Well put. For a game that puts a certain emphasis on you and your team needing to look beneath the surface of situations and people it often amazes me that some folks are willing to take Shadows at sheer face value and not look deeper into what they might represent. I'm looking at you Tumblr.
What would you expect from Tumblr? Didn't they also tried to proof Naoto was some transgender character?
Now this is what I like to see when I open this thread--people posting analyses and sharing their views on characters / topics that the game delve into. Truly, this is something I enjoy to discover on forums; to read through what others have discovered, felt about, etc about stuff that I like, in addition to outright seeing people taking their time to post something substantial (or just anything really), brings a smile on my face. Great work everyone!
And shoot! Chris already wrote about Kanji which I had intended to do as well (though I don't mind, it was a good read), and Milan reserved Rise (looking forward to hear your impressions!).
Well perhaps I could expand on Adachi. I want to incorporate elements on social behavior, philosophical doctrine, in addition to other aspects that are related to him. Though that might take awhile since I'm in the middle of my finals for this study term, but I can see myself writing in the sideline.
Rah I hope you don't mind if I use your post for a jumping off point for when I get around to Yukiko. You covered certain aspects like the caged bird motif pretty well and I just don't have much more to add that wouldn't be repeating what you've already said.
Chie was actually the original romance for me as well, one of the reasons she's next on the list. Kinda feel like she's underrated at times.
Funky student though.
Go ahead! There is plenty more to talk about with Yukiko and I might get around to it at some point but I will never say no to other people discussing best gurl in P4 
What would you expect from Tumblr? Didn't they also tried to proof Naoto was some transgender character?
That's just the thing, they can't really prove it but there's always have someone latching on the Shadow and trying to use that to push the interpretation on her and Kanji.
I MIGHT do one for Yukari. Maybe. Probably.
That's just the thing, they can't really prove it but there's always have someone latching on the Shadow and trying to use that to push the interpretation on her and Kanji.
Tumblr also looooves to crap on Yukari too. I just laugh when I see that crap on tumblr. It's always wrong and ignores in-game stuff to boot.
Now this is what I like to see when I open this thread--people posting analyses and sharing their views on characters / topics that the game delve into. Truly, this is something I enjoy to discover on forums; to read through what others have discovered, felt about, etc about stuff that I like, in addition to outright seeing people taking their time to post something substantial (or just anything really), brings a smile on my face. Great work everyone!
And shoot! Chris already wrote about Kanji which I had intended to do as well (though I don't mind, it was a good read), and Milan reserved Rise (looking forward to hear your impressions!).
Well perhaps I could expand on Adachi. I want to incorporate elements on social behavior, philosophical doctrine, in addition to other aspects that are related to him. Though that might take awhile since I'm in the middle of my finals for this study term, but I can see myself writing in the sideline.
Oh don't let me hold you back! Feel free to write your thoughts about her as well.
I MIGHT do one for Yukari. Maybe. Probably.
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You should write one about.. you know.. in P3 
You should write one about.. you know.. in P3
KEN CAN GO TO HELL
What would you expect from Tumblr? Didn't they also tried to proof Naoto was some transgender character?
Yeah.That's just the thing, they can't really prove it but there's always have someone latching on the Shadow and trying to use that to push the interpretation on her and Kanji.
Tumblr can sure be hilarious. Stumbled not that too long ago on a blog that had all the P3 & P4 cast ranked, with his / her own impressions of them, and boy--the share amount of ignorance and stupidity in that post was just mind-boggling. Gonna try to see if I can scoop it up.
Oh don't let me hold you back! Feel free to write your thoughts about her as well.
Oh, no please do. It's more fun if everyone writes something. 
KEN CAN GO TO HELL
Don't think hell would accept him
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You should write one about.. you know.. in P3
Please refer to the best character in Persona 3 by his full name, Based God Ken. Thanks.
I feel like doing Adachi as well, though I might pick one that people haven't picked next. Like Takaya or Akinari
I think both you and Chewin should each do Adachi since you have access to his chapter in Ultimax(which was the best part of Ultimax) and Chewin would have P4. Would be int interesting to see different POVs too.
Someone should do one on Marie.
Dem intricate poems! Dat tsundere personality!
Well, I promised Chewin I'd do an indepth analysis of Persona 4, but now that everybody has shared their thoughts and feelings in regards to the individual characters, I feel like I want to contribute as well. Grey has already written for Naoto, so I'll save her for another time and talk about Kanji Tatsumi as well.
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Gonna echo on what you brought up regarding people having different interpretations on Kanji and his sexuality (which also goes for Naoto) and how they view them, and is something I would like to expand on.
A lot of people and blogs that I've read seem to indeed feel that both Kanji and Naoto are "missed opportunities" in representing a "complex and nuanced portrayal of a gay man and transgendered woman". Well I won't judge people for harboring such ideas from the get go, since those were my initial thoughts I had myself when I at first was introduced to them, however to me it is made pretty clear that people who still harbor such views after both Kanji's and Naoto's dungeon and Social Links seemingly have an urgency to conform their respective social / political beliefs regarding the issue at hand which stems--as you accurately put--prejudice (which is such a popular debate when it comes to aspects like these in entertainment media).
Still though, this is a part of the game's charm imho, in how it in itself reflects upon the topic of interpretation and functioning as a commentary on gendered expectations. Just as the game has both Kanji and Naoto bring forward the prospect of how societal pressure that forces people to adhere to certain categories, even though reality is much more intricate than that, it is interesting to read impressions of people who harbor different impressions on them both and how it feeds into stereotyped views of the links between gender performance and sexual orientation. Just as you brought forward that people have a need to label Kanji, it does say more about what we, as the players who are experiencing the game think, than it does about what the game tells us.
Just like I immediately labeled Kanji as "the gay character" and Naoto as the "transgender character" in my mind, it isn't different from me labeling the other characters that I met as well; Yosuke as the "typical best friend", Chie as a "hot head", etc. As Dom stated in the page before--the games having the ability to give you a perception of the characters and then turn them in your head. I believe people have an easier time accepting the characters (excluding Kanji and Naoto here) since they can much more easily identify and recognize them as characters and not oversimplify their struggles, since it is something more common. Kanji and Naoto seem to be more difficult for people to perceive, since just like I immediately pictured them related to their sexuality, it makes it easier for people to restrict themselves into binary descriptions / absolutes. People perceive them as their sexualities, and expect them to revolve around that concept. It is easy to get that impressions with both of their dungeons, since it plays with out expectations, yet it is made evidently differently with their SL's which doesn't focus on their sexual orientations but instead an examination on their gender roles.
That is part of the magic of the game, I find. It an interesting take on what the games revolve around, and made even more powerful with how society sees it in the game, and how we see it.
I think both you and Chewin should each do Adachi since you have access to his chapter in Ultimax(which was the best part of Ultimax) and Chewin would have P4. Would be int interesting to see different POVs too.
I also have Ultimax available with Adachi, which I'm gonna tackle after I'm done with Arena story.
But yes, both of us posting impressions would be neat. Though I wouldn't be surprised if ours were rather identical, considering how we seem to share similar views, haha!
Ah nice! All I will say is don't expect much from Persona 4 side of Ultimax(except for Naoto, it's veeeery weak, and Adachi's route does a better job with his moments then P4 route) P3 route is ok, has some problems but sitll enjoyable. The true enjoyment is Adachi-babys route.
Yeah, it is a fighting gamer after all, which heavily revolve around a formula to pitch fighters against each other, but Arena has done a pretty decent job in establishing this in a functional manner. Plus it's fun to view the characters from their perspectives (though I have no clue why they have their initial personas and not their second version at least, considering everyone seem to behave in a way that Narukami experienced and maxed their SL).
Well it is a trivial matter. I'm mostly enjoying it for its fighting mechanics, and having the guys back socializing again is plenty fun.
Design choice.
Probably, that and the first version of everyones Persona get way more screen time and such just become easier to remember for a lot of people. I'm always going to think of Konohana Sakuya before Amaterasu
Probably, that and the first version of everyones Persona get way more screen time and such just become easier to remember for a lot of people. I'm always going to think of Konohana Sakuya before Amaterasu
It's not Brosuke without Disco frog.
All these great posts just reaffirm my love for Persona 3, Persona 4 and the characters therein. I'd like to think that the games have really helped broaden my own perspective on the world and have just gotten me to question things that I wouldn't have before. It encourages you to really open your eyes and view everything with a different lens. Not to take things at face value and to really just examine what is important to you.
Good stuff.
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Someone should do one on Marie.
Dem intricate poems! Dat tsundere personality!
What was that? Beautiful pathos time?
Marie is such a trash character.
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