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Shin Megami Tensei: Persona Discussion Thread (Persona 5 Gameplay is out! Dance All Night releases June 26th in Japan)


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Interesting.  So many online dislike The Answer.  I'll make sure I eventually get to it then.

Eh I'm not a big fan of one aspect of the Answer, the other aspect though I do love and just shows that SEES is a much stronger group then IT(I love IT but lets be honest, half these characters won't be talking to eachother when they are older)



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I was watching some old P4A tutorial videos....

 

Auto combos? Beginner friendly? Where has this game been all my life?

 

 

Just what I was thinking. Seems a bit too unprofessional for the actual Naoto.

Remember that these Shadows aren't the actual Shadows of their original counterparts -- I'd hazard to say that the line from Shadow Naoto is meant to illustrate the childish outlook that her peers view her.


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Interesting.  So many online dislike The Answer.  I'll make sure I eventually get to it then.

 

Yeah. The "online community" labels it as bad fanfiction, for some reason. I guess I should judge it for myself.

 

 

Remember that these Shadows aren't the actual Shadows of their original counterparts -- I'd hazard to say that the line from Shadow Naoto is meant to illustrate the childish outlook that her peers view her.

 

Er, could you elaborate? Or is that information spoilerific?



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Yeah. The "online community" labels it as bad fanfiction, for some reason. I guess I should judge it for myself.

 

 

 

Er, could you elaborate? Or is that information spoilerific?

 

Have you played Persona 4? If so the answer should be self-explanatory.



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Have you played Persona 4? If so the answer should be self-explanatory.

 

Yeah? 

 

Are you talking about how, in Arena, it's just some Big Bad making crude parodies of the actual people?



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Yeah? 

 

Are you talking about how, in Arena, it's just some Big Bad making crude parodies of the actual people?

No, I'm talking about how the TV World works -- What you see on TV, what appears isn't just affected by the person thrown into it, it's also affected by the subconcious of the Midnight Channel's viewers. Kanji, when he appeared on the Midnight Channel, his shadow took form of an extremely flamboyant guy, with some homosexual undertones. We know for a fact that Kanji isn't gay, but a lot of people think he is because he likes to sew, likes cute things, things that one would relate to women. Shadow Kanji even mentions this. He mentions how people insult & ridicule him for his hobbies and are like "that is so gay" or "what a weirdo" this is why Shadow Kanji has taken this form, partially, but also due to his own insecurity and suppressed emotions.

 

Shadow Naoto is the same -- Her collegues always perceive her as a child and thus her Shadow acts like this exactly because she can never be taken seriously as a detective, even if she was male, her age still doesn't score her any points. That's all there really is to it.



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There's a difference between fake shadows or shadows that where created by alternative means(P2 and Ulitmax) and real shadows which turn into the persons persona(P4/arena)

 

 

A persons real shadow CAN not use a persona at all as only a ego or person with a heart can have a persona(hence why Teddie, Aigis and Laby can use one despite not being truly human). Answer, P4 and Arena state this. Fake shadows(P2 IS) and shadows created by a means(P2 EP and Ulitmax) don't follow this rule ala they can use a persona and while they have the shadow personality, they are also a bit different. as they are not suppressed like a real shadow, there's also the fact that the fake ones exists outside the midnight channel and how it works(creating what people want to see) Another reason they act differently from the real shadows.



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But as for Shadow shown in that screenshot -- It's not her actual shadow.



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But as for Shadow shown in that screenshot -- It's not her actual shadow.

Indeed, this shadow Naoto was created by Sho or something else for a reason.



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I don't think it's one or the other. It's mostly about other preconceptions about said character AND the suppressed emotions the character actually holds. Hence why we have the whole "You're not me" business.



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It most likely is -- As shown in the trailer here 0:15

 



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I don't think it's one or the other. It's mostly about other preconceptions about said character AND the suppressed emotions the character actually holds. Hence why we have the whole "You're not me" business.

It is how it is -- Izanami specifically says this is how the TV world works. The Shadow reflect partially by the preconcept notions of how people perceive the said person, and also partially the suppressed negative emotions, not to mention things you don't wanna become (not necessarily things you are)



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Another example would be Namatame's "supposed-fake-shadow" appearing when they are about to hurl him inside the TV.



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Another example would be Namatame's "supposed-fake-shadow" appearing when they are about to hurl him inside the TV.

 

His shadow was that and the combined messiah complex, last I checked.



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His shadow was that and the combined messiah complex, last I checked.

No, the point was that the game specifically says that Namatame's Shadow on the TV was a manifestation created by the strong emotions of the IT. That is to say -- It relates to the fact that the Shadows appearance and personality is partially based on the perception of the Midnight Channel's viewers, the collective unconciousness/sea of souls.



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No, the point was that the game specifically says that Namatame's Shadow on the TV was a manifestation created by the strong emotions of the IT. That is to say -- It relates to the fact that the Shadows appearance and personality is partially based on the perception of the Midnight Channel's viewers, the collective unconciousness/sea of souls.

 

I confused that shadow with the pseudo-shadow he turns into in the actual boss fight.



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Phoenix Featherman!

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What's JYB doing there!?


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He ain't no Black Ranger noo moo

 

Also

 

Majeh116: atlus do u have any idea if u are gonna be releaseing character trailers for the cast like japan is?
 
 Atlususa: Matador DLC
Majeh116: since the eneglish website implies you are
Crimsonmk3: It's the same, just with lyrics
Waytothedawn: ^
Emp_black_guyhonda: Ken army getting bopped
Phones01: raptor jesus DLC
Kanzuki: Mara DLC 
 
 Atlususa: yeah, we gotta get 'em in english first
Dobywulf: Samurai DLC
Phones01: *revolver
Emp_black_guyhonda: Matador with those 2 frame overheads, OP
Majeh116: got it thx
Darkshini013: ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ
Waytothedawn: Solid Snake DLC pls 
 
 Atlususa: I think we got them approved, so maybe next week?Majeh116: atlus do u have any idea if u are gonna be releaseing character trailers for the cast like japan is?
 
 Atlususa: Matador DLC
Majeh116: since the eneglish website implies you are
Crimsonmk3: It's the same, just with lyrics
Waytothedawn: ^
Emp_black_guyhonda: Ken army getting bopped
Phones01: raptor jesus DLC
Kanzuki: Mara DLC 
 
 Atlususa: yeah, we gotta get 'em in english first
Dobywulf: Samurai DLC
Phones01: *revolver
Emp_black_guyhonda: Matador with those 2 frame overheads, OP
Majeh116: got it thx
Darkshini013: ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ
Waytothedawn: Solid Snake DLC pls 
 
 Atlususa: I think we got them approved, so maybe next week?

 

 

**** yeah!



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Yay!



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ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ RIOT ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ



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I don't know if this was already posted. If it was, it's worth a repost!

 



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Welp, looks like Marie is P4U's second DLC character.



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No, no, that's not true! That's imposssssible!



#1175
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Look it's Chris's new main!