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Or not. Perhaps Bioware was lazy, perhaps not. My issue lies in kouzrah's assumption that all it would have taken was a bit of extra effort. Nothing more. I just think people should avoid casting things as minor tasks when they have no idea what hurdles are involved. I'm not "offended", I just think kouzrah's complaint was a bit presumptive.

 

 

Maybe if enough people like me express the desire to participate in those contests, next time they can pull out extra effort and make it possible in other countries?

 

I wrote "maybe". Where did I make an assumption about the task at hand?

Now about possibility, I've seen contests that didn't have such limitations. I have no idea how they managed to do it, I guess you don't either. I'm just pleading that if possible Bioware try to include more countries in such contests because they might not be aware that they have fans from Romania, Brazil or Switzerland that are very eager to participate. After all everything is a matter of how much you want to invest for an expected result.

 

So I still think I'm not unreasonable asking for more details and still hoping that there might be a solution for next time. We're at the globalization era and to me, a worldwide contest involving only a handful of countries seems a bit outdated. And I still don't understand why you feel the need to judge my complaint presumptive or not. It doesn't change anything about your ability to participate as far as I know. I wish you success for that by the way.


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I wrote "maybe". Where did I make an assumption about the task at hand?
Now about possibility, I've seen contests that didn't have such limitations. I have no idea how they managed to do it, I guess you don't either. I'm just pleading that if possible Bioware try to include more countries in such contests because they might not be aware that they have fans from Romania, Brazil or Switzerland that are very eager to participate. After all everything is a matter of how much you want to invest for an expected result.

So I still think I'm not unreasonable asking for more details and still hoping that there might be a solution for next time. We're at the globalization era and to me, a worldwide contest involving only a handful of countries seems a bit outdated. And I still don't understand why you feel the need to judge my complaint presumptive or not. It doesn't change anything about your ability to participate as far as I know. I wish you success for that by the way.

Thank you. Like I said though, I don't actually think your request for details is unreasonable. It's just that, especially in your first post, you do imply that its a matter of effort, not can or can't. I'm just saying that may not be the case.

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Thank you. Like I said though, I don't actually think your request for details is unreasonable. It's just that, especially in your first post, you do imply that its a matter of effort, not can or can't. I'm just saying that may not be the case.


i really do not get where you got that opinion from...
 

I can't help but ask: WHY?
Is there a reasonable reason where you would limit the participation of Europe to only one country of residence? If the reason is the cost of transportation, it can be arranged. Not especially talking about myself, lots of people outside the UK speak an excellent English. And if you're really looking for an interesting voice and accent, you'd have more chance to find it if you broaden your horizon to more places.

Do I have to move to the UK to participate?


She was asking why, and if, anything could be done so that more people could participate. She was not even saying it was Bioware's lack of effort that is preventing the majority part of Europe from participating, and she was even suggesting that the fans would pay by themselves. Those were suggestions, not accusations.
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i really do not get where you got that opinion from... She was asking why, and if, anything could be done so that more people could participate. She was not even saying it was Bioware's lack of effort that is preventing the majority part of Europe from participating, and she was even suggesting that the fans would pay by themselves. Those were suggestions, not accusations.


Sorry, I was thinking of the first one I responded to.

Gosh, guys! Again, nobody said they were doing it out of spite. I'm just asking for explanations, if possible. Just like me, you have no idea what's going on. Maybe if enough people like me express the desire to participate in those contests, next time they can pull out extra effort and make it possible in other countries?
Now do I have the right to ask for this and express my disappointment or is it too much?

My first response was to say that it might not be something within their power to do in the first place, that it might not be a matter of extra effort fixing anything. I'm not sure why people keep trying to construe it as me denying kouzrah's right to ask for an explanation.

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I think the idea of fans who can pay their own way being able to be in the contest to be absurd. lol. So what about all the fans that can't pay their own way? What if the person who is best and right for the part can't pay?

 

Anyway, I did a bit of research, and found a bit of information as to why, in Quebec at least, this contest is probably not available.

 

(From http://contests.abou...oidinQuebec.htm )

 

 

For example, in order for sponsor to skip the "void in Quebec" restriction, Quebec sweepstakes law requires that the sponsors must do some or all of the following things:

  • Register the sweepstakes rules and all advertisements used to promote the contest with the Quebec government at least 30 days ahead of the sweepstake's launch.
  • Pay a fee of up to 10% of the sweepstakes' value, depending on who is allowed to enter.
  • Agree to allow the government of Quebec to mediate any lawsuits arising from the contest.
  • Follow strict guidelines about the contents of the sweepstakes rules.
  • Allow the Quebec government to determine if the sweepstakes may be changed or canceled once it has started.
  • File a written report after the contest has concluded, attesting that the prizes have been delivered or attempted to be delivered.
  • Agree to follow a number of other rules and guidelines. See the Quebec Sweepstakes Laws.

 

Now, I have no idea what the sweepstake laws are in other countries, but it could be as simple as having strict or stringent laws that are similar to the Quebec restrictions.

 

Here's some more information from (http://www.consumera...ce-issues-.html)

 

 

Issue #5: Compliance With Promotions Laws In Many Countries Is Challenging

 

Even if a marketer jumps over all the other hurdles and believes there is a set of countries in which a particular sweepstakes or contest can be run, it may be very difficult for that marketer to comply with the specific laws regarding sweepstakes and contests in every one of those countries.  Many countries that permit sweepstakes and contests have strict laws regarding the specific disclosures that must be made to consumers, how and where those disclosures must be made (e.g., in Official Rules or in all promotional materials), and what choices the marketer must give to consumers who are entering (e.g., what types of personal information can be shared or what uses the marketer can make of the consumers’ entries).  Moreover, clauses that are common place in Official Rules in the US, such as publicity or liability releases, limitations on liability, and forum selection clauses, are often unenforceable in other countries.  In some countries, marketers could be held liable for the simple act of including such clauses in the Official Rules.

 

And more, from (http://www.bicklaw.com/sweepstakes.htm) which mentions France specifically:

 

 

Since the Internet is accessible worldwide, Internet sweepstakes sponsors may want to limit participation to United States residents only. Alternatively, the sweepstakes must address each country in which someone could access the promotion. The laws and regulations of contests and sweepstakes vary widely from country to country. For instance, certain countries (Belgium, Malaysia, Norway) prohibit sweepstakes altogether, while other countries (including France and Spain) require registration and payment of fees. Limiting contest access can be done through legal notices or computer technology capable of identifying the geographical local of the proposed participant. Additionally, the duration of the contest, and especially the deadline for entries, should be stated in terms of dates and precise times in a specific time zone.

 

Food for thought.


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Food for thought.

 

Thanks for trying to help but I don't think what you quoted applies to what we're talking about. I know sweepstakes are prohibited in France but it's more to prevent gambling games. Usually those contests would mention that you don't have to buy anything to participate to avoid this problem. But it's not even a game of chance here, as the winners are chosen based on their performance. So as far as I know it's a totally different thing.

 

Also you don't have to spent time to do such research. I am asking Bioware for the real reason. I'm not asking for fans to help me guess for a possible explanation. We don't even know if it's a legal problem anyways. I would do the research myself if I wanted to learn more about internet contests in general.



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Thanks for trying to help but I don't think what you quoted applies to what we're talking about. I know sweepstakes are prohibited in France but it's more to prevent gambling games. Usually those contests would mention that you don't have to buy anything to participate to avoid this problem. But it's not even a game of chance here, as the winners are chosen based on their performance. So as far as I know it's a totally different thing.

 

Also you don't have to spent time to do such research. I am asking Bioware for the real reason. I'm not asking for fans to help me guess for a possible explanation. We don't even know if it's a legal problem anyways. I would do the research myself if I wanted to learn more about internet contests in general.

 

In this instance, sweepstakes & contests were used together. Lottery/gambling laws, which is what you're discussing with gambling games, is a different type of law and I wasn't researching those. Then again, I'm not a lawyer so I'm only going off five minutes of internet research. I will, on your suggestion, however, stop trying to help. Good luck!



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I'm 100% with Kouzrah here.

 

But while I'm disappointed to not be able to enter (French here too), this contest is a really nice initiative. Let's hope this idea will be developed in the future in order to allow the participation of a wider geographical zone.



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Can we get someone at Bioware to put in a good word for kouzrah?  Seriously, her voice is certainly enchanting enough for any game's voice acting.  Kinda lame not to even give her a chance.

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I think it's too bad people from Europe can't compete (I'm one myself). I can understand that it would be a lot of work to find out how the contest law would work in each country separately. On the other hand, in Europe Dragon Age is as popular as in America. I can only hope that if there will be a next contest, it will be only for Europe. That would be fair.



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Gosh, guys! Again, nobody said they were doing it out of spite. I'm just asking for explanations, if possible. Just like me, you have no idea what's going on. Maybe if enough people like me express the desire to participate in those contests, next time they can pull out extra effort and make it possible in other countries?

Now do I have the right to ask for this and express my disappointment or is it too much?

 

Well, I'm in Latin America. I've learned to skip the description and go straight to the Terms section. We always get shafted anyway.



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I submitted my audio file early this morning, after the fact realizing I had forgotten to provide my personal information. After realizing my mistake I sent a second email with my information.

 

Does this disqualifies me? The rules state no more than one submission, but the second email was clarifying the first. Do I still have a shot?



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I haven't been able to find an answer to this query anywhere yet. I'm aware we can only enter this contest once, but can our entry e-mail contain our recordings for both characters? Or must we choose only one character for our entry? Any clarification would be really helpful. :)


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When I found this competition I was overjoyed, I've always dreamed of becoming a voice actor, and doing it in my favourite game franchise... and then I read the rules, and my enthusiasm was crushed and replaced with utter disappointment. I don't even get to compete, because of where I live.

This is like that other competition Bioware did ages ago. I don't remember what it was about, but I remember that a huge portion of the fan base was extremely disappointed to not be allowed participation.

I really hope Bioware did all they could to let people from other countries participate, because at least to me, it would have meant the world.


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I don't want to risk the world dealing with my horrendously monotone voice, so I'll pass this time. Very exciting though, good luck to everyone who participates!



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I thought this was a fantastic idea when I first saw it, and can only suggest (with limited data to go on) that they've kept it purely to countries where they have a Bioware studio? It might be purely to keep their liability for travel costs down, rather than having to pay to fly someone a huge distance which - while awesome for the person chosen, and ensuring that cost is no barrier to talent - means they might end up spending more money than they wanted to for the sake of filling a minor character voice.

 

The main thing I think this accomplishes (obviously aside from the tranche of people who will be upset that they can't enter for geographical reasons, which I can absolutely sympathise with) is that it really fleshes out their insistence that they want buy in for this latest Dragon Age game, after having a *ahem* 'mixed' reception to DA II. Opening up one of the voices, however small an NPC part, to the wider gaming public on a talent basis rather than just a random competition basis has flooded Youtube with entries, and I'm sure helped to keep the relevant hashtag in the public eye. It's a very clever piece of positive PR, as well as a really fun opportunity.

 

Having listened to loads of entries on Youtube now, I wonder how many actually read the t & c's though? A lot of people are doing both scripts, with background music and stuff which (if I've read it correctly) would disqualify you? Unless I've misread it, in which case, ho hum :rolleyes:

 

My entry for the Seneschal is here :

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=vnLnutwwEmM

 

Good luck to everyone who enters, and commiserations to those whose country of residence has foiled their plans, on this occasion.



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I posted this in the other Dragon Age Inquisition General forum but I've also enjoyed listening to the submissions here. So I though... eh, why not? Might as well join both threads.

 

 

Hopefully you guys will enjoy the wacky Seneschal and/or the tragic villager. I definitely had fun recording it. ;)


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I thought this was a very cool idea and was about to give it a try for the laughs but then I read the egibility conditions.

Unfortunately, I'm currently a resident of the forsaken land of France and can't participate - I bet I would have done a great Orlesian accent though.

I'll admit I'm very much disappointed, it's like a big party is being thrown here only not every BW gamer is invited :D


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I sent mine in hope I do not sound that bad ^^'

it was a bit of fun even if you don't get in you can always use that time a practice



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This was brought to my attention by a friend who thought my voice would be interesting, especially since my French accent could sound genuine for an Orlesian setting. Unfortunately I'm reading the first line of the contest rule:

 

I can't help but ask: WHY?

Is there a reasonable reason where you would limit the participation of Europe to only one country of residence? If the reason is the cost of transportation, it can be arranged. Not especially talking about myself, lots of people outside the UK speak an excellent English. And if you're really looking for an interesting voice and accent, you'd have more chance to find it if you broaden your horizon to more places. 

 

Do I have to move to the UK to participate?

 

I'm 100% with Kouzrah here.

 

But while I'm disappointed to not be able to enter (French here too), this contest is a really nice initiative. Let's hope this idea will be developed in the future in order to allow the participation of a wider geographical zone.

 

I think it's too bad people from Europe can't compete (I'm one myself). I can understand that it would be a lot of work to find out how the contest law would work in each country separately. On the other hand, in Europe Dragon Age is as popular as in America. I can only hope that if there will be a next contest, it will be only for Europe. That would be fair.

 

I agree. Additionally I also would like to know what the reason was for choosing the countries that are allowed to participate. The ability of speaking fluent Englisch without an accent of a non-English speaking country cannot be the reason as Ireland for example also was excluded ...



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I mentioned in my post above, I reckon that the eligibility is linked to where Bioware actually have studios (or at least, very close to where they have studios),

 

This means that any costs they might incur would be kept down, as they wouldn't need to fly people in from all over the world - which would cost them quite a bit - purely to voice a minor NPC.

 

Not saying the above is absolute truth, or justifying it, but that's my view on why they've done it the way they have.



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Same here.... Not that I thought I had any chance but for the fun and the pleasure to take part in the contest, I wanted to give it a try... until I read the terms :(

Though I must say I was not that much surprised, I was still very disapointed... Even more since I couldn't find why.

Like said before by other French players, I would have given my best for a nice Orlesian accent ^_^

 

And on the fact that it could be restricted to countries/regions where BioWare has studios, I'm sorry but BioWare Montreal is in the Quebec Province - and Quebec is left out of the contest as well.



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And on the fact that it could be restricted to countries/regions where BioWare has studios, I'm sorry but BioWare Montreal is in the Quebec Province - and Quebec is left out of the contest as well.

 

Oh well, there goes my half-baked theory :rolleyes:

 

It'd be nice if someone from BW came out and explained why it was restricted. It's partially soured a really great idea for a lot of people.



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Oh well, there goes my half-baked theory :rolleyes:

 

It'd be nice if someone from BW came out and explained why it was restricted. It's partially soured a really great idea for a lot of people.

 

From Jessica Merizan's tumblr on March 9:

 

 

It is purely for legal reasons. I can’t expand simply because the laws are confusing to me and the particulars vary by country, but ultimately there’s a lot of red tape that would have delayed or prevented the contest all together. We are working with our regional marketing teams to align on more Europe and Asia initiatives <3 And I was just on the phone with our lovely wonderful localization producer Melanie Fleming about translations and cool things we want to do, so no discrimination here. I’m so sorry that’s something people are concerned about. We love all our fans around the globe - Gamescom is personally one of my favorite conventions!!!

 

Edit: Here's the direct link - http://jessicameriza...-fact-that-only



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From Jessica Merizan's tumblr on March 9:

 

 

Edit: Here's the direct link - http://jessicameriza...-fact-that-only

 

Great spot, Ladyinsanity, thanks for posting - nice to have some clarity.

 

I really hope that they do find some way of doing something for the excluded territories in due course. I certainly wouldn't begrudge them some form of contest or promotion specifically excluding UK, US etc.