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[TheChris92]

Now you're talking. Yeah, if it weren't for seeing his more "punny" side, I would have taken him for another Kai Leng. It's a good thing he's looking up a little.

Just watch this trailer and tell me you don't love the laugh at 00:08

[AventuroLegendary]

Despite his generic villain motivations, I love his personality. As a matter of fact, I said the same thing about Adachi.

[TheChris92]

Despite his generic villain motivations, I love his personality. As a matter of fact, I said the same thing about Adachi.

A somewhat common opinion on an otherwise extraordinarly unique villain like Adachi. He has caught a lot of flak for his supposed simplicity. That he did it "for the lulz," is hardly a fitting motivation at first glance. There's a reason for that, though. I think the best word to describe what to think of him would be "ressentiment", which is defined as a philosophical construct wherein one assigns blame and directs hostility to those which he considers superior, creating a scapegoat and avoiding culpability for one's own. Talk about a perfect word to describe Adachi, especially given his boss-fight monologue about only "talent" mattering in the world he wanted to wipe away. It's curious as to whether or not that was how he was to be understood in the original Japanese version, or if it was added in as part of the localization process. If the latter, I applaud that move and respect Atlus' localization teams even more. 

In a way, Adachi acted as the player's "shadow self," a void of a man that acts without conscience or reason. Where the player's talent uplifts those around him, Adachi uses his power to do whatever he likes, just as he became a policeman for want of a gun license and power trip. It's even implied that his assignment to Inaba was an act of punishment for some unrevealed sin, further emphasizing that he was a total dick. 

 

He regains a shred of decency, if you could call it that, via his "true ending" letter, but despite it -- He is pathetic beyond pity. Rather than some mastermind out for conquest or a destructive brute, Adachi's just a guy with a weapon and nothing else to do with it, making him a frightening and compelling villain, an example of what humanity can end up as when they've given up hope.
 

[AventuroLegendary]

I find it great how you mention ressentiment since that word was echoed throughout the game. It isn't the destination or final goal that describes the villain. It's the journey. If the guy wants to end the world/make it "better"/rule it, what are his motivations and methods for doing so? If it's simply "because evil" then it's pretty boring. If it's because he is overwhelmed by self-pity and wants the world to accommodate him rather than the other way around, then it's more fleshed out. Fictional characters are all about reflecting the human condition. That includes depravity.

 

It's the reason why few people consider, let's say, the Joker a boring villain.

[TheChris92]

I find it great how you mention ressentiment since that word was echoed throughout the game. It isn't the destination or final goal that describes the villain. It's the journey. If the guy wants to end the world/make it "better"/rule it, what are his motivations and methods for doing so? If it's simply "because evil" then it's pretty boring. If it's because he is overwhelmed by self-pity and wants the world to accommodate him rather than the other way around, then it's more fleshed out. Fictional characters are all about reflecting the human condition. That includes depravity.

 

It's the reason why few people consider, let's say, the Joker a boring villain.

The Joker has always been written differently -- I think it's safe to say that a lot of people aren't even sure why they like a certain character as much as they do. They usually say "because they are amusing". We have to ask. Why are they amusing? Is it because their way of living, misanthropic disposition and outright inconceivable worldview are so ludicrous that you couldn't put yourself in that person's shoes and thus it's amusing? It's like reading about people in the Middle East referring to women as objects, and Russians telling themselves they have no gay citizens. Is it amusing because if we aren't careful. We could be just like them? I think the answer might be easier than one would think if you sit down and evaluate it.

 

It makes me want to call attention to my reference to real-life of politics in the Third World. If we stop for a second, and put our own ideals aside, we'll see how different we all are and how the difference of the way we think, socially, politically of the world, can give us a basis of understanding human nature -- but most importantly, that the marginal difference between the way of thinking makes it impossible to truly distinquish terms like Good & Evil in this world.

Characters like Adachi & The Joker are examples of this. They aren't beings born out of pure darkness, or saturday morning cartoon villains -- They aren't villains for the sake of "someone had to be the villain". They are written as humans who've lost hope, who've lost their way of living and/or a reason to cherish life like we all do in our very different ways. 

The Joker & Adachi both carry vague backstories that allude to what could be conceived as unfortunate tragedies that has warped their chance at life in the world they live in. The Joker, in the Killing Joke, wants to show Batman and Gotham how inconceivably cruel the world can be to some people. It only takes one "bad day" to drive the sanest person to lunacy, and even the most trivial of circumstances can start a global conflict. It's all a joke to him. And why wouldn't it be? Looking at it from that perspective, the world can be quite the joke. If we consider things for a moment, we might even realize how awfully cruel we humans can be to ourselves, to animals, to the planet we live on, but at the same time how benevolent we can be. It's meant to place a greater understanding on how we can perceive ourselves as the most dangerous being on this planet. It's because we have a moral complex, and we can distinquish right from wrong, unlike the animals, and thus when we commit atrocities, we are doing so of our own accord. And that's the most craziest things of all. It's interesting to think about, anyway.

[Mr.House]

Like Chris said, I just wish he had a more unique appearance. He looks like a redheaded Ichigo. One of my major praises for Adachi was his design. The goofy looking detective worked very well and when he showed his true side and those new portraits and crazy in-game face was shown, it truly showed that this goofball looking guy was in fact a sick psychotic sob. With Sho, the personality is fantastic, but the look is very meh because he's generic looking. I would say in terms of looks, Sho is the most disappointing, more so compared to the past villains.Despite being a boring character, Revolver Jesus has one of the best designs ever. Shirtless hippie Jesus with a revolver? Hell yeah!

[AventuroLegendary]

Careful, now. I never said that explaining a villain will make them more sympathetic or understandable sometimes, it's the contrary and they become more alien. The dissonance of values and our first-world discomfort with them makes for something unsettling and entertaining, especially when put up against the more "human" heroes.

 

I'd like to point out the Orcs of the Lord of the Rings. At first glance, they're inhuman monsters who serve as nothing more than sword-fodder for the heroes. When you look into them, however, they're human in an... inhuman way. They're backstabbers, sadists, murderers, and destroyers of everything you love. They represent what happens when human beings are motivated by fear and hatred (at both Sauron and the Free Peoples), much like what we see in history or even today. You feel like you understand that while, at the same time, are disconnected from them. Even the author had a hard time categorizing them. Compare that to the Darkspawn in Dragon Age (pre-Awakening) who aren't so much human as they are mindless mooks.

 

So, the moral of the story: I think Adachi is a pretty cool guy, Eh kills people and doesn't afraid (or regret) of anything. His personality makes his seemingly simplistic goals more complex.

[TheChris92]

New top 20

 

LOL, Chidori, GTFO.

Naoto > Chie

[Mr.House]

On the plus side, Minako is alot higher, on the downside. WHERE THE **** IS ADACHI AND WHY IS NAOTO BEHIND CHIE

 

Seriously, why is Rise and Chidori on the list? Junpei and Adachi>

[TheChris92]

For some raisin, the Persona 4 Golden Animation will only be 12 episodes -- What does this mean?

 

Also, Ashly Burch is gonna voice a character in Persona Q -- I really hope she'll throw that ridiculous online personality of hers out in a bin when doing recording for it, because I can't really take this casting choice serious at the moment until I've heard it. Borderlands' characters are ridiculous.

[Ozzy]

Disappointed that Troy won't be returning. Too much change! Ah well, at least we'll not be in the P4 era for much longer?

 

Right?
 

RIGHT? 

[Liamv2]

Mara in 6th! I am disappoint. 

[AventuroLegendary]

Tatsuya and Minako are on the list 

 

But why the heck is Chidori on it?

[TheChris92]

Tatsuya and Minako are on the list 

 

But why the heck is Chidori on it?

I know, right?

[Liamv2]

I suppose she was good for Junpei's character development but he's not even in the list which makes no sense.

[Mr.House]

Ashley is most likely voicing Rei in Q.

[Milan92]

While I'm not Junpei's biggest fan, its sad to not see him on the list.

 

Also, Kanji should have been much higher.

[Mr.House]

For some raisin, the Persona 4 Golden Animation will only be 12 episodes -- What does this mean?

 

Ok this makes no sense at all.

 

Heck one TV rescue operation it self has to be one episode. That's six right there.The events after December 3rd would have to also be two episodes, then the stuff with Adachi and their battle int he TV would need to be at least two episodes(one with Adachi, one with Amano) Then the ski trip and Hollowed forest would also have to be two episodes, then you have the true ending events....

 

That's right there twelve episodes, and that's not even taking the other stuff into consideration(teh first two times Yu, Yosuke and CHie enter the TV, three times for Yu and Yosuke). Unless there will be another season with 12 episodes there is no way this can work with 12 episodes at all or they will be skipping ALOT of content and be very rushed

[Liamv2]

I think the multiple seasons idea is the most likely. I've seen people complain about the pacing of the original anime so it would be stupid to have even less episodes.

[TheChris92]

Japan doesn't like the most complex characters, hence why the placed Yosuke on second place.

 

You cannot have a list like this without TEH MAN.

[xAmilli0n]

For some raisin, the Persona 4 Golden Animation will only be 12 episodes -- What does this mean?

 

I personally prefer shorter shows, but man, I have no idea how they'll fit all of Golden into 12 episodes without some major cuts and pacing issues.

[Mr.House]

I personally prefer shorter shows, but man, I have no idea how they'll fit all of Golden into 12 episodes without some major cuts and pacing issues.

They won't be able too at all, more so with all the new Golden stuff. They have to do multiple seasons.

[Liamv2]

With how long the game is you could fill that many episodes before you even reach Kanji.

[Mr.House]

One whole episode of Yu recovering from Yuki's crappy cooking.