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[Fruitster]

I liked both Mark's and Jen Hales voice acting. I wouldn't want anyone else voicing Shep but Mark and Jennifer. They just did different jobs that both, I believe, delivered nicely. Alot of the criticism levelled at both voice actors seems pretty unfair on the whole. But it's very easy to criticise when you know you'll never have to step up to try and do a better job.

[MutantSpleen]

Jebel Krong wrote...

it's mainly feminist backlash against default shep being a man and then being in all the trailers. it has got nothing really to do with the merits of either voice-actor - hale is very good, but totally wrong for shepard, whilst meer is sometimes flat but infinitely more suited, and some of his renegade lines are excellent.

That's not it. It's that he sounded like he was just phoning his lines in, THAT is the reason.  But to hear people say ignorant things like "Hale is just not right for Shepard" makes me think "What color is the sky in your world?"

For me she is Shepard and her renegade lines put his to shame, and if anyone played through "I Remember Me" with FemShep then they know, that performance blew me away.

[ODST 3]

MutantSpleen wrote...
That's not it. It's that he sounded like he was just phoning his lines in, THAT is the reason.  But to hear people say ignorant things like "Hale is just not right for Shepard" makes me think "What color is the sky in your world?"

No offense, but how is saying "That's not it. It's that he sounded like he was just phoning his lines in" different than "Hale is just not right for Shepard"? Two opinions, one no more valid than the other.

[lokiarchetype]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

it's mainly feminist backlash against default shep being a man and then being in all the trailers. it has got nothing really to do with the merits of either voice-actor - hale is very good, but totally wrong for shepard, whilst meer is sometimes flat but infinitely more suited, and some of his renegade lines are excellent.

That's not it. It's that he sounded like he was just phoning his lines in, THAT is the reason.  But to hear people say ignorant things like "Hale is just not right for Shepard" makes me think "What color is the sky in your world?"

For me she is Shepard and her renegade lines put his to shame, and if anyone played through "I Remember Me" with FemShep then they know, that performance blew me away.

Why is it ignorant for someone to say Hale doesn't fit Shepard, but
okay to say Meer doesn't?  Honestly, it seems like there's a huge
double-standard.

If you're going to rag on Meer, then don't be surprised when people respond by ragging on Hale.
And don't act like it's an offense to reality because it differs from your subjective perceptions. 

I thought Meer's renegade lines were much better, my gf still says the "You know it!" from when he cuts out the comm link.  However, I'm perfectly willing to accept other people thought Hale's was better for how they envisioned Shepard. 
Some people thought Meer was flat, others thought he showed emotional restraint you'd expect from a military officer and thus it fit the character.
Some people thought Hale had more depth of emotion, others thought she was overacting and chewing the scenery.

[ArcanistLibram]

Jennifer Hale is frickin' awesome. No denying that.



But I can understand why they're not marketing FemShep. I don't think it would be a good idea to advertise a game using two different protagonists. Let's face it, people are dumb.



Mark Meer does sound a lot more into it in the Mass Effect 2 trailer. If you look at the launch trailer, I think the more active approach to cutscenes gave him a lot more to work with.

[MutantSpleen]

ODST 3 wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...
That's not it. It's that he sounded like he was just phoning his lines in, THAT is the reason.  But to hear people say ignorant things like "Hale is just not right for Shepard" makes me think "What color is the sky in your world?"

No offense, but how is saying "That's not it. It's that he sounded like he was just phoning his lines in" different than "Hale is just not right for Shepard"? Two opinions, one no more valid than the other.

Well, I'd say there is more of a consensus that his performance fell flat.  Even the people who prefer Male Shepard say he was flat at times. (Most of the time IMO) Many of the people who say Hale wasn't right for Shepard are saying, she is not right because a Female Shepard isn't right.

One is criticizing his performance while the other is just criticizing that the protaganist should not be female.

I apologize if that was not your intention but I have heard this statement before and when you begin your post dismissing it as feminist backlash, I have to wonder.

[masterthehero]

I love female protagonists, but in this case her voice didn't feel quite right. From my observations the general consensus is actually HALF. Half like Hale and half liked Meer, so there was no one actor that delivered a worse performance than the other. I did like my Shepard having a deal of restraint speaking to others, because he represents the first Human Spectre. Can't have him making humans look bad.

[Jebel Krong]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Well, I'd say there is more of a consensus that his performance fell flat.  Even the people who prefer Male Shepard say he was flat at times. (Most of the time IMO) Many of the people who say Hale wasn't right for Shepard are saying, she is not right because a Female Shepard isn't right.

One is criticizing his performance while the other is just criticizing that the protaganist should not be female.

I apologize if that was not your intention but I have heard this statement before and when you begin your post dismissing it as feminist backlash, I have to wonder.

no - hale fell flat a lot more often than meer - especially with renegade delivery lines... i've gotten more gravitas from corpses than her performance there (in other games especially mgs series she has been great). and no there isn't "more of a consensus" on anything, a few posters spam those threads a lot more, is all.

[Naltair]

There is no consensus.



Most people that liked what they, Hale or Meer, did won't post about it they will just keep playing the game.



This forum is not an accurate cross section of the fans, just the more zealous and hard core fans.

[Eradyn]

Hmm...I don't hate Meer. I just always had a preference for Hale's performance over his (and it doesn't hurt that I always play a femShep anyway). I have to say that Meer's performance has certainly improved for ME2.

[smallrit]

I think Hale done an excellent job in ME1, it's a shame we can't see her in the advertising campaign in ME2.



Speaking of which, did Bioware release any pics for FemShep so far??

[Willowhugger]

My take on the voice actors.

Mark Meer's Shepard:  Has the flaw that he always seems to be vaguely sleepy during the matter.  He does have a tendancy to come off as a bit flat and emotional.  However, he also does Renegade "very" well.  He does sharp and inquisitive as well.  His Shepard tends to come off as a simmering collection of anger and suspicion Renegade wise.

I didn't much care for his Paragon.

Hales' Shepard: Very different Renegade but she just doesn't have the range to come off as genuinely menacing.  It's more like someone trying very hard to sound tough but just coming off as vaguely cranky.  It made the Renegade Shepard a very off experience as she's slaughtering people left and right and using her "I haven't had enough coffee" voice.

Her Paragon is great though.

Modifié par Willowhugger, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:06 .

[MutantSpleen]

Hey I don't hate Meer either. I already said he sounded much improved from the first Mass Effect, at least in the trailer. But I genuinely thought his performance was sub par in the first game and to be told by other posters that my criticism of his performance is just a bunch of "feminist backlash" for FemShep not being shown is offensive to say the least.

[Willowhugger]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Hey I don't hate Meer either. I already said he sounded much improved from the first Mass Effect, at least in the trailer. But I genuinely thought his performance was sub par in the first game and to be told by other posters that my criticism of his performance is just a bunch of "feminist backlash" for FemShep not being shown is offensive to say the least.

I agree, there's some room for criticism.  But in general, a lot of the Mark Meer complaints tend to come up in FemmShep posts, so it's not entirely unjustified that some of the ire towards him has been motivated by sour grapes.  I wouldn't say yours is, at all.

[lokiarchetype]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Hey I don't hate Meer either. I already said he sounded much improved from the first Mass Effect, at least in the trailer. But I genuinely thought his performance was sub par in the first game and to be told by other posters that my criticism of his performance is just a bunch of "feminist backlash" for FemShep not being shown is offensive to say the least.

If it's offensive to say the least, what is it to say the most?  I'm sure offensive is the most negative way you can interpret it.

[Rybo Collier]

I like Mark Meer as Shepard, I thought he did an awesome job.

[RogueAI]

I played the female Shephard a few times, and she was god-awful. One moment she would sound calm in a paragon choice, and then all of a sudden become angry with a paragon choice. She was really all over the place. Only people who seem to like her acting better are just angry old men who are mad because there is no female footage. Pretty stupid reason to be upset considering that it had been confirmed a long time ago that there will be a female Shephard.

Jennifer Hale is overrated. I don't know if I can get over her horrible voice acting in the second game...

[Gilded Age]

Mark Meer had a very strong accent in ME1. Not that it was unpleasant or anything, on the contrary, but it was distracting. He also...wasn't very good, imo. I'm not a Hale fan, so I'm not saying this because I love Hale or Fem!Shep or whatever. I actually would prefer to play Sheploo, but I found Meer's voice acting to be utterly painful to listen to.

It does sound like he has improved for the sequel. So, hopefully, ME2 will be a better experience for people who were unmoved by Meer's efforts in ME1.

Modifié par Gilded Age, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:38 .

[Behindyounow]

Femshep sounded too butch to be honest. A woman can sound authoritive without trying to sound like a man.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Behindyounow wrote...

Femshep sounded too butch to be honest. A woman can sound authoritive without trying to sound like a man.

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.

[Behindyounow]

Fine. She didn't sound like a man. More like a woman trying to sound like a man.

[lokiarchetype]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Femshep sounded too butch to be honest. A woman can sound authoritive without trying to sound like a man.

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.

If that's true you must be new to the internet.

...and society.

Also it's kinda funny, because one can interpret what you said to mean that it's ignorant to think a woman can sound authoritative without sounding manly.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Behindyounow wrote...

Fine. She didn't sound like a man. More like a woman trying to sound like a man.

See my earlier post.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

lokiarchetype wrote...
If that's true you must be new to the internet.

...and society.

Also it's kinda funny, because one can interpret what you said to mean that it's ignorant to think a woman can sound authoritative without sounding manly.

Context and hyperbole.

[Valmy]

Behindyounow wrote...

Fine. She didn't sound like a man. More like a woman trying to sound like a man.

...

You must know alot of men with very high pitched voices.