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I'm more than satisfied with my Marie-free PS2 copy of Persona 4, thank you.

 

At least the Vita will be getting a few gems down the line.

 

I like Marie (because of Persona Q, haven't played Golden), but the worse sin Golden commits is replacing Dave Wittenberg as Teddie. Speaking of replacing VAs, Naoto's voice actor in Q is f*cking horrid. At first I didn't care, but the more she talks the more I hate it.



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Based on what I've seen via preview scenes, Naoto's holds the least resemblance to its original VA.

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I like Marie (because of Persona Q, haven't played Golden), but the worse sin Golden commits is replacing Dave Wittenberg as Teddie. Speaking of replacing VAs, Naoto's voice actor in Q is f*cking horrid. At first I didn't care, but the more she talks the more I hate it.

 

Eh, I don't mind new Teddie. Then again, I'll take anything over Japanese "Kuma".

 

Naoto... I won't get started on.



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the worse sin Golden commits is replacing Dave Wittenberg as Teddie

 

Has the definition of 'sin' been changed to 'making things better'?



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Has the definition of 'sin' been changed to 'making things better'?

Has the definition of "making things better" changed to "worse"?



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Based on what I've seen via preview scenes, Naoto's holds the least resemblance to its original VA.

 

There are glimpses of similarity for sure but it's definitely least favourite change in Q considering that her original voice work was my favourite in P4. It just has a weird rasp to it. Still, I can be thankful that it was changed in the spin offs rather than in Golden so I can still enjoy her performance in the main games. 

 

On the other hand, I didn't mind the changes of Margaret or Theo although Theo's old VA got me all tingly with dat deepness. 

 

Ultimately though, the direction they took Teddie in is enough to overshadow all other voice work in a resolutely negative way. 

 

Has the definition of "making things better" changed to "worse"?

 

No, why would you ask that? Are you beary confused? 

 

 

 (haven't played Golden)

 

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Oh, I see. My condolences. 


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Oh, I see. My condolences. 

I'll get over it. I'll take the less annoying voice acting of the OG release.



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Theo's new voice is the most generic voice in existence and doesn't hold a candle to Travis'. Margaret's new voice actress sounds like she's reading a school report on her own frontal lobotomy, which is even worse in Ultimax.

I obviously miss Naoto's original voice actress a lot. The new one doesn't bother me as much as any other change though - Sam Riegel's Teddie was fine in Persona 4 Golden, because back then it sounded very close to Wittenberg's bear-like mannerisms. Lately it has devolved into awful along with the character itself, to a point where he sounds just as bad as Kuma, which is a sin.

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Theo's new voice is the most generic voice in existence and doesn't hold a candle to Travis'. Margaret's new voice actress sounds like she's reading a school report on her own frontal lobotomy, which is even worse in Ultimax.

I obviously miss Naoto's original voice actress a lot. The new one doesn't bother me as much as any other change though - Sam Riegel's Teddie was fine in Persona 4 Golden, because back then it sounded very close to Wittenberg's bear-like mannerisms. Lately it has devolved into awful along with the character itself, to a point where he sounds just as bad as Kuma, which is a sin.

Oh yeah, Margaret's voice actor is also f*cking horrid. I don't know what it is with Atlus, whatever voice actors they initially have, and inconsistent role reprisals. I have no idea why they couldn't get Dave and Naoto's voice actor back. I'm going to assume Troy is above anything Japanese at this point which is fine because Matthew did a great Kanji.



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Lately it has devolved into awful along with the character itself, to a point where he sounds just as bad as Kuma, which is a sin.

 

This is essentially it. They've flanderised the character and the voice acting has been moulded to fit. I have no doubt that Wittenberg would have drawn the same criticism given the script and direction for Teddie in Q and other assorted spinoffs. 

 

Despite all that though, I don't think it's quite as bad as the JP VA. That's just on a whole nother level. 



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Matt is much better in Q as opposed to the anime, where he did'n't sound like Kanji, which was also partially reflected in the horrible writing.

Speaking of which - Elizabeth MC Glynn's voice for Naoto felt way worse than the new one. The manly voice doesn't do a well enough representation of the kind of character she is at all. She's not struggling with her gender, she's struggling with being a woman in a society of men where she isn't taking seriously, partially because she's a woman but also very young. So she puts on an aristocratic, and well-formulated sophisticated demeanor in order to be taking seriously as a detective. The insistent flailing of Tumblr twats trying to push a transagenda on her character gets really frustrating; as they couldn't have missed the point further if they fires in a completely different direction and the point was in a different country altogether.

In retrospect- Wendee Lee is an awesome change for Fuuka's new voice. Oh and Ken has Labrys voice now which I suppose is fine. Don't really care about him. Like when I talked with simfam, when he beat Persona 3.

Simfam: Who's Ken? ;-)

Me: Some guy, think he was a party member or something.

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**** Ken.

 

I have to wonder how much of it is due to his VA though, lol. 



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Ken is actually the best character. And his change was MUCH appreciated. I knew I wasn't tripping when I thought, "I don't have the urge to hit him in the throat" when he opened his mouth in Q.



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Ken is actually the best character.

 

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"You are a noble child, to bear such a strong light. I shall grant you the grace of God..." Why is Helel so cool!? I better wreck enemies with this guy.


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I have come to the conclusion that Naoto is best waifu.



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I have come to the conclusion that Naoto is best waifu.

Remove "waifu" and you're on the money.

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I think I've said my piece on why Ken is an awful character in P3 & Marie Golden, so I'll just provide some counter thoughts to Astus post here.

This is essentially it. They've flanderised the character and the voice acting has been moulded to fit. I have no doubt that Wittenberg would have drawn the same criticism given the script and direction for Teddie in Q and other assorted spinoffs.

Despite all that though, I don't think it's quite as bad as the JP VA. That's just on a whole nother level.

While there's truth to this, however, voice acting is in large due to performance of the actor and quality of the voice direction. Excellent voice direction can make wonders, see The Last of Us documentary for frame of reference - There you have Troy Baker, talking about how long it took before he finally found the right tone for Joel, without his tendency to resort to his awful melodramatic overacting ala James Sunderland in the Silent Hill Collection.

Heck, Wittenberg might not have been able to save Teddie from the awful caraciture-framing of Q but he's at least still sound like Teddie, I'd wager.

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I don't hate Ken, but I don't care about him either. Same with Marie.



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Hating a character would be a misnomer, as he doesn't exist thus it seems rather obtuse. I can, however, dislike him for being badly written along with Marie.

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I don't hate Ken, I find him as appealing as the void. Whatever atoms that make him up, I offer them my condolences

 

Ken is actually the best character. 

 

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I wonder if Atlus is gonna continue the trend of adding atleast one useless character each game.

 

Who shall it be in P5!



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I have come to the conclusion that Naoto is best waifu.

 

Oh? Thought you were on the Risette train.



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Anyone who doesn't think Yukiko is best P4 girl is terrible though.


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Anyone who doesn't think Yukiko is best P4 girl is terrible though.

 

This is one point we can always agree on!