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[TheChris92]

Swagakami

[Mr.House]

Yu's expression is too high!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Milan92]

Nooooooooooooo King Moron! D:

[GreyLycanTrope]

It's up?! See you guys in a bit .

[TheChris92]

They got that horribly whacky Shadow World song placed into it -- Ugh. Well, I suppose it was inevitable.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yeah not a fan of the new intro myself.

[TheChris92]

Shadow World is inorganically out of place with the actual tone of Persona 4 and it makes it come off as just a whacky comedy, when it's supposed to be a Murder-mystery story with an upbeat tone to it.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Shadow World is inorganically out of place with the actual tone of Persona 4 and it makes it come off as just a whacky comedy, when it's supposed to be a Murder-mystery story with an upbeat tone to it.

I think it's a decent enough song but you're right about the tone being way off...unless they'll be focusing more on the wacky hijinks in golden days than the murder mystery. Though I don't think that'd be a good call.

[TheChris92]

That's exactly why the anime feels like a bit of a waste -- It's great animation quality though! The thing with Persona 4 Golden was that it still retained what was great about the vanilla game, excluding that Marie bullocks. Shadow World is generic to me -- I find incredibly grating, and it's not a good song if it doesn't fit with the theme and tone it tries to set, which it doesn't -- Had it played in an anime like Ouran High School Club or something then I suppose it might have been fitting.. Here it is just... ugh.

[CrazyRah]

Kinda like Shadow World, it got some pretty decent tunes and it's silly upbeat which always makes it fun to listen to. Couldn't really care that much on how out of place it might be. It's not something that i find myself caring much about when it comes to music in any form. They could probably have found a better place for it but c'est la vie

[TheChris92]

Kinda like Shadow World, it got some pretty decent tunes and it's silly upbeat which always makes it fun to listen to. Couldn't really care that much on how out of place it might be. It's not something that i find myself caring much about when it comes to music in any form. They could probably have found a better place for it but c'est la vie

There's nothing wrong with liking the song, brah -- I'm taking the song into consideration though due to the fact that its lyrics are meant to reflect the game but it doesn't really  do a justified job to represent the game's actual tone. It reminds me of that opening song for Dragon's Dogma, only that song was so incredibly generic that it wasn't just out of place, it was like it was from a different universe.

 

 

 

Whether it's tunes and silly ubeats equals a fun listening is probably too subjective to argue about so that's fair enough. I suppose it also didn't help that I played the vanilla game first before moving on to Golden just to put it out there.

[CrazyRah]

There's nothing wrong with liking the song, brah -- I'm taking the song into consideration though due to the fact that its lyrics are meant to reflect the game but it doesn't really  do a justified job to represent the game's actual tone. It reminds me of that opening song for Dragon's Dogma, only that song was so incredibly generic that it wasn't just out of place, it was like it was from a different universe.

 

 

 

Whether it's tunes and silly ubeats equals a fun listening is probably too subjective to argue about so that's fair enough. I suppose it also didn't help that I played the vanilla game first before moving on to Golden just to put it out there.

 

And since i didn't play the original i don't have the baggage that naturally would be brought into consideration. It would most likely be part of why we both feel quite differently about this one song. Does it fit perfectly for the game? I'd say no.. do i feel it fit better than it seems that other people do? Perhaps but it's nothing that i really plan to spend time thinking about

[TheChris92]

And since i didn't play the original i don't have the baggage that naturally would be brought into consideration. It would most likely be part of why we both feel quite differently about this one song.

I think there's too much void space for any real discussion, when trying to argue musical tastes -- But, yes, I feel the original song managed to be upbeat without avoiding the underlying darker tones of its murder mystery plot and thus it not being in the updated version of Golden was incredibly disappointing because it makes come off as more ridiculous than it really is.
 
 

Does it fit perfectly for the game? I'd say no.. do i feel it fit better than it seems that other people do? Perhaps but it's nothing that i really plan to spend time thinking about

Do you really think so? I'd say there seems to a few peeps who likes it well enough as you do.
Well, that's fine but it won't really stop me from disagreeing though.. very loudly.

[TheChris92]

Have you watched Haruhi? Do its openings and endings (particularly that very famous ending) bother you when the anime/LNs get into some pretty heavy stuff (Haruhi almost destroying and remaking the world, for example)? I wouldn't call it unfitting just because it only emphasizes one aspect of the show over others.

I have not, actually, I haven't watched a lot of anime to be perfectly honest -- It seems a bit unfair to call out that example as a justification for your side of the argument, when they are in no relevant to what we are talking about, I'd say. All Shin Megami Tensei games are heavy, in terms of its narrative tunes, so its to be expected, but taking Golden's Opening into consideration I feel it was completely out of place with its game's central premise. I've played the games so I obviously at least a bit insight to my points -- I also played Persona 3 and the openings of both Portable and the vanilla reflected its dark tone quite nicely, without compromising its theme. It's same thing with game box-arts, while it might not mean much to some people, it's actually quite essentially to how you represent and sell your game.

Persona 4 doesn't need an overly stupid opening sequence with a whacky upbeat song to justify its occasional "all-in--good-fun-comedy". Persona 3 certainly didn't need to do that either. It's not something I feel one should sell a game that tries to be a murder mystery with, unless it's an intentional self-deriding commentary on murder mystery stories which it most certainly is not.

Keep in mind that I'm not trying to put anybody elses opinions down here, but merely trying to establish my position in the matter -- I feel like I have to point this out so people won't read some sort of passive-aggressive implications into my posts.

[TheChris92]

People are free to like the song -- I may not agree but I will defend your right to have that opinion. In the end, what's most important is that we all share a consensus love for the games, then you can differ with your train of thoughts, in terms of who's your favorite character, favorite track or even game. That's all that's really important but it doesn't stop me from utilizing my ability to speak my mind and say what I believe isn't consistent with the game. And of course I'll try to justify it to the best of my own abilities.

[TheChris92]

I can only use examples from what I know. It wouldn't be unfair if you were familiar with Haruhi, so I thought I'd ask. I do think it's relevant for comparison, since its openings and endings are very upbeat and, it could be argued, unfitting. The show does have an upbeat feel, but there are dark elements too, which I alluded to before. I don't think the songs really touch on that aspect of the show at all.

If I were to make a point through frames of reference to someone then it would have to be examples that are closely related to the discussion at hand to warrant it acceptable I'd say. Like Star Wars or Star Trek -- I don't know what this Haruhi is so I can't say if you are right or not, it's a shoot in the dark, and it'll be like me trying to prove a point to you with A Song of Ice and Fire by pointing something similar occuring in a fantasy novel by Joe Ambercrombie simply they are both very shades-of-grey-esque fantasy stories and thus I have to assume you've read it. But I can't so the argument just seems petty, because there's no way for the opposite party to engage themselves in it. You know?
 

But I wouldn't call them unfitting like, say, Narutaru, certainly (the "certainly" is a spoiler).

This is exactly what I'm talking about -- How would I know? Should I take your word for it? Persona 4 deals with some heavy stuff like self-acceptance & self-gratification, gender, sexuality and a murder mystery plot, the opening of Persona 4 Golden does not reflect this at all and I'd like to go into it a bit further but that will have to wait 'till tomorrow because it's night time.
 

I admit without being familiar with both I can't say how close to the mark my comparison is, but I'm willing to keep an open mind on Shadow World being appropriate for the game (in my opinion) for when I eventually do play it, or watch the anime at least.

Exactly.

[TheChris92]

Not really. Neither why you feel the need to be so defensive and call it "petty" when it was an honest question as to whether you were familiar with the show so we could have discussion about the comparison. Nor why you feel like you can't discuss it at all, even though I thought I laid out in pretty simple terms where I'm seeing the similarity, based on what you're telling me your issue with this opening for Persona is. Well, I do kind of get that, but you could have just said that you're not familiar with it, and left it at that.

You posted an OP to the anime you assumed I had watched, then some random scene about somebody dying, and thus making that seemingly a justification to the contrary with Persona -- It's irrelevant to this discussion, because first of all it's not Persona, second of all, I have absolutely no relation to this anime and thus I cannot place any deeper insightinto it or your points. The reason why it seemed petty is because it's like trying to dig out a scene of somebody dying in in another medium, then find a juxtaposing scene and call that sound clarification. Especially considering when you, yourself, admitted that you haven't played the game and thus can't offer any sound insight yourself.

So it just becomes a 1-on-1 match of baseless presumptuousness

And ultimately it's hard to take your comparison seriously for me or even engage in any remote form of discussion as a result of it.

Here's my point of view, summed up -- Persona 4 is more mature than that particular opening makes it out to be. It's colours are ridiculously trippy and weird, its tunes are awkward and doesn't cling with the main soundtrack. It downplays whatever otherwise seemingly mature tones there could have been in the game and thus it is misleading as opposed to any other examples I could ever think up -- There is no comparison here, dude -- The subject at hand is not Haruhi or whatever anime you've seen, it's Persona.

I feel that if anybody is getting defensive here then it's you.

[TheChris92]

Even I haven't watched Narutaru, much less do I assume you have. It's just pretty obvious how unfitting that opening is to the content of the anime itself, from that scene alone, but there are many others you can read about if you want.   I only brought it up as an extreme example of something that's obviously unfitting to contrast the more grey area of what we're actually discussing.
It seems you miss the point of making a comparison if somehow Persona can only be compared to itself.

One can't really make a comparison to something he hasn't seen or played -- Did I not understand you correctly as not having played the game or not? What's the point in your comparison exactly? Because it has upbeat stuff as well as dark stuff, thus it's relevant? How is that in any way justified clarification for discussion? I suppose I could have been more clear on a few more things, regards to what the opening in Golden did wrong, which ultimately painted a misrepresented image of what the game is really like -- Your example didn't seem all relevant due to your own lack of insight into the game, and thus I couldn't really engage in any form of discussion. The same is true for me with your examples. If I don't really have a clear picture of what your anime is about then how is it relevant? So yes, no I had not seen it. I suppose I could have left it at that but your comment came off as a bit presumptuous given your own lack of knowledge to the games, so I didn't exactly want to yield.

[Straw Nihilist]

So... am I the only one that thinks the new intro is awesome? Anyone else? No? Okay.

[TheChris92]

So... am I the only one that thinks the new intro is awesome? Anyone else? No? Okay.

Nah -- scrolling a bit up and you'll see some who liked it. I'm just being very vocal about my disgust for it