/her own. It's definitely something that is difficult to put into words. I speak a little bit of German myself but put the text into Google translate -- I think it came out pretty well for those of you who want to read it - no need to make a separate thread in the Deutsche forum just for this. Anyway, I thought that was really poignant. Your post reminded me of an Apple ad: The Think Different Campaign. 

(I've been learning how to become a producer for the past year+ to do things like lead the development of the Forum, social.bw and other online projects, so among other things, I read the Steve Jobs biography which I found incredibly insightful).

 
I hope that certain aspects of the design are resonating with you. My goal was to use concept art and lithographs instead of in-game screenshots/renders because I wanted a behind-the-scenes feeling and a more raw experience than the finished work you see in our marketing, to tie back to what we want to accomplish in Our Philosophy. For me, when I read MittelBienchen2's post, I understood because even subconsciously, there's a feeling attempting to be conveyed. 

 

Is it perfect? No, most things rarely are. But I'm learning and I have a really amazing team that supports learning and post-launch development, so we'll keep listening to that feedback. (wow was that my first tiniest dev diary? I think so lol). 

 

It's still coming along. We are juggling a few tasks right now, but I assure you, this is a top priority

[LPPrince]

It's still coming along. We are juggling a few tasks right now, but I assure you, this is a top priority

 

Taking your word for it. The patience continues.

[Lance Botelle]

Hi All,

I did some searching and found a temporary solution for IE users, and posted here: http://forum.bioware...solution-found/

Lance.

[schalafi]

It's been a long time to wait for the changes to the "dark theme" we've been promised. How hard is it to change to something similar to the BSN color theme?  I've pretty much had to stop coming here because it hurts my eyes too much, so I know I'm missing a lot of new info about the upcoming game. I hope things change here pretty soon!

[Mystical_Gaming]

First time for me seeing this new bioware forum. I was also wondering about a dark theme. Not keen on bright white. I like the old dark version for sure.