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Shin Megami Tensei: Persona Discussion Thread (Persona 5 Gameplay is out! Dance All Night releases June 26th in Japan)


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Simple; you meet with a character after school, day ends. Followed by a potential call to meet up on weekend.
P4 has that and more.

So you mean -- Persona 4 offers more ways to spend time with your social links? Persona 3 does have a share of options, though they aren't frequent, they also exist on weekends where you spend time with them, or during the festival later in the game, along with movies as well. Sure, Persona 4 might have more options, I mean if it didn't then something would be wrong. But I'd hardly call them restrictive in Persona 3, at least not outside of the dating aspect. But again, all of those bad things are erased with the female protagonist's story.
 
 
 

Yukiko certainly brings her struggles up. Or in her case, it reflects what happened in the Castle in her SL. Yosuke's sense of escapism is resonated through a variety of SL that he shows up in (only complain I have is seemingly easy way to come over Saki). But then again, it is not simply what they bring to the plot that makes the SL stronger on my part.
 
But you are right that I need to finish the game so that we can talk on an equal footing.

It's the other way around -- The lessons, growth she gains in her social link does not factor in the plot, the only exception would be certain events, but nothing outside of that, that's what I mean.

Yosuke's strongest reason for wanting to catch the killer is because of Saki -- Although, there are indeed underlying feelings of ressentiment, behind all that supposed self-lessness, but it conflicts with each other a lot which is where his dilemma lies. He hasn't quite gotten over her, and a large part of his social link reflects on the difficulty of letting her go, but also on his growth as a friend to the MC. The thing is that a lot of the resolutions can come off as rather off-putting, when in the main plot, the characters act and feel like none of the things they've learned from spending time with Narukami, in the social links, have affected them overall much. Dojima is probably a prime example, as he becomes rather close to the MC, but if one does his social link very early, then his actions in the plot will feel rather odd in comparison to the kind of man he's become by the end of his own social link. Like he's two people or something. CONSPIRACY! The social links are powerful, but if they don't reflect the growth they've conjured up on the characters in the main plot as well, then their impact tends to suffer for it and that I wouldn't want

I will say, however, that there are some social links that change slighlty depending on which parts of the game you choose to do them which is indeed very neat. I like it when it's reactive to your actions.
 

Certainly, which is why I pointed out that it is a major simplification.

Fair enough, then I'll try not to argue too much myself before we have all the cards on the table.

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I would like it if social links can affect the story a bit in P5, but that's probably not gonna happen.



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We're supposedly not getting social links but something else in P5.



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I thought the basic concept of social links will remain, just that the name changes.

 

I also kind of wish social links would have some meaning in the main story. Changing the dialogue a bit wouldn't be bad.


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I'm expecting some sort of reworked character interaction in general, not sure how it will compare to ranking characters SLs.



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I expect more than a name change but how different it will be I got no idea



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I'm expecting some sort of reworked character interaction in general, not sure how it will compare to ranking characters SLs.

 

I expect more than a name change but how different it will be I got no idea

 

Anything that makes SLs feel less like an arbitrary "YOU FEEL MORE ATTACHED TO THIS GUY" score would be welcome.

 

Then again, I'm genuinely curious as to how they would pull that off.



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Anything that makes SLs feel less like an arbitrary "YOU FEEL MORE ATTACHED TO THIS GUY" score would be welcome.

 

Then again, I'm genuinely curious as to how they would pull that off.

 

I'm very interested in what they aim for. If it's better or worse I'll only be able to judge once I get to play the game but until then it got my interest



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I would like it if social links can affect the story a bit in P5, but that's probably not gonna happen.

That is essentially what I was arguing for in my post. Make them feel more reactive. Persona 4 provided something neat
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That is essentially what I was arguing for in my post. Make them feel more reactive. Persona 4 provided something neat

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. Have the growth and development in the social links mean something to the overall story, at least those that are in your party, anyway.

 

Yeah I know, hence why I brought it up again.

 

I agree that Dojima's actions during the story didn't always make sense if you completed his social link. Ofcourse his social link isn't about the case itself, but him and Narukami do become alot closer.

 

Which brings another personal point I thought was a bit odd at times. While its most likely because of gameplay segregation, it sometimes felt a little weird how the IT members only really discuss their problems with Narukami. We ofcourse don't know what happens behind the scenes and one could imagine Chie and Yukiko share alot with each other.

 

But why is only the protagonist capable to solve their problems? Why couldn't Naoto for exemple help out Kanji? Or Chie trying to understand Yosuke, etc.

 

I guess my point is, I wish we had more characters interact with each other during the social links. I actually thought that was one of Marie's highlights during her social link. The IT members all tried to help and showed up every now and then at the start. Or for example during Shu's social link.



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Yeah I know, hence why I brought it up again.

I agree that Dojima's actions during the story didn't always make sense if you completed his social link. Ofcourse his social link isn't about the case itself, but him and Narukami do become alot closer.

Which brings another personal point I thought was a bit odd at times. While its most likely because of gameplay segregation, it sometimes felt a little weird how the IT members only really discuss their problems with Narukami. We ofcourse don't know what happens behind the scenes and one could imagine Chie and Yukiko share alot with each other.

But why is only the protagonist capable to solve their problems? Why couldn't Naoto for exemple help out Kanji? Or Chie trying to understand Yosuke, etc.

I guess my point is, I wish we had more characters interact with each other during the social links. I actually thought that was one of Marie's highlights during her social link. The IT members all tried to help and showed up every now and then at the start. Or for example during Shu's social link.

The problem is that they arbitrarily show up in every parts of her social link, which is dumb, and their odd desire to immediately befriend her, even though she spends every waking moment insulting them. She wreaks of asinine writing. In regards to Dojima, I used him as a prime example because his social link represents that odd disconnection which exists between said social and the overall plot. Dojima opens up to Narukami, but the problem is that kind of development is at best ignored in regards to the events of the plot. It shouldn't be like that, however, it should be the opposite. It's like the world of the social links exist in parrallel dimension to that of the main plot. :/

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So I take it I should save Dojima's SL until much later? Or doesn't it correlate at all with the main plot?

Also gotta love Kanji. Guy is such a goof. Though hopefully the game doesn't solely revolve around making a joke about him being gay / bi.

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So I take it I should save Dojima's SL until much later? Or doesn't it correlate at all with the main plot?

Also gotta love Kanji. Guy is such a goof. Though hopefully the game doesn't solely revolve around making a joke about him being gay / bi.

 

No, finnish Dojima's SL as soon as you can. Same with Nanako.

 

Kanji is great, his SL is one of my favorites in P4. You'll see for yourself ;)


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So I take it I should save Dojima's SL until much later? Or doesn't it correlate at all with the main plot?

Also gotta love Kanji. Guy is such a goof. Though hopefully the game Yosuke's interaction doesn't solely revolve around making a joke about him being gay / bi.

Fixed that for you.


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So I take it I should save Dojima's SL until much later? Or doesn't it correlate at all with the main plot?

Also gotta love Kanji. Guy is such a goof. Though hopefully the game doesn't solely revolve around making a joke about him being gay / bi.

It's solely Yosuke who does that, given that the game goes out of its way to point out that Kanji isn't gay -- It's just Yosuke.

I suggest doing Adachi's social link, but definitely do Dojima's and Nanako's as soon as you can since they are one of the best in the game.. and there's a limited amount of time to do them along with Adachi's.



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Glad to hear it, since it was turning to be rather annoying.

And noted. Yes, Dojima and Nanako have indeed been great thus far and will prioritize Adachi from now on. Been ignoring him for the most part (only rank 2 with him).

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Glad to hear it, since it was turning to be rather annoying.

And noted. Yes, Dojima and Nanako have indeed been great thus far and will prioritize Adachi from now on. Been ignoring him for the most part (only rank 2 with him).

The thing with Adachi though is that you can do most of the first parts of his SL during the evening so it won't get in the way of doing other links. I should also point out that like Persona 3 it is important to maximize your charm and the other collections of "specialities" for sake of the party member's SL's. I suggest prioritizing these links as well, because in Persona 4 Golden, boosting their links will provide very efficient combat boosts.



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Good to hear. I've stumbled upon him during the evenings, but he has always stated he is busy. Bad luck on my part I guess.

And yes, I've noticed. Keeping a certain balance between Status and SL with the party members.

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Good to hear. I've stumbled upon him during the evenings, but he has always stated he is busy. Bad luck on my part I guess.

And yes, I've noticed. Keeping a certain balance between Status and SL with the party members.

Either that means you've done all the rankings you can during the evening, or he won't be available outside of certain dates which is also true. That is mostly the case for the days where he's present during the afternoon, where you'll find him at Junes, btw.


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Nanako got on absolutely amazing SL and I completely adore her


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Nanako got on absolutely amazing SL and I completely adore her

I think everyone can agree on this.

Both hers and Dojima's are recommended to do.


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I think everyone can agree on this.

Both hers and Dojima's are recommended to do.

 

Doing both links at the same time absolutely enhance the experience. They are just too good when together



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The only thing I care about is them tossing in the "RANKU UPP" from Hiimdaisy. They should have done it for P4G, but they have a chance to redeem themselves here.



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Well since this thread doesn't have that much activity, might as well post some minor impressions and stuff.

 

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Well since this thread doesn't have that much activity, might as well post some minor impressions and stuff.

 

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I should slap you for not liking Rise more, but you atleast think she's cute. I approve of everything else though! 


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